The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:02 pmIn fact, if there’s anything I can say about me possibly being wrong about dizzy

I was just about to say that you needed to find another scape goat. : p

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:12 pm Seriously I actually believe that was a slip. Scotty is under a lot of pressure and that phrasing came from a place of frustration and does not sound like a townie talking about the town. Maybe I'm wrong but I believe that shit happens.

In this scenario, is Scotty playing himself?

What?

Scotty has no reason to say "ourselves" or some such in a scenario where he feels other people are screwing the pooch. I hate that you're ignoring the obvious.

No, he would phrase it some other way entirely.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:12 pm Seriously I actually believe that was a slip. Scotty is under a lot of pressure and that phrasing came from a place of frustration and does not sound like a townie talking about the town. Maybe I'm wrong but I believe that shit happens.

In this scenario, is Scotty playing himself?

What?

Scotty has no reason to say "ourselves" or some such in a scenario where he feels other people are screwing the pooch. I hate that you're ignoring the obvious.

No, he would phrase it some other way entirely.

Like how?

Who cares, you guys? He's not approaching this as a town would at all.

[mention]Scotty[/mention], this is the most important question. Please answer it directly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:00 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:56 pm Jay, dizzy can say she’s fucking Chris Kringle and I still wouldn’t believe it. That goes for anyone here too.
And no, I also don’t fault her for embracing it either- it makes her look better. I’m a goddamned leprechaun, just don’t ask to see my pot of gold

Your perspective here makes Dizzy a very likely civilian unless there is something I am just completely missing.

From her perspective, it makes her look better

Ok now people are putting words in my mouth

STOP TRYING TO FIND SCUMSLIPS THAT ARENT THERE

I misunderstood you. What do YOU think of Dizzy embracing the theory? Does it make Dizzy look better or worse or neither?

Like "then we are going to lose" or "you guys are screwing this up for the town" or idk there's a million ways to say it

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:22 pm Who cares, you guys? He's not approaching this as a town would at all.

Feed me your confidence. What is he doing or not doing specifically that you think is the wrong approach?

Nut is a linguist. I learned that in FE.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:22 pm Who cares, you guys? He's not approaching this as a town would at all.

Feed me your confidence. What is he doing or not doing specifically that you think is the wrong approach?

He's mad that I'm not a suspect for you two and that he can't do anything about it. He's not trying to use the information in thread to build sound theories and follow their conclusion, he's just mad that it can be done and thinks it shouldn't. Which is understandable.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:00 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:56 pm Jay, dizzy can say she’s fucking Chris Kringle and I still wouldn’t believe it. That goes for anyone here too.
And no, I also don’t fault her for embracing it either- it makes her look better. I’m a goddamned leprechaun, just don’t ask to see my pot of gold

Your perspective here makes Dizzy a very likely civilian unless there is something I am just completely missing.

From her perspective, it makes her look better

Ok now people are putting words in my mouth

STOP TRYING TO FIND SCUMSLIPS THAT ARENT THERE

I misunderstood you. What do YOU think of Dizzy embracing the theory? Does it make Dizzy look better or worse or neither?

I’ve answered this. I think I would do the same thing if I were bad, but It doesn’t change my read.

If anything, I’m playing NOU tag with Nutella with this scum slip bullshit

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:18 pm I'm still not 100% on Scotty.

I'm not either until he answers your last question

You’re having fun, aren’t you?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:02 pmIn fact, if there’s anything I can say about me possibly being wrong about dizzy

Dude I can’t do PB&J’s, it fuels my acid reflux

...you still haven't really answered the question

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:22 pm Like "then we are going to lose" or "you guys are screwing this up for the town" or idk there's a million ways to say it

You’re screwing the pooch

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:28 pm I’ve answered this. I think I would do the same thing if I were bad, but It doesn’t change my read.

If anything, I’m playing NOU tag with Nutella with this scum slip bullshit

Okay, so if you still think nutella is a viable candidate, then Dyslexicon must be a civilian. Do you understand why? It's not a read. It's logic.

Absolutely everybody would could potentially take issue with Dizzy (and thus view Dizzy as the only suspect of interest) has spoken on the matter, and it's clear that nobody has adopted that perspective. You were the last person who could do that, and you didn't. You suspect nutella too.

If there is a non-Dizzy dentist in the suspect pool who doesn't believe that Dizzy is a confirmed mafioso, then that person cannot possibly be paying attention. Everybody here seems to be paying attention.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:32 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:28 pm I’ve answered this. I think I would do the same thing if I were bad, but It doesn’t change my read.

If anything, I’m playing NOU tag with Nutella with this scum slip bullshit

Okay, so if you still think nutella is a viable candidate, then Dyslexicon must be a civilian. Do you understand why? It's not a read. It's logic.

Absolutely everybody would could potentially take issue with Dizzy (and thus view Dizzy as the only suspect of interest) has spoken on the matter, and it's clear that nobody has adopted that perspective. You were the last person who could do that, and you didn't. You suspect nutella too.

If there is a non-Dizzy dentist in the suspect pool who doesn't believe that Dizzy is a confirmed mafioso, then that person cannot possibly be paying attention. Everybody here seems to be paying attention.

Yes, this... the problem is Scotty could still be either alignment. His handling of it looks very bad though.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:35 pmYes, this... the problem is Scotty could still be either alignment. His handling of it looks very bad though.

Why would town be handling it that way?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:35 pmYes, this... the problem is Scotty could still be either alignment. His handling of it looks very bad though.

Why would town be handling it that way?

What?

That's my point...?

Like he technically could be town but he took so long to say anything that he looks bad

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:40 pm Like he technically could be town but he took so long to say anything that he looks bad

What's the town angle that is possible?

Scotty and Nutella are chatting away in their BTSC right now. xD

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:40 pm Like he technically could be town but he took so long to say anything that he looks bad

What's the town angle that is possible?

Same as mine and presumably yours. Just that he didn't act the same.

Tick tock.

Hey kiddos! I’m back to play because I don’t want us to lose because of some bullshit!

Here’s a grabbag of stuff that jumped out at me:
DAY 5:

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:27 pm I'm a little concerned that Quin seems to be the only one of the three who has given any remote consideration to a mafia JJJ -- technically I should be in this POE pool. It's been good to avoid that and improve the probability of a hit, but I haven't seen any paranoia about me from Scotty whatsoever, and it's only been a little bit during MP's tirade from nutella.

I have given it some consideration but I don't think it's likely enough to risk at this point. Your eod4 looks too good especially.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:53 pm nutella gives Quin a ton of crap for being so confident on Day 4 in a tense situation.

nutella enters Day 5, what should be another tense situation, with total confidence in a Quin vote.

There was a period of total confidence, yes. Then I considered Scotty and have been frantically trying to decide between them ever since. Would you prefer Scotty over quin right now bc I'd happily switch

You have to ask JJJ for advice, because she hasn’t made original reads herself all game.

JJJ you mentioned recently not wanting to be buddied again so soon after Ass Class. Well, you and nutella have voted the same in the past 3 lynches, and here she is posing a case against you because she slept on it at lylo. I would say it is an original case, and to an extent I guess it is, but I question if it would have even started if Epi didn’t drop a vote on you today to get things rolling. Then enlisting me, then talking to you, and then dropping the whole thing.

Colin’s mentions:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:13 pm I thought I made a post, but it vanished ...

If nutella actually is getting in the game, I'll take that over removing the spot in a heartbeat.

In the earlier post I (thought I?) made, I said I really liked Marmot's post up there on lapluie. That's a direct contradiction in play — you don't get them any clearer. Coupled with the low-key evasive behavior, I can get behind a [VOTE: LAPLUIE] aubergine lynch.

Hey, there’s nothing worse than your scummate being MIA. I bet Colin is glad here.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 1:10 pm If I’m a bunny, nutella is my scummate.

Can’t leave the house without your keys and healthy bowl of WIFOM!!

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:24 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:18 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:17 pm You guys really don’t want to do this. Idk what else I can say in the time left but if I missed anything please requote it

Could you share a quick rainbow list pls

Feel good about Jay, Scotty, Charlie, and better about you with the claim. Nutella is townish but not as confident. My POE for Marmot’s teammate would be Dizzy, Quin

It changes on Day 4, where nut is townish, but Colin is under pressure about to be lynched. So this could just be a measured hodgepodge of reads.


Why is nutella town?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:50 pm @nutella
@Scotty
@Quin

One of you is a mafioso. I need to narrow it down to two of you.

Please tell me why I should believe you are a civilian.

I have followed a combination of my gut and compelling thread evidence for all of my thoughts on other players, and I haven't been afraid to change my opinion a lot in the moment when presented with reason to do so. I have put myself out there and spoken my mind freely which has brought me some criticism but it's how I play and think through the thread to solve the game so I persist. I reacted organically during claim gate and did my best to consider all possibilities. I am genuinely trying still to ensure that I'm not missing anything in finding the last baddie --even though I feel very confident it is quin I have considered angles on Scotty.

I would agree that she seems very organic- I’ve used that word too- but I’ve also said that her constant read changes could have confused the town. Could be intentionally organic. She’s still appearing engaged on lylo here but she is also one of the POE candidates so she has to be.

I didn’t play Fire Emblem, but she was bad there, and I just read the last bit of her iso where she relied on JJJ to win the game for her. What was that?

[mention]Charlie Blackmon[/mention], Are you here?

[mention]Scotty[/mention], Are you still uncertain about me?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:25 pm I didn’t play Fire Emblem, but she was bad there, and I just read the last bit of her iso where she relied on JJJ to win the game for her. What was that?

I was long dead; she was referring to me being wrong about her teammate dunyachuck.

I really need you to respond to my last query. I agree that if it isn't you, it's nutella.

Guys, I feel strongly that it’s nutella at this point. If it’s not her, then gg. The back of my head is still screaming Dys but ima just trust the process on the dentist thing and assume you know what you’re doing, jjj.

And now I go back to work. I’ve said what I can with the time I have. Please get out of your box

I have made original reads, but I do tend to agree with Jay a lot of the time when I'm not in suspecting-him mode. It's like a switch I can turn on or off at this point lol. He's totally bad or he's totally town and trustworthy. One or the other, no middle ground.

Can't speak for Colin or why he said that wifom thing, but I'm not his teammate.

Is that all you've got?

linki: You feel strongly and yet you have like two points against me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:36 pm Guys, I feel strongly that it’s nutella at this point. If it’s not her, then gg. The back of my head is still screaming Dys but ima just trust the process on the dentist thing and assume you know what you’re doing, jjj.

And now I go back to work. I’ve said what I can with the time I have. Please get out of your box

Box? If you consider the possibility that it's Jay then you have a chance at getting my vote off you.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:36 pm Guys, I feel strongly that it’s nutella at this point. If it’s not her, then gg. The back of my head is still screaming Dys but ima just trust the process on the dentist thing and assume you know what you’re doing, jjj.

And now I go back to work. I’ve said what I can with the time I have. Please get out of your box

Are you going to be back before the deadline? It's in 2.5 hours.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:36 pm I have made original reads

Show me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:36 pm Guys, I feel strongly that it’s nutella at this point. If it’s not her, then gg. The back of my head is still screaming Dys but ima just trust the process on the dentist thing and assume you know what you’re doing, jjj.

And now I go back to work. I’ve said what I can with the time I have. Please get out of your box

Box? If you consider the possibility that it's Jay then you have a chance at getting my vote off you.

Y U being like thiz tho?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:36 pm I have made original reads

Show me.

My suspicion of you. My earlier town read of Colin. My suspicion and subsequent town read of Epi. My town read and subsequent suspicion of Quin.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:36 pm Guys, I feel strongly that it’s nutella at this point. If it’s not her, then gg. The back of my head is still screaming Dys but ima just trust the process on the dentist thing and assume you know what you’re doing, jjj.

And now I go back to work. I’ve said what I can with the time I have. Please get out of your box

Box? If you consider the possibility that it's Jay then you have a chance at getting my vote off you.

Y U being like thiz tho?

Like what?

This is pretty infuriating, because I can see a world where Scotty simply doesn't get the point I've been trying to make, and peeling him off of his Dizzy suspicion is inherently difficult because of preconceptions and bias.

It just hasn't been made clear in the dialogue, because when I've asked Scotty these questions the responses have felt like *plugs ears* lalalalalalala.

for reference

Nutella: It's either Scotty or Jay
Jay: It's either Scotty or Nutella
Scotty: It's Nutella
Dyslexicon: It's either Scotty or Nutella
Epi: It's Jay

Scotty - 3
Nutella - 3
Jay - 2

Let me know if you're misrepresented here or if I should weight these scores in some way

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:43 pm This is pretty infuriating, because I can see a world where Scotty simply doesn't get the point I've been trying to make, and peeling him off of his Dizzy suspicion is inherently difficult because of preconceptions and bias.

It just hasn't been made clear in the dialogue, because when I've asked Scotty these questions the responses have felt like *plugs ears* lalalalalalala.

Yeah. I just don't understand, IF he is town, how the fuck does he not get the point and why doesn't he want to listen to it? He just ignores it. It's not a challenging argument to understand. It seems he still doesn't get it, and he isn't answering my questions either.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:36 pm I have made original reads

Show me.

My suspicion of you. My earlier town read of Colin. My suspicion and subsequent town read of Epi. My town read and subsequent suspicion of Quin.

One point Scotty makes that I have also considered is that your case against me may never exist in this thread if Epignosis doesn't open this phase with a vote on me. You have thrived in recent phases with maximal suspicion on as many people as reasonably allowable (with Quin gone, I took his place). That encourages confusion, paranoia, and makes coordination a lot more difficult -- ideal circumstances for a mafioso trying to evade a final lynch.

[mention]Charlie Blackmon[/mention], Move your vote off of Jimmey, please. It does nothing good there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:36 pm I have made original reads

Show me.

My suspicion of you. My earlier town read of Colin. My suspicion and subsequent town read of Epi. My town read and subsequent suspicion of Quin.

One point Scotty makes that I have also considered is that your case against me may never exist in this thread if Epignosis doesn't open this phase with a vote on me. You have thrived in recent phases with maximal suspicion on as many people as reasonably allowable (with Quin gone, I took his place). That encourages confusion, paranoia, and makes coordination a lot more difficult -- ideal circumstances for a mafioso trying to evade a final lynch.

It absolutely would still exist. And that's a poor way to phrase that I have been considering multiple possible candidates for the last mafioso so as not to let them slide through and allow another mislynch to happen. I'm doing exactly what I should be doing during lylo.

I'm confused and paranoid. Sorry if it's making it harder.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:48 pm Charlie Blackmon, Move your vote off of Jimmey, please. It does nothing good there.

His computer screws up when he is tagged. I would recommend getting his attention by quoting something random from his ISO.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:49 pm I'm confused and paranoid. Sorry if it's making it harder.

What are the chances of Jimmey being scum to you?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:49 pm I'm confused and paranoid. Sorry if it's making it harder.

What are the chances of Jimmey being scum to you?

Honestly I'm still 50/50 between him and Scotty. Maybe 60 scotty/40 jay

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:02 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

He doesn't get a free pass. Look at his posts and decide.

Charlie, please remove this vote as it's doing nothing good where it is.

The simplest universe is that Scotty read the writing on the wall re: Dizzy and realized that his only out was to go for nutella.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:50 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:49 pm I'm confused and paranoid. Sorry if it's making it harder.

What are the chances of Jimmey being scum to you?

Honestly I'm still 50/50 between him and Scotty. Maybe 60 scotty/40 jay

How?