The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:15 pm Another, somewhat related one, is a secret simultaneous resurrection and recruitment to the Mafia, a civilian getting resurrected to the Mafia's team. Such a player almost certainly won't be lynched, and it makes for an easy victory for the Mafia.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:43 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:29 pmKyle, I see in your post that you suspect lap as well, but that Glorf thinking she(?) is civ causes you to rethink. So, obviously Glorf was civ since he was night-killed. But why does his opinion causes you pause? Civ's can be wrong. Am I missing something?

in summary, glorfindel's view on lapluie changed overnight. he went from believing lap was definitely mafia and a top priority for lynching to believing they were definitely civ literally overnight. Iirc there wasn't any real in thread reason for him to change his view on lapluie during that time frame so it's possible his view was changed by a night action.

@Elohcin what are your thoughts on marmot?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:50 pm Glorfindel was highly suspicious of lapluie until I talked it over with him. He seemed convinced by my arguments in her favor, though I was still surprised by his level of confidence in her after that point. I'll have to determine whether a night phase ended somewhere during that period to facilitate his having received information.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:52 pmBloopp

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:56 pm Glorfindel on lapluie, Night 4:

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Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:30 pm I sure did. What is your greatest disagreement?

It frankly astounds me that anyone could read Lapluie’s ISO and deduce from that she is anywhere near Town. You said this of Jack:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:09 pm Jack is red because he continues to push dubious cases with a tone of exaggerated assertiveness while resisting other dubious cases with the same tone, and I question the legitimacy of any civilian mindset he has attempted to portray.

Precisely the same thing could be said of Lapluie (only I think it applies more so in her case).

Don’t get me going on Simon. There’s massive red-herring potential there. If he was Mafia coming in at the last second, surely he’d have nailed TSP’s coffin shut once and for all. But no, he voted for Lapluie which is an encouraging look in my view.

It would seem logical that any POE needs to focus on the LC and TSP wagons. THAT is where we should start looking.

In any case, this will be left up to you guys to determine. I believe that it would be cruel and inhumane of our Mafia team to keep me alive any longer in this game so I hope my game does end here in the next few hours. No one would listen to me when it counted, I don’t expect that’s like to change.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:11 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:05 pm If by your last question Jay, you mean someone else that I knew for certain to be a Townie, no.

I can understand why you'd be perturbed given your strong civilian read on Long Con. Whatever brings you to that read, consider how others are going to approach Long Con without the same rationale in mind that you have in yours. He hasn't done very much in this game. He's flown under the radar. I think it's fair to suspect him in the absence of special insight. In lapluie's case, I am pretty sure Long Con voted for her in a tally which could have easily destroyed her. He moved to TSP in the end, but for a long stretch he was on lapluie. Play devil's advocate with yourself and assume lapluie is a civilian -- how is she likely to respond when an under-the-radar Long Con is trying to get her lynched close to EOD?

Now, consider your own role in this incident. You were loudly shouting for LC to be saved. You didn't want that lynch. Anyone who knows you well would be well-advised to listen to you on that front. Does lapluie know you? Does your reputation hold any weight with a player who has never played with you before? What about the LC voters who do know you and still ignored you? Would you agree that there is a more obvious problem with that picture?

Very well, Jay - you have my attention.

Glorfindel on lapluie, Day 5:

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Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:31 pm Also, apologies to you Lapluie. Jay has made me see the light.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:12 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:12 pm Its best to lynch mafia players who are still active now, rather than an inactive player imo.

That's a fair argument. I would consider them both to be active at least in that they can send night actions. You'll note that Simon voted late in the last day phase, and for you.

I voted for Lapluie too and I was wrong. I don’t think Simon making a wrong choice particularly in that instance (sorry, Lapluie) wasn’t necessarily understandable.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

Lapluie is NOT Mafia.

You can see a clear transition between phases. On Night 4 he started with strong suspicion of lapluie, and even though he was willing to listen to my argument in her favor he didn't 180 it. When the new day phase began though, he was immediate in absolving her and resolute in defending her.

I'm not lynching that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:28 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:17 amWow, a resurrection! Rare. I like them.

i definitely liked this one.

alright i have three questions regarding the events that took place after my tragic and sad murder,

1. how does everyone currently feel about lapluie? are they cool?

2. @Marmot how are you? what are your thoughts on Jay?

3. @JaggedJimmyJay same question here as number 2 only about Marmot instead.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:40 pm If Jay is civ, why isn't he dead yet?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

I'm always resistant to ties. This game is no different to others.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:32 pm perhaps I should not post until I catch up. Even still. I see this change...but it doesn't totally convince me. I mean....what if Glor got wrong info? I have seen things like this happen before. I don't trust any "info" to be 100% true in mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

I'm always resistant to ties. This game is no different to others.

Then you're mafia. Period.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

I'm always resistant to ties. This game is no different to others.

Then you're mafia. Period.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:43 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:32 pm perhaps I should not post until I catch up. Even still. I see this change...but it doesn't totally convince me. I mean....what if Glor got wrong info? I have seen things like this happen before. I don't trust any "info" to be 100% true in mafia.

I wouldn't call it 100% either. I might call it 95% though. At what point does this extend beyond sensible skepticism and into the realm of paranoia or fear-mongering?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:50 pm I don't mean to be all "defend marmot!!" because I have no clue what y'all have on him (and if you don't mind telling me what y'all have on him JaggedJimmyJay, that would be great), but I feeel the same damn way about ties in mafia whether I am bad or good. I hate them. They may me crazy uneasy for some reason.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:56 pm Glorfindel on lapluie, Night 4:

Spoiler: show

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:30 pm I sure did. What is your greatest disagreement?

It frankly astounds me that anyone could read Lapluie’s ISO and deduce from that she is anywhere near Town. You said this of Jack:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:09 pm Jack is red because he continues to push dubious cases with a tone of exaggerated assertiveness while resisting other dubious cases with the same tone, and I question the legitimacy of any civilian mindset he has attempted to portray.

Precisely the same thing could be said of Lapluie (only I think it applies more so in her case).

Don’t get me going on Simon. There’s massive red-herring potential there. If he was Mafia coming in at the last second, surely he’d have nailed TSP’s coffin shut once and for all. But no, he voted for Lapluie which is an encouraging look in my view.

It would seem logical that any POE needs to focus on the LC and TSP wagons. THAT is where we should start looking.

In any case, this will be left up to you guys to determine. I believe that it would be cruel and inhumane of our Mafia team to keep me alive any longer in this game so I hope my game does end here in the next few hours. No one would listen to me when it counted, I don’t expect that’s like to change.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:11 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:05 pm If by your last question Jay, you mean someone else that I knew for certain to be a Townie, no.

I can understand why you'd be perturbed given your strong civilian read on Long Con. Whatever brings you to that read, consider how others are going to approach Long Con without the same rationale in mind that you have in yours. He hasn't done very much in this game. He's flown under the radar. I think it's fair to suspect him in the absence of special insight. In lapluie's case, I am pretty sure Long Con voted for her in a tally which could have easily destroyed her. He moved to TSP in the end, but for a long stretch he was on lapluie. Play devil's advocate with yourself and assume lapluie is a civilian -- how is she likely to respond when an under-the-radar Long Con is trying to get her lynched close to EOD?

Now, consider your own role in this incident. You were loudly shouting for LC to be saved. You didn't want that lynch. Anyone who knows you well would be well-advised to listen to you on that front. Does lapluie know you? Does your reputation hold any weight with a player who has never played with you before? What about the LC voters who do know you and still ignored you? Would you agree that there is a more obvious problem with that picture?

Very well, Jay - you have my attention.

Glorfindel on lapluie, Day 5:

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Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:31 pm Also, apologies to you Lapluie. Jay has made me see the light.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:12 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:12 pm Its best to lynch mafia players who are still active now, rather than an inactive player imo.

That's a fair argument. I would consider them both to be active at least in that they can send night actions. You'll note that Simon voted late in the last day phase, and for you.

I voted for Lapluie too and I was wrong. I don’t think Simon making a wrong choice particularly in that instance (sorry, Lapluie) wasn’t necessarily understandable.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

Lapluie is NOT Mafia.

You can see a clear transition between phases. On Night 4 he started with strong suspicion of lapluie, and even though he was willing to listen to my argument in her favor he didn't 180 it. When the new day phase began though, he was immediate in absolving her and resolute in defending her.

I'm not lynching that.

perhaps I should not post until I catch up. Even still. I see this change...but it doesn't totally convince me. I mean....what if Glor got wrong info? I have seen things like this happen before. I don't trust any "info" to be 100% true in mafia.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

I'm always resistant to ties. This game is no different to others.

Then you're mafia. Period.

Whatever you say.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:39 pmJay is not of the Order of Light.

At first I didn't care that he continued to be a significant part of this game. I thought his contributions would help the players in general. But his latest actions have been detrimental to my own cause. He should be destroyed.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:09 pm Marmot,

Why were you resistant to a tie at the very end of the day phase?

I'm always resistant to ties. This game is no different to others.

Then you're mafia. Period.

Whatever you say.

If I vote for you will you defend yourself & change my mind?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:15 pm After Tony was lynched, Jay came out of that asserting that myself, Simon, and nutella were mafia. He also claimed that you and Long Con, the two counter-lynches, were civilian. I don't buy those claims.

Also this ongoing "Glorfindel doesn't lie" motto has been taken out of context. I said it early in the game, because Glorfindel doesn't lie about his own alignment. That this sort of behavior transfers to every word he says is opportunistic.

I don't really care about defending myself. He should burn, and so should his allies.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:20 pm "latest actions have been detrimental to *my own* cause" only makes sense in the context that you have a unique cause, but "I thought his contributions would help the players in general." implies that you previously thought he was an indie role

the implication you're trying to push here seems to be that you and Jay are both independent, but Jay is a more inconvenient independent, am I very far off the mark?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:15 pmStrong tinfoil theory, Jay has managed to buddy the mafia somehow.

Jay usually gets what he wants because he's a good mafia player.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:30 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:15 pmStrong tinfoil theory, Jay has managed to buddy the mafia somehow.

what in the world?

Jay usually gets what he wants because he's a good mafia player.

if jay truly is indie then he doesn't need to be lynched or "destroyed". his death doesn't help us get closer to wincon and he is a possible ally at times. with the way things are going he's more likely to achieve his wincon by helping civs anyways since whittling down the mafia allows for more night kills and deaths overall that might end up snagging his two specified civilian marks.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:31 pm Fine with me.

I'm getting really emotionally charged these last few mafia games, and I can only step away and recollect so many times. I'd rather just be removed than continue to defend myself day-after-day.

Lynch me please.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:22 pmI guarantee Marmot is not independent.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:53 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:50 pm I don't mean to be all "defend marmot!!" because I have no clue what y'all have on him (and if you don't mind telling me what y'all have on him JaggedJimmyJay, that would be great), but I feeel the same damn way about ties in mafia whether I am bad or good. I hate them. They may me crazy uneasy for some reason.

I don't object to someone resisting ties in general. So do I. I care about Marmot resisting that tie, and that's all I'm going to say about it. If you'd like a more general case:

Marmot refused to listen to Glorfindel, the guy who never lies, when he was screaming to prevent a Long Con lynch. Marmot just kept asking him "what do you know??" and "why??" as if those are answerable questions, all while leaving his vote planted firmly on LC's face. Fake.

Marmot "tried" to sway the lynch from nutella to Simon (civilian to mafia), but only by begging for vote switches from players who had made it clear all day long that they were voting for nutella and not Simon. Fake.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:54 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:56 pm Glorfindel on lapluie, Night 4:

Spoiler: show

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:30 pm I sure did. What is your greatest disagreement?

It frankly astounds me that anyone could read Lapluie’s ISO and deduce from that she is anywhere near Town. You said this of Jack:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:09 pm Jack is red because he continues to push dubious cases with a tone of exaggerated assertiveness while resisting other dubious cases with the same tone, and I question the legitimacy of any civilian mindset he has attempted to portray.

Precisely the same thing could be said of Lapluie (only I think it applies more so in her case).

Don’t get me going on Simon. There’s massive red-herring potential there. If he was Mafia coming in at the last second, surely he’d have nailed TSP’s coffin shut once and for all. But no, he voted for Lapluie which is an encouraging look in my view.

It would seem logical that any POE needs to focus on the LC and TSP wagons. THAT is where we should start looking.

In any case, this will be left up to you guys to determine. I believe that it would be cruel and inhumane of our Mafia team to keep me alive any longer in this game so I hope my game does end here in the next few hours. No one would listen to me when it counted, I don’t expect that’s like to change.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:11 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:05 pm If by your last question Jay, you mean someone else that I knew for certain to be a Townie, no.

I can understand why you'd be perturbed given your strong civilian read on Long Con. Whatever brings you to that read, consider how others are going to approach Long Con without the same rationale in mind that you have in yours. He hasn't done very much in this game. He's flown under the radar. I think it's fair to suspect him in the absence of special insight. In lapluie's case, I am pretty sure Long Con voted for her in a tally which could have easily destroyed her. He moved to TSP in the end, but for a long stretch he was on lapluie. Play devil's advocate with yourself and assume lapluie is a civilian -- how is she likely to respond when an under-the-radar Long Con is trying to get her lynched close to EOD?

Now, consider your own role in this incident. You were loudly shouting for LC to be saved. You didn't want that lynch. Anyone who knows you well would be well-advised to listen to you on that front. Does lapluie know you? Does your reputation hold any weight with a player who has never played with you before? What about the LC voters who do know you and still ignored you? Would you agree that there is a more obvious problem with that picture?

Very well, Jay - you have my attention.

Glorfindel on lapluie, Day 5:

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Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:31 pm Also, apologies to you Lapluie. Jay has made me see the light.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:12 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:12 pm Its best to lynch mafia players who are still active now, rather than an inactive player imo.

That's a fair argument. I would consider them both to be active at least in that they can send night actions. You'll note that Simon voted late in the last day phase, and for you.

I voted for Lapluie too and I was wrong. I don’t think Simon making a wrong choice particularly in that instance (sorry, Lapluie) wasn’t necessarily understandable.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

Lapluie is NOT Mafia.

You can see a clear transition between phases. On Night 4 he started with strong suspicion of lapluie, and even though he was willing to listen to my argument in her favor he didn't 180 it. When the new day phase began though, he was immediate in absolving her and resolute in defending her.

I'm not lynching that.

perhaps I should not post until I catch up. Even still. I see this change...but it doesn't totally convince me. I mean....what if Glor got wrong info? I have seen things like this happen before. I don't trust any "info" to be 100% true in mafia.

Well nobody's gonna stop you for voting for me if that was the last result for your decision, but rumor here goes around that glorfindel doesn't lie?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:36 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:31 pm Fine with me.

I'm getting really emotionally charged these last few mafia games, and I can only step away and recollect so many times. I'd rather just be removed than continue to defend myself day-after-day.

Lynch me please.

How did you feel about the potential of a nutella lynch before it occurred?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:38 pm The first part of this general case just screams marmot to me. Everyone plays mafia differently and I think this is meta for marmot and it gives me no alarms.

The second part of the case is just confusing to me. He wanted people to vote for Simon (mafia) and not nutella (civ). I don't get how that is pingy.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:35 pmThere's likely four mafia left. It'd be quicker to mislynch a couple non-mafia then it would be to lynch four actual mafia.

Additonally, if Jay's accurate in his mafia guesses, he's more likely to be nightkilled.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:38 pm The first part of this general case just screams marmot to me. Everyone plays mafia differently and I think this is meta for marmot and it gives me no alarms.

The second part of the case is just confusing to me. He wanted people to vote for Simon (mafia) and not nutella (civ). I don't get how that is pingy.

I don't see how "ignore the pleas of the man who never lies" is either a strategy or a play style. It's a refusal to heed the words of someone you claim to trust when it matters most. That's yuck.

I don't really buy that he "wanted" people to vote for Simon. He was making that request of players who had said all day phase long that they were voting for nutella and not Simon. It was pointless.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:50 pm mmmmm maybe. but the mafia probably won't kill Jay, because the mafia knows that Jay is a potential late game swing vote. why kill a variable when you can kill a constant?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:38 pm The first part of this general case just screams marmot to me. Everyone plays mafia differently and I think this is meta for marmot and it gives me no alarms.

The second part of the case is just confusing to me. He wanted people to vote for Simon (mafia) and not nutella (civ). I don't get how that is pingy.

I don't see how "ignore the pleas of the man who never lies" is either a strategy or a play style. It's a refusal to heed the words of someone you claim to trust when it matters most. That's yuck.

I don't really buy that he "wanted" people to vote for Simon. He was making that request of players who had said all day phase long that they were voting for nutella and not Simon. It was pointless.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:38 pm The first part of this general case just screams marmot to me. Everyone plays mafia differently and I think this is meta for marmot and it gives me no alarms.

The second part of the case is just confusing to me. He wanted people to vote for Simon (mafia) and not nutella (civ). I don't get how that is pingy.

I don't see how "ignore the pleas of the man who never lies" is either a strategy or a play style. It's a refusal to heed the words of someone you claim to trust when it matters most. That's yuck.

I don't really buy that he "wanted" people to vote for Simon. He was making that request of players who had said all day phase long that they were voting for nutella and not Simon. It was pointless.

I think we have to agree to disagree, sorry. I definitely see a marmot playstyle in your case-part 1. And in part 2, it seems like a civ marmot who is really sees a civ nutella and wants people to vote for Simon instead. It's like your process of elimination crap. He saw that he trusted nutella more and so he wanted people to vote Simon. EVERYONE who did not vote for Simon, voted for Nutella. Who was he going to ask other than those who had decided they were voting nutella? Deadies cannot vote, non-players cannot vote.

Honestly...I 100% am scared out of my mind right now because I hate defending people so hard in games because I know it can come back to bite me in the ass. But I have to call bullshit on your claims against marmot. I think they are stupid and feel like it's my responsibility to tell you so.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:31 pm Fine with me.

I'm getting really emotionally charged these last few mafia games, and I can only step away and recollect so many times. I'd rather just be removed than continue to defend myself day-after-day.

Lynch me please.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:03 pmEVERYONE who did not vote for Simon, voted for Nutella. Who was he going to ask other than those who had decided they were voting nutella? Deadies cannot vote, non-players cannot vote.

Honestly...I 100% am scared out of my mind right now because I hate defending people so hard in games because I know it can come back to bite me in the ass. But I have to call bullshit on your claims against marmot. I think they are stupid and feel like it's my responsibility to tell you so.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:12 pm so I just looked at the lynch poll. I had no clue Dom was playing and I don't even know a Dave. Have they even posted?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:14 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:03 pmEVERYONE who did not vote for Simon, voted for Nutella. Who was he going to ask other than those who had decided they were voting nutella? Deadies cannot vote, non-players cannot vote.

Honestly...I 100% am scared out of my mind right now because I hate defending people so hard in games because I know it can come back to bite me in the ass. But I have to call bullshit on your claims against marmot. I think they are stupid and feel like it's my responsibility to tell you so.

He didn't ask "everyone" who didn't vote for Simon. He asked the specific few people who indicated that they would not vote for Simon.

Go read it and then tell me my claims are bullshit.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:15 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:12 pm so I just looked at the lynch poll. I had no clue Dom was playing and I don't even know a Dave. Have they even posted?

I think Dave has only 1 or 2 posts, but dom has been MIA from start of game

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:12 pm Glorfindel, kindly move your vote to Simon, please.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:21 pm lapluie Made ! Get on over to Simon.