Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Sloonei]

Luke

You command the Brotherhood outpost located at the NCR capital city. You're regarded with some suspicion by the locals who don't understand the importance of the Brotherhood mission.

You're a 2-shot messenger. One of your chief duties is to keep the Brotherhood command to the south appraised of NCR social and technological development. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may craft a personal message to be sent to a player you select through the host. The message can be anything.

Separately, you are a 1-shot faction spy. You keep a close eye on the NCR Rangers and their conflict with the Slavers to aid in your own mission. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player has ever targeted the Slaver during any previous night phase.

I do not nee how Chop could use this role to determine Alison's alignment. I assume he cannot target dead players.

[Gavial]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

[Sloonei]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I don't consider Chop to be a driving force behind the pressure on me. He put a vote on me but has said approximately 0 words about me all game.

[Grogu]

wait is one of the load-bearing arguments that he couldn't be a certain role because his actions aren't in alignment with that role's win condition?

No the load-bearing argument is that Falcon cannot be what he claims to be because it is mechanically impossible for him to get the night result he claims to have with any investigative role.

Did you kill falcon??

No. The host did.

Just I know but did you submit the kill I mean, don’t be smart now.

The kill was not submitted by anyone. We aren't allowed to discuss why it happened; it was a modkill made for something outside the boundaries of the game.

Oh I’m sorry. I won’t talk about it

[Gavial]

I’m kinda hoping Alison is slaver so people open their eyes and realize Tony is scum.
Like if Alison flips Slaver if people can’t realize they have been signalling to Tony they are like brain dead.

[Grogu]

I am not the Slaver. Falcon is full of shit.

We will see about that tonight.

You can check this?

[Alison]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I don't consider Chop to be a driving force behind the pressure on me. He put a vote on me but has said approximately 0 words about me all game.

I think Chop is scum.

If Chop is scum and he is voting you then pushing Sloonei is scum agenda.

If the scum team's plan is to push you then I doubt they sent Chop and Chop alone to do their work.

[Sloonei]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

[Gavial]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I don't consider Chop to be a driving force behind the pressure on me. He put a vote on me but has said approximately 0 words about me all game.

That’s correct, you’ve never been my centre of attention.
That’s been Tony’s job half this game for some reason.

[Sloonei]

@Grogu move your vote please.

[Gavial]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?

[Grogu]

Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.

I want to believe this. I’ll vote the other guy and wait for tomorrow. Good luck chop

[Sloonei]

That’s correct, you’ve never been my centre of attention.
That’s been Tony’s job half this game for some reason.

Mind sharing this part with us?

[Sloonei]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?

Nope.

[KZA]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?

Why is that an issue/wolf-motived

[Alison]

Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.

I want to believe this. I’ll vote the other guy and wait for tomorrow. Good luck chop

You shouldn't. It's mechanically impossible for his claimed role to give mech info about me or Falcon.

[Sloonei]

Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.

I want to believe this. I’ll vote the other guy and wait for tomorrow. Good luck chop

This is the role Chop claims to have:

Luke

You command the Brotherhood outpost located at the NCR capital city. You're regarded with some suspicion by the locals who don't understand the importance of the Brotherhood mission.

You're a 2-shot messenger. One of your chief duties is to keep the Brotherhood command to the south appraised of NCR social and technological development. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may craft a personal message to be sent to a player you select through the host. The message can be anything.

Separately, you are a 1-shot faction spy. You keep a close eye on the NCR Rangers and their conflict with the Slavers to aid in your own mission. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player has ever targeted the Slaver during any previous night phase.

His alleged plan to resolve Alison, if he's telling the truth, was to use the "faction spy" shot on Falcon. Falcon is now dead. Presumably this means Chop cannot use that shot anymore. This will change if that ability is able to target dead players, but that feels unprecedented in very un-JJJ.

[Gavial]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?

Nope.

So you think that’s a normal reaction?

[KZA]

I've actually had a host allow targeting of dead players before but I'm guessing that's very not standard lol

It doesn't really matter anyway since the scum literally have to resolve Alison if they want to win

[Gavial]

Ok, look at the way he started tunneling me Day 1.
What do you think about it?

[Sloonei]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?

Nope.

So you think that’s a normal reaction?

I do not think it's unusual or indicative of an alignment. Votes do not matter until the end of the day.

[Marmot]

What in the world is happening?

[Gavial]

Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.

I want to believe this. I’ll vote the other guy and wait for tomorrow. Good luck chop

You shouldn't. It's mechanically impossible for his claimed role to give mech info about me or Falcon.

Yeah because Faction Spy is the equivalent to a Town Visitor right?

[Gavial]

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?

Nope.

So you think that’s a normal reaction?

I do not think it's unusual or indicative of an alignment. Votes do not matter until the end of the day.

Well I mean their vote on me was for the entire day soooo.

[Sloonei]

Ok, look at the way he started tunneling me Day 1.
What do you think about it?

Again, nothing too unusual. It is not town-indicative, but I would not call it a reason for suspicion either.

How is his "tunneling" any different from yours?

[Sloonei]

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?

Nope.

So you think that’s a normal reaction?

I do not think it's unusual or indicative of an alignment. Votes do not matter until the end of the day.

Well I mean their vote on me was for the entire day soooo.

I do not understand what you are saying.

[Gavial]

That’s correct, you’ve never been my centre of attention.
That’s been Tony’s job half this game for some reason.

Mind sharing this part with us?

Yeah he decided to do his fake tunnel shit on me and is bagging me for attention.

[Alison]

Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.

I want to believe this. I’ll vote the other guy and wait for tomorrow. Good luck chop

You shouldn't. It's mechanically impossible for his claimed role to give mech info about me or Falcon.

Yeah because Faction Spy is the equivalent to a Town Visitor right?

Falcon is dead.

Who are you using your spy on?

[Gavial]

Ok, look at the way he started tunneling me Day 1.
What do you think about it?

Again, nothing too unusual. It is not town-indicative, but I would not call it a reason for suspicion either.

How is his "tunneling" any different from yours?

Because unlike them I have a more valid reason to start it.

[Gavial]

And it isn’t fake.

[Gavial]

Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.

I want to believe this. I’ll vote the other guy and wait for tomorrow. Good luck chop

You shouldn't. It's mechanically impossible for his claimed role to give mech info about me or Falcon.

Yeah because Faction Spy is the equivalent to a Town Visitor right?

Falcon is dead.

Who are you using your spy on?

He’s voting you.

[Gavial]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I don't consider Chop to be a driving force behind the pressure on me. He put a vote on me but has said approximately 0 words about me all game.

I think Chop is scum.

If Chop is scum and he is voting you then pushing Sloonei is scum agenda.

If the scum team's plan is to push you then I doubt they sent Chop and Chop alone to do their work.

What if all my voters are scum and I’m just insulting them in scum chat.

[Sloonei]

Ok, look at the way he started tunneling me Day 1.
What do you think about it?

Again, nothing too unusual. It is not town-indicative, but I would not call it a reason for suspicion either.

How is his "tunneling" any different from yours?

Because unlike them I have a more valid reason to start it.

And it isn’t fake.

[Alison]

Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.

I want to believe this. I’ll vote the other guy and wait for tomorrow. Good luck chop

You shouldn't. It's mechanically impossible for his claimed role to give mech info about me or Falcon.

Yeah because Faction Spy is the equivalent to a Town Visitor right?

Falcon is dead.

Who are you using your spy on?

He’s voting you.

Yes, he was modkilled.

[KZA]

I’m kinda hoping Alison is slaver so people open their eyes and realize Tony is scum.
Like if Alison flips Slaver if people can’t realize they have been signalling to Tony they are like brain dead.

what does this even mean

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've received a private question, paraphrased below:

Can investigative roles target players who had already been eliminated/killed?

No. Dead players are not targetable in general.

[Marmot]

epi has been trending up quite a lot, imo

Yes. Marmot and Sloonei are unaligned and I believe it may well be TvS because it does not seem like a TvT fight.

Can you differentiate the two, and also which one of us you think is town and scum?

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii
May I ask why your voting me here when you were voting with me before.

i'm a free spirit who comes and goes as he pleases :zen:

[Marmot]

@Kylemii
May I ask why your voting me here when you were voting with me before.

i'm a free spirit who comes and goes as he pleases :zen:

Zen-tell!!!!

[DaughterOfOmega]

I have some spicy info that is only useful to me lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sup

[KZA]

I have some spicy info that is only useful to me lol

share?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh my god I missed a modkill. Rip

[Marmot]

There's probably some stuff to be gleaned from everyone pushing on falcon so hard, but I don't feel like doing that now.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine because this is the way.

[Sloonei]

There's probably some stuff to be gleaned from everyone pushing on falcon so hard, but I don't feel like doing that now.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine because this is the way.

What is your understanding of the falcon situation?

[Sloonei]

I've received a private question, paraphrased below:

Can investigative roles target players who had already been eliminated/killed?

No. Dead players are not targetable in general.

@ChopChop how does this announcement affect your plans?

[Marmot]

My brain still hurts after that catchup. Why does falcon get stuck with a bologna check on him two games in a row lol?

I'm ready for an anti-town flip.

[Marmot]

There's probably some stuff to be gleaned from everyone pushing on falcon so hard, but I don't feel like doing that now.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine because this is the way.

What is your understanding of the falcon situation?

Grogu targeted falcon with some ability. Falcon didn't claim for raisins. Everyone believed Grogu and not falcon.

I was too lazy to look if anyone was taking advantage of the situation, but any mafia player would know he wasn't on their team, so it is a possibility that can be looked into is what I'm saying here.

[KZA]

I would be a decent target for ChopChop if he's real

[Sloonei]

My brain still hurts after that catchup. Why does falcon get stuck with a bologna check on him two games in a row lol?

I'm ready for an anti-town flip.

There's probably some stuff to be gleaned from everyone pushing on falcon so hard, but I don't feel like doing that now.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine because this is the way.

What is your understanding of the falcon situation?

Grogu targeted falcon with some ability. Falcon didn't claim for raisins. Everyone believed Grogu and not falcon.

I was too lazy to look if anyone was taking advantage of the situation, but any mafia player would know he wasn't on their team, so it is a possibility that can be looked into is what I'm saying here.

It is unclear from these two posts if you are aware that falcon has already flipped.