The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:21 am @Nutella, if you had to bet the farm on a scum team right now, what would it be?

sigh



carot/you?




ugh idk



btw i'm willing to go with the chain plan with epi on me if that's what we wanna do

[mention]nutella[/mention]

If you want chain with epi on you, who do you want at the end of the chain unprotected?

Just admin so we can create a chain and give people time to lock it in.

Let's say Alison.

Ok so

Alison save Mac

Mac save TSP

TSP save Carotenoid

Carotenoid save Proto

Proto save Epi

Epi save Nutella

[mention]nutella[/mention] please confirm this for all

If this plan is bad, now is a great time to start saying something...

I'm okay with that, confirming

Epi will be out of saves, something to consider. I think this is fine though.

Aliens pretty much always no shoot and I did the calculations and that ensures us day 8 if we misshoot tomorrow.

Confirming this works.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:00 pm Ok so

Alison save Mac

Mac save TSP

TSP save Carotenoid

Carotenoid save Proto

Proto save Epi

Epi save Nutella

@nutella please confirm this for all

If this plan is bad, now is a great time to start saying something...

Yes, please do what it says in the quote everyone

[mention]Alison[/mention]
[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]
[mention]Carotenoid[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Heard.

[mention]nutella[/mention]

Confirming

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:14 pm Confirming this works.

ty, feels better to have someone check over it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:13 pm Aliens pretty much always no shoot and I did the calculations and that ensures us day 8 if we misshoot tomorrow.

not really clear aliens no shoot if Alison is town. Can just win tomorrow if they shoot Alison and we ML tomorrow I think.

Probably better to discuss this after the night phase ended though.

for avoidance of doubt, I confirm epi save is locked in

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:13 pm Aliens pretty much always no shoot and I did the calculations and that ensures us day 8 if we misshoot tomorrow.

not really clear aliens no shoot if Alison is town. Can just win tomorrow if they shoot Alison and we ML tomorrow I think.

Probably better to discuss this after the night phase ended though.

Yeah, they probably shoot Alison. Wehtever.

k



the way I see it I have roughly a 2/3 chance of hitting correctly today



if I am not incorrectly clearing someone which I very well could be


so let's solve this

Who are you clearing right now?

I think that's ~roughly discernible from a lot of my previous posts (maybe one slot I've left deliberatetly p ambiguous), but I'd like to let everyone else do some solving and see what I think

hmn alright

I'm pretty sure it's TSP/Alison but I'll look into TSP/Proto and Alison/Proto just in case

hey MacDougall never confirmed his save

I think that if TSP was town he would have been shot to frame Mac

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:15 pm hey MacDougall never confirmed his save

I think that if TSP was town he would have been shot to frame Mac

I don't think Alison or Mac ever confirmed either. So who knows

Oh wait mac is the one you said lol.

Um so


Mac and TSP equally suspect here based on that alone?

Except Mac wouldnt have seen the plan so wait yeah what youre saying about TSP makes the most sense

I still think regardless of Alison's alignment they just holster tho so idk if it really means anything

I think that the only case it might have happened is if it was proto/TSP and that they wanted to make you laser me but eh
Anyway, I don't want to read too much into this because there's a whole game worth of content aside this one night ^^

so imo, it was slightly better for aliens to kill alison if they are town.

There are wifom reasons to not kill Alison if she is town. Pretty good ones. Kinda didnt want to push aliens to that conclusion but TSP said it. Probably aliens can reach that conclusion anyway. What do i think about TSP pushing that aliens likely no kill? All wifom so no conclusion from me.

its 50/50 to hit mafia if youi clear 2 people correctly.

i dont believe Carotenoid's idea that aliens would shoot TSP to frame Mac. I cant see aliens killing anyone unless its exactly Alison. Carotenoid is throwing scum on TSP here and its not a great case.

I was swayed by your notes after further consideration.

if your case on TSP is not strong on purely speculative, meh. Maybe I made a mountain out of a molehill.

I think specifically TSP and me (as one of your proposed scum teams) do not doublekill Nutella on Night 4 when we are 2 of the protectors, and I also specifically do not push for a kill 4 strat if 2 of of the scum team are in the 4. You can argue that I can feel safe within the 4, but I wouldnt feel that TSP is safe in that scenario.

I cant believe you believe TSP/Proto is a real team.

You have pushed almost every world except one that includes Mac. I dont recall any reason why you clear Mac from all possibility.

I am now very worried about Carotenoid.

Hey I said I think the only case Alison is shot is if the team is TSP/Proto --> Alison didn't die so it's not TSP/Proto, opposite conclusion

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:30 pm You have pushed almost every world except one that includes Mac. I dont recall any reason why you clear Mac from all possibility.

I believe he didn't lie about not killing Hally n1. Less confidently than I was for dunya, but still pretty confident.

Also do we know agree that Epignosis is 100% cleared for real?

*now

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:33 pm Hey I said I think the only case Alison is shot is if the team is TSP/Proto --> Alison didn't die so it's not TSP/Proto, opposite conclusion

i didnt get this from your earlier posts. Can someone else confirm their interpretation is reasonable?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:34 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:30 pm You have pushed almost every world except one that includes Mac. I dont recall any reason why you clear Mac from all possibility.

I believe he didn't lie about not killing Hally n1. Less confidently than I was for dunya, but still pretty confident.

how can you be confident believing someone you have no meta with?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:35 pm Also do we know agree that Epignosis is 100% cleared for real?

still not mechanically but for non pedants, yes we can treat Epi as town.

There is a world where mafia is scared not everyone follows the plan so still doesnt put night KP on Nutella, which is why Epi is not mechanically confirmed.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:37 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:34 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:30 pm You have pushed almost every world except one that includes Mac. I dont recall any reason why you clear Mac from all possibility.

I believe he didn't lie about not killing Hally n1. Less confidently than I was for dunya, but still pretty confident.

how can you be confident believing someone you have no meta with?

As I said D5, I always believe these claims because if you do that once, people never believe you again and it's just no fun to play anymore because everyone distrust you.

Also, some Rej TMI'd MacDougall town in their interactions

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:40 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:35 pm Also do we know agree that Epignosis is 100% cleared for real?

still not mechanically but for non pedants, yes we can treat Epi as town.

There is a world where mafia is scared not everyone follows the plan so still doesnt put night KP on Nutella, which is why Epi is not mechanically confirmed.

No, if Epignosis is mafia the aliens ALWAYS put the NK on nutella and hope for the best.
I mean, sure we should wait for everyone to claim but ehhh
I didn't save nutella.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:42 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:40 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:35 pm Also do we know agree that Epignosis is 100% cleared for real?

still not mechanically but for non pedants, yes we can treat Epi as town.

There is a world where mafia is scared not everyone follows the plan so still doesnt put night KP on Nutella, which is why Epi is not mechanically confirmed.

No, if Epignosis is mafia the aliens ALWAYS put the NK on nutella and hope for the best.
I mean, sure we should wait for everyone to claim but ehhh
I didn't save nutella.

I mean, again, Mac hadn't seen that the plan changed and likely still had a save on me submitted. If alien!Epi realized that...


but I don't think this is worth pursuing regardless

hmn true

Anyway, I'm around if you wanna chat and I'll try to do the ISOs I want asap

nobody should claim today or remainder of the game. we need to hide bunkersaves remaining.

If you are allocated to protect Nutella, we need to rely on you, and you actually dont have any bunker saves left, then and only then, should you announce you cannot save.

I have announced bunker saves all game, but frankly, aliens have no idea how many bunker saves I have remaining in actual fact. I allocated myself to save Epi (they only have 1 bunker save left - as claimed) intentionally.

Cool cool

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:24 pm So let's say epi protects Nutella.
Everyone else chain.
One person unprotected.

Means aliens can only kill 1 person or no kill in night 5.

I think killing is better for aliens because if they kill tonight and we ML on day 6, aliens auto win I think.

So we get a pseudo shot in night 5 by chaining. Right? Out the scunmiest person unprotected overnight and see if they die.

If not they prob mafia unless wifom

Thinking like this is why I believe you care about the roof.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:21 am @Nutella, if you had to bet the farm on a scum team right now, what would it be?

What purpose does this question serve?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:13 pm Epi will be out of saves, something to consider. I think this is fine though.

Epi won't be out of shit.

Bitches up in here can't count.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:58 pm k



the way I see it I have roughly a 2/3 chance of hitting correctly today



if I am not incorrectly clearing someone which I very well could be


so let's solve this

I am good.

I would bet my bankroll protocultures is good.

That's two people I wouldn't kill if I were you.

Out of the remaining folk, I would rank them Carotenoid, MacDougall, TonyStarkPrime, Alison from "would like to have dinner with" to "would blow up with a Molotov cocktail containing laser guns that shoot bees after the lasers come out."

If this year's Syndicate Champs game takes roles from different games, the town doctor should be a Bunker.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:12 pm hmn alright

I'm pretty sure it's TSP/Alison but I'll look into TSP/Proto and Alison/Proto just in case

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:15 pm hey MacDougall never confirmed his save

I think that if TSP was town he would have been shot to frame Mac

I have an opinion about these posts.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:21 am @Nutella, if you had to bet the farm on a scum team right now, what would it be?

What purpose does this question serve?

if I'm on her scum team we need to save another day.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:36 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:12 pm hmn alright

I'm pretty sure it's TSP/Alison but I'll look into TSP/Proto and Alison/Proto just in case

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:15 pm hey MacDougall never confirmed his save

I think that if TSP was town he would have been shot to frame Mac

I have an opinion about these posts.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:58 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:24 pm So let's say epi protects Nutella.
Everyone else chain.
One person unprotected.

Means aliens can only kill 1 person or no kill in night 5.

I think killing is better for aliens because if they kill tonight and we ML on day 6, aliens auto win I think.

So we get a pseudo shot in night 5 by chaining. Right? Out the scunmiest person unprotected overnight and see if they die.

If not they prob mafia unless wifom

Thinking like this is why I believe you care about the roof.

I dont understand the reference but assume its a townread on me.