The Syndicate

Why aren’t you convinced Funnygirl is town?

Her avatar is Shiro “cook all the things” Emiya.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 4:54 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 4:49 pmi like ties

Do you have reads on players yet?

that's a noooo

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 4:55 pm Why aren’t you convinced Funnygirl is town?

Her avatar is Shiro “cook all the things” Emiya.

MafiaMenace did nothing substantial in his time here, and the most impressive thing funnygurl has done is read ~60 pages after subbing in, which doesn't really tell me anything about her alignment.

hey sorry for dropping off. irl's been a little rough, and currently i'm at college reunions so i'm busy.

bc of all of this, my vote's going to stay on ddl. idk if i can offer more things of substance before eod, but i'm hoping i can coast on what i've done last day phase

i see that creature is a wagon too, but i don't think i have enough on them to vote (iirc dyslexicon is the replacement yes?)

sorry guys, i'll be more active soon. i'm also very tired.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 5:11 pm hey sorry for dropping off. irl's been a little rough, and currently i'm at college reunions so i'm busy.

bc of all of this, my vote's going to stay on ddl. idk if i can offer more things of substance before eod, but i'm hoping i can coast on what i've done last day phase

i see that creature is a wagon too, but i don't think i have enough on them to vote (iirc dyslexicon is the replacement yes?)

sorry guys, i'll be more active soon. i'm also very tired.

I can see this as a move to save dyslexicon right now.

Nobody wants to break the tie.

I strongly prefer Dyslexicon among the existing trains. I could entertain a funnygurl wagon.

Right. I'm ready to be lynched. I think Jack and Funnygirl are the two reactions I've seen to me/creature that makes the least sense or stands out the most. You can look at that in retrospect though. Good luck, guys.

LC looks actively town to me. And I'm guessing Sloonmeister and Mac are probably town too.

Whatvif I were to yell CFD sloonei really loudly?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:12 pm Right. I'm ready to be lynched. I think Jack and Funnygirl are the two reactions I've seen to me/creature that makes the least sense or stands out the most. You can look at that in retrospect though. Good luck, guys.

LC looks actively town to me. And I'm guessing Sloonmeister and Mac are probably town too.

What don't you like about Jack?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:24 pm Whatvif I were to yell CFD sloonei really loudly?

You might damage some eardrums.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:24 pm Whatvif I were to yell CFD sloonei really loudly?

You might damage some eardrums.

Well you can't stop me.

EVERYONE LET'S KILL SLOONEI. HE DOESN'T LIKE PUPPIES.

As an official Active Town Member, I would not be interested in a Sloonei lynch.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:24 pm Whatvif I were to yell CFD sloonei really loudly?

You might damage some eardrums.

Well you can't stop me.

EVERYONE LET'S KILL SLOONEI. HE DOESN'T LIKE PUPPIES.

I can tolerate suspicion, but this is an accusation I will not stand for.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:27 pm As an official Active Town Member, I would not be interested in a Sloonei lynch.

Who would your second choice be after Colin?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:25 pmWhat don't you like about Jack?

I think he knows I'm not scum, or at least that I'm not green team scum.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:25 pmWhat don't you like about Jack?

I think he knows I'm not scum, or at least that I'm not green team scum.

Why? And what option is there besides Green Team Scum now?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:24 pm Whatvif I were to yell CFD sloonei really loudly?

You might damage some eardrums.

Well you can't stop me.

EVERYONE LET'S KILL SLOONEI. HE DOESN'T LIKE PUPPIES.

I can tolerate suspicion, but this is an accusation I will not stand for.

Well... You don't need to get up. Stay seated my friend. Make sure to die horribly

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:24 pm Whatvif I were to yell CFD sloonei really loudly?

You might damage some eardrums.

Well you can't stop me.

EVERYONE LET'S KILL SLOONEI. HE DOESN'T LIKE PUPPIES.

I can tolerate suspicion, but this is an accusation I will not stand for.

Well... You don't need to get up. Stay seated my friend. Make sure to die horribly

Do you intend to keep your vote on me even if there is absolutely no chance that anyone else will follow?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 4:18 pm Why are you voting on teammate basis when Dizzy hasn't even flipped?

Are you not reading the thread on purpose?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 4:18 pm Why are you voting on teammate basis when Dizzy hasn't even flipped?

Are you not reading the thread on purpose?

Can you give us a more detailed version of the thoughts you’ve already expressed? I’m still not sure why I should assume that Dyslexicon is unlynchable, and I’m also not sure I buy Jack as the most likely partner. Why did you pick him over funnygurl, colin, epi, wilgy, etc.?

No, Sloonei, I can't give a detailed explanation of the reads I've given.

You have been in this site for 5 years, you should know how these types of games work already.

Sorry for being rude, but I'm tired of people asking me to break the rules over and over.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:46 pm No, Sloonei, I can't give a detailed explanation of the reads I've given.

You have been in this site for 5 years, you should know how these types of games work already.

You can’t tell me why Jack has your vote instead of funnygurl?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:46 pm Sorry for being rude, but I'm tired of people asking me to break the rules over and over.

I am in no way asking you to do anything that comes close to a rules violation.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:47 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:46 pm No, Sloonei, I can't give a detailed explanation of the reads I've given.

You have been in this site for 5 years, you should know how these types of games work already.

You can’t tell me why Jack has your vote instead of funnygurl?

Because, as I noted, Creature has flat out avoided reading Jack, and when he did, it was a weaksauce town read.

It's not a strong case but it was the most pingy interaction I saw in Creature's iso.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:50 pm It's not a strong case but it was the most pingy interaction I saw in Creature's iso.

Did any others ping you in any way?

Not really.

Well I guess the way he was flip-flopping on Epi was fishy. But that could say more about Creature than Epi.

Looking at Jack's ISO, he mostly talks about Creature regarding meta, saying he can be both civ or bad at times, based on his post count. At one point he posts a 5 person salad about who is bad and includes Creature on it.

Do you know who also posted a 5 person salad that had Jack on it? Creature.

Yeah I could lynch here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:03 pm Looking at Jack's ISO, he mostly talks about Creature regarding meta, saying he can be both civ or bad at times, based on his post count. At one point he posts a 5 person salad about who is bad and includes Creature on it.

Do you know who also posted a 5 person salad that had Jack on it? Creature.

Yeah I could lynch here.

You make my head hurt but I think you’re town.

I'm caught up, but I don't have anything to add, I'm afraid.

funnygurl's most recent post pinged me, so I'm taking a closer look at Creature's interactions with that player slot to see how it looks:

Early posts are sort of aimlessly combative: Shortly after he piggybacks on another suspicion against MafiaMenace:

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:44 am Epi and MafiaMenace ping me.

Me too.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:41 am

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:38 am Damn those classes bore me to the bone

What thoughts do you have on the game so far? Do any individual players stand out to you at all?

Yes, Epi and MafiaMenace.

He never explained why. Later, though, he said this:

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:36 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:33 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:31 pm though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

When I responded that the "someone" he's talking about is MafiaMenace, he did not respond. The only other interaction is a lazy prod:

Creature wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:14 am

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:14 pm luxurious is scum

nutella is neutral
epi is neutral +1
ultra is neutral
creature is neutral -1

juliets is probably town


change my mind

Why is juliets probably town?

When the funnygal arrives, Creature says this:

Creature wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:20 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 2:07 am hey guys, what's up. subbin in for maf men as you know

Oh, your slot is scum then

If these two are partners, Creature went for a soft distancing tactic. He gives MafiaMenace very half-hearted jabs for most of the game which go nowhere. To be fair, I suggested the same thing as a general accusation against Creature earlier in the game, but the interactions with MafiaMenace stood out to be me the strongest in my initial ISO several days ago.

I was particularly struck by the early progression: Creature prods MafiaMenace in two completely innocuous posts and then quietly plants a suspicion on him. He later expresses some suspicion against an unnamed player who would turn out to be MafiaMenace, but he'd previously expressed a suspicion against him for seemingly different reasons, and when this issue was called to his attention he never touched it again.

At the very least, these interactions confirm that Creature's reads were not genuine. His progression on MafiaMenace seems extremely cherrypicked and unnatural. Whether or not that's an indication of a partnership between them, I can't really say. If Creature was Ra's, I have to wonder if he'd want to push his teammate so far away from the beginning.

I'll take a look at the other side of these interactions next.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:27 pm As an official Active Town Member, I would not be interested in a Sloonei lynch.

Who would your second choice be after Colin?

I am digging DDL's detective work a lot right now, what are the reasons to townread Jack?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:27 pm As an official Active Town Member, I would not be interested in a Sloonei lynch.

Who would your second choice be after Colin?

I am digging DDL's detective work a lot right now, what are the reasons to townread Jack?

General effort and tone. When I look at his posts, I feel like I see a person who is trying to catch bad guys.

I also see his Creature interactions in a different light than DDL does. Jack is the only player Creature knew coming into this game. Their interactions are casual and friendly, and to me look more like Creature was trying to get on Jack's good side in the thread.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:48 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:12 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:45 pm

I am here!

Welcome back. What is your first impression of Ultra?

holy shit we're allowed to read people on day 0?

What would be the point of a day 0 otherwise?

greeting, introduction, etc.
no other place i play on has a day 0

Nothin'. If I go into a tunnel, I can be unnerved by the lack of aggression from MafiaMenace here. Creature has poked him twice for absolutely nothing and MafiaMenace has hardly reacted. But I don't know if that's actually a problem.

Creature doesn't come up again until this salad-esque list of reads:

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:14 pm luxurious is scum

nutella is neutral
epi is neutral +1
ultra is neutral
creature is neutral -1

juliets is probably town


change my mind

I should have asked why these six players were highlighted for reads, especially when two of them are nothing more than "neutral". Creature gets a "neutral -1", which I assume means "slight scum read". Interesting. Creature had expressed his suspicion against MafiaMenace a couple of times by now, but he's not responded in any way, yet he proclaims a slight suspicion here. When Creature asked him to explain just the juliets read, MafiaMenace responded simply with "innocent actions". I see no evidence of a "neutral -1" read here. There were several opportunities for these two to engage more seriously than they did, but the interactions that exist are painfully minimal.

Then funnygurl showed up. She responded to his initial lazy jab with a pretty uninspiring reply:

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 11:49 pm i'm gonna finally read this game (i was super tired last night, and then slept the whole day... i think i took too many sleeping pills)

yeet yeet time to get some WOLVES

also @jackofhearts will do

@creature actually, no. and i hope i can show you why

Nothin'. Still no real engagement between these two player slots. They just keep waving to each other and acting like they're not friends.

I asked her to produce a read on Creature:

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:20 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:18 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:16 pm o BOI half an hour

Gimme your QuikThoughts on all the existing wagons.

i approve of both

If I asked you to produce a reason to town read each of nutella and DDL, what would you give me?
What are your thoughts on Creature?

for nutella, meta? idk people have been saying that this is how she plays, or that she would do more if she were scum
ddl, him trying to still get creature lynched instead of going for nutella to self-pres

creature's null. think he's the one dude i couldn't get a read on after reading

She failed.

The final two mentions are the most damning, I think. First:

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 4:38 pm yeah, dyslexicon doesn't look townie, but a rule for me is to not lynch someone the first day they arrive, so i'm not gonna join that wagon

still think ddl is wolfy though. think that guy's gotta go. even his sod d4 play was sketchy

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 5:11 pm hey sorry for dropping off. irl's been a little rough, and currently i'm at college reunions so i'm busy.

bc of all of this, my vote's going to stay on ddl. idk if i can offer more things of substance before eod, but i'm hoping i can coast on what i've done last day phase

i see that creature is a wagon too, but i don't think i have enough on them to vote (iirc dyslexicon is the replacement yes?)

sorry guys, i'll be more active soon. i'm also very tired.

funnygurl has mentioned Dyslexicon twice today, and on each occasion she has provided a different (contrasting) excuse not to vote for the player slot. She had initially conceded that Dyslexicon "doesn't look townie" but claimed to have a policy against lynching replacements on their first day. Later, there is simply "not enough to vote" for that wagon. I was on the fence until these two posts. I now feel like I can genuinely see a connection.

It's also worth noting that Dyslexicon's vote is currently on funnygurl. Given the way this day has gone, Dizzy seems pretty set to be lynched and isn't doing much to resist that. A vote on hypothetical-teammate-funnygurl means zilch.

does anyone feel like playing mafia?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:27 pm As an official Active Town Member, I would not be interested in a Sloonei lynch.

Who would your second choice be after Colin?

I am digging DDL's detective work a lot right now, what are the reasons to townread Jack?

General effort and tone. When I look at his posts, I feel like I see a person who is trying to catch bad guys.

I also see his Creature interactions in a different light than DDL does. Jack is the only player Creature knew coming into this game. Their interactions are casual and friendly, and to me look more like Creature was trying to get on Jack's good side in the thread.

Yeah, I'm not really blown away by the interactions either.

Jack, if he's in the League, could have genuinely hunted the other team. He could genuinely hunt Deathstroke.

I can buy what Sloonei is selling, even though I really really liked Funnygirl's quick catchup posts. Does Funnygirl just tend to WIM? Who has played with her before?

Linki: DDL's thoughts on me are nonsense. They don't compute. But scum DDL doesn't do that....often. No, I don't think he does in this scenario.

What else you got?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 9:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 8:27 pm As an official Active Town Member, I would not be interested in a Sloonei lynch.

Who would your second choice be after Colin?

I am digging DDL's detective work a lot right now, what are the reasons to townread Jack?

General effort and tone. When I look at his posts, I feel like I see a person who is trying to catch bad guys.

I also see his Creature interactions in a different light than DDL does. Jack is the only player Creature knew coming into this game. Their interactions are casual and friendly, and to me look more like Creature was trying to get on Jack's good side in the thread.

Yeah, I'm not really blown away by the interactions either.

Jack, if he's in the League, could have genuinely hunted the other team. He could genuinely hunt Deathstroke.

Why does Colin have your vote over everyone else right now?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:33 pm I can buy what Sloonei is selling, even though I really really liked Funnygirl's quick catchup posts. Does Funnygirl just tend to WIM? Who has played with her before?

Linki: DDL's thoughts on me are nonsense. They don't compute. But scum DDL doesn't do that....often. No, I don't think he does in this scenario.

What else you got?

If funnygurl is scum the best way to earn town cred would be to put in a ton of work to get caught up. “Putting in work” is not alignment indicative, as both town and scum need to give effort if they want to win. She was very vocal about her efforts as well, which the cynical side of me wants to argue was done in order to draw attention to her valiant effort. I don’t feel like the reads she has produced are nearly as impressive as the work she put in to get to them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:33 pmWhy does Colin have your vote over everyone else right now?

Belief that DDL's detective work on him is accurate.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:33 pmWhy does Colin have your vote over everyone else right now?

Belief that DDL's detective work on him is accurate.

Which specific points appeal to you?

I'll bite

Votes funnygirl

I think its the sixth vote I make this day but whatever

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:33 pmWhy does Colin have your vote over everyone else right now?

Belief that DDL's detective work on him is accurate.

Really? Cuz the Colin thing barely counts as detective work, it was just me wanting to test a theory from Mac.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 10:47 pm I'll bite

Votes funnygirl

I think its the sixth vote I make this day but whatever

Why?

And deciding Colin doesn't look amazing overall, I guess.