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[santygrass]

Mostly help with your input in Sloonei / Mac / Seanzie.

I think Seanzie might be the one we need to focus if its misyeet bait pushed by wolves or we are the ones doing a dumb mistake ignoring a wolf and voting and afk/lhf in genny

Why do you know I'm town and what do you want from me?

I don't actually know.

If I'm leaning town its because looking at wagons / players behind wagons you seem like the push wolves are supporting.

But this is like, super easy misread tainted by bias since I don't have a read on you

[Dennis]

Mostly help with your input in Sloonei / Mac / Seanzie.

I think Seanzie might be the one we need to focus if its misyeet bait pushed by wolves or we are the ones doing a dumb mistake ignoring a wolf and voting and afk/lhf in genny

Alrighty

Fmpov Mac has had his air of leadership and is solving like wild, which he ended up associating with the 3 wolf flips now because as soon as he showed up they got killed, which resulted in that nonsense before with the credit and blah blah blah. I remember you sr him for his push on you I think, so I'll look back but of those 3 I think he's most likely town

Sloonei I've thought as town this entire game and I really don't know why. It's been a very strong gut read and I haven't d at any of his posts yet so, shrug emoji

Seanzie I am doubting more and more as the day goes on, mostly based on meta. Town Seanzie sees this thread being dead and pulls out his necromancy staff to bring it back, and he's not really even trying here. I think Mac is right, I think he's the unknown 3rd faction

[santygrass]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

[Dennis]

I think we kill seanzie because 1. It would be fucking hilarious and 2. He's not town probably

Actually no...

I really do want you to speak for youself. Share your thoughts on me, Dennis. Why do you think I'm not town?

Honestly mostly sheeping mac and tutuu reads cause those have been epic so far

But I think town Seanzie would be in here typing 17 page essays in response to every message rather than just commenting on the slow thread

uhh... what game have I ever even done anything close to that?

Champs practice

Did you notice how dead the thread was right after you got killed

[Dennis]

@Dennis - did you know yesterday that tutuu visited Mac?

I know tutuu healed mac n2. That's all I'm saying

Yeah I'm just wondering which pieces of that you knew yesterday.

OH

Yes I did

Oh. All of it, or was tutuu being a doctor a missing piece?

Your rolefishing is cute, if you want to know my role you can just ask

Yes I needed tutuu's flip

What's your role?

Oh it's one of them

[santygrass]

Speaking of genny, I don't know if they are a wolf. But they fsllen off quite a bit? Like, they usually lowpost but they are giving... Nothing while being wagoned?

And if anything makes me think its a hit, if that PSV had bad vibes about her, and mayo kinda too. So I think its likely a hit, and will very gladly yeet them before anyone one which is actually... You know, playing

[Seanzie]

Mostly help with your input in Sloonei / Mac / Seanzie.

I think Seanzie might be the one we need to focus if its misyeet bait pushed by wolves or we are the ones doing a dumb mistake ignoring a wolf and voting and afk/lhf in genny

Why do you know I'm town and what do you want from me?

I don't actually know.

If I'm leaning town its because looking at wagons / players behind wagons you seem like the push wolves are supporting.

But this is like, super easy misread tainted by bias since I don't have a read on you

I'm clearly a crucial element for today. Get a read on me.

[Seanzie]

I know tutuu healed mac n2. That's all I'm saying

Yeah I'm just wondering which pieces of that you knew yesterday.

OH

Yes I did

Oh. All of it, or was tutuu being a doctor a missing piece?

Your rolefishing is cute, if you want to know my role you can just ask

Yes I needed tutuu's flip

What's your role?

Oh it's one of them

Based on what I've seen, wolves likely know it by now. Enlighten the rest of us.

[Sloonei]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

[santygrass]

Dennis, Seanzie what is your image of Town Sloonei? What do you think about their SAR vote rn?

[santygrass]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

Did you have a choice on who go give it?
If so, why genny?

[santygrass]

Yeah I'm just wondering which pieces of that you knew yesterday.

OH

Yes I did

Oh. All of it, or was tutuu being a doctor a missing piece?

Your rolefishing is cute, if you want to know my role you can just ask

Yes I needed tutuu's flip

What's your role?

Oh it's one of them

Based on what I've seen, wolves likely know it by now. Enlighten the rest of us.

Why? If they don't have any relevant info its not worth it in the chance wolves actually are doubting which role they are

[Seanzie]

Mostly help with your input in Sloonei / Mac / Seanzie.

I think Seanzie might be the one we need to focus if its misyeet bait pushed by wolves or we are the ones doing a dumb mistake ignoring a wolf and voting and afk/lhf in genny

Alrighty

Fmpov Mac has had his air of leadership and is solving like wild, which he ended up associating with the 3 wolf flips now because as soon as he showed up they got killed, which resulted in that nonsense before with the credit and blah blah blah. I remember you sr him for his push on you I think, so I'll look back but of those 3 I think he's most likely town

Sloonei I've thought as town this entire game and I really don't know why. It's been a very strong gut read and I haven't d at any of his posts yet so, shrug emoji

Seanzie I am doubting more and more as the day goes on, mostly based on meta. Town Seanzie sees this thread being dead and pulls out his necromancy staff to bring it back, and he's not really even trying here. I think Mac is right, I think he's the unknown 3rd faction

I am disengaged. I have been since D2, but if you look, you can tell I'm becoming more engaged rather than less through time. Scum!Seanzie is the one who tries to revive the thread when it is dead. Scum!Seanzie doesn't let the thread sit dead because that clues the townies in on the fact that there is something wrong with the current gamestate. Disengaged town!Seanzie doesn't have the thread-understanding or thread-pull to do shiz, so I recommend you rethink.

[Dennis]

Then from SDN . I think mayo is near Lock!Town rn. Blindly trusting.

Miranda i have my worries, don't think I have a wolfy catch or something, but just the play they been having its most likely to come from them as scum I think. Neon bluntly said they are town though, and I have other slots to worry so I'm okay leaving them for now.

Mighty I think the falcon vote+the insanity clear them from being werecreature. If there is another faction I don't know. Think their post near SoD were more likely from Mighty Villa. Them low posting is NAI , but like I sensed a sense of direction villa-aligned? Def have to reread here

SAR is flying by . Thats the better definition, I think their reads have very little nuance and are lazy more than not. But that doesn't necessarily make them a wolf so its a bit annoying smh

Nate I didn't like their recent questioning of you, bit I think thy had very good reads/nuance on read these oast days so I am leaning Villa atm? How do you think they approached you Dennis? Since if I recall correctly you were one of their main pushes through the game

I think Nate has been rather solidly town for me since Creature's flip for a whole ton of wagonomics that boiled down to there was a diff check

I didn't really like how many dry replies I had to give to questions about my info, kind of annoying how I said "that's all" and then I proceeded to get pushed further, but I can't blame them for me answering which I admittedly should not have done

[Seanzie]

Dennis, Seanzie what is your image of Town Sloonei? What do you think about their SAR vote rn?

I GTH them town, but not as town as I've seen them.

Their SAR vote feels lazy. They sheeped the person who least should be sheeped.

[Seanzie]

OH

Yes I did

Oh. All of it, or was tutuu being a doctor a missing piece?

Your rolefishing is cute, if you want to know my role you can just ask

Yes I needed tutuu's flip

What's your role?

Oh it's one of them

Based on what I've seen, wolves likely know it by now. Enlighten the rest of us.

Why? If they don't have any relevant info its not worth it in the chance wolves actually are doubting which role they are

I suppose. I didn't actually look that hard at the list of potential roles, but if someone is going to hint as hard as Dennis has hinted, that hinting helps scum more than town IMO. Better to just be straight with it or STFU.

[santygrass]

Mostly help with your input in Sloonei / Mac / Seanzie.

I think Seanzie might be the one we need to focus if its misyeet bait pushed by wolves or we are the ones doing a dumb mistake ignoring a wolf and voting and afk/lhf in genny

Why do you know I'm town and what do you want from me?

I don't actually know.

If I'm leaning town its because looking at wagons / players behind wagons you seem like the push wolves are supporting.

But this is like, super easy misread tainted by bias since I don't have a read on you

I'm clearly a crucial element for today. Get a read on me.

I already know that, but I cant geat a read out of my butt

[Dennis]

Yeah I'm just wondering which pieces of that you knew yesterday.

OH

Yes I did

Oh. All of it, or was tutuu being a doctor a missing piece?

Your rolefishing is cute, if you want to know my role you can just ask

Yes I needed tutuu's flip

What's your role?

Oh it's one of them

Based on what I've seen, wolves likely know it by now. Enlighten the rest of us.

It's that one over there

[Sloonei]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

Did you have a choice on who go give it?
If so, why genny?

Same reason I tried to target Falcon yesterday. The items I give out are weak and only marginally useful. I’ve been trying to give them out to players who are in the POE so that they can potentially do something pro-town with the items and clear their names. I was 2 shot, so shot #1 already died with falcon.

[Dennis]

Mostly help with your input in Sloonei / Mac / Seanzie.

I think Seanzie might be the one we need to focus if its misyeet bait pushed by wolves or we are the ones doing a dumb mistake ignoring a wolf and voting and afk/lhf in genny

Alrighty

Fmpov Mac has had his air of leadership and is solving like wild, which he ended up associating with the 3 wolf flips now because as soon as he showed up they got killed, which resulted in that nonsense before with the credit and blah blah blah. I remember you sr him for his push on you I think, so I'll look back but of those 3 I think he's most likely town

Sloonei I've thought as town this entire game and I really don't know why. It's been a very strong gut read and I haven't d at any of his posts yet so, shrug emoji

Seanzie I am doubting more and more as the day goes on, mostly based on meta. Town Seanzie sees this thread being dead and pulls out his necromancy staff to bring it back, and he's not really even trying here. I think Mac is right, I think he's the unknown 3rd faction

I am disengaged. I have been since D2, but if you look, you can tell I'm becoming more engaged rather than less through time. Scum!Seanzie is the one who tries to revive the thread when it is dead. Scum!Seanzie doesn't let the thread sit dead because that clues the townies in on the fact that there is something wrong with the current gamestate. Disengaged town!Seanzie doesn't have the thread-understanding or thread-pull to do shiz, so I recommend you rethink.

Now see posts like this is why I'm voting genny and not you

[Seanzie]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

Did you have a choice on who go give it?
If so, why genny?

Same reason I tried to target Falcon yesterday. The items I give out are weak and only marginally useful. I’ve been trying to give them out to players who are in the POE so that they can potentially do something pro-town with the items and clear their names. I was 2 shot, so shot #1 already died with falcon.

You've been presumably townreading me and I've been in the PoE. Why didn't you give me something?

[santygrass]

Aight.

Town : Santy, Mayo , Neon , Nate , Dennis , S~V~S

The rest : genny, Mighty, miranda , SAR, Seanzie , Sloonei.

From that list I think I wouldn't yeet miranda (Neon blind sheep). Will look into mighty so see if there is enough credit to take them off.

[Sloonei]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

Did you have a choice on who go give it?
If so, why genny?

Same reason I tried to target Falcon yesterday. The items I give out are weak and only marginally useful. I’ve been trying to give them out to players who are in the POE so that they can potentially do something pro-town with the items and clear their names. I was 2 shot, so shot #1 already died with falcon.

You've been presumably townreading me and I've been in the PoE. Why didn't you give me something?

No reason. I didn’t put much thought into it. My items really are not that useful. I’m a step above a fruit vendor. I also have no say in what people get.

[Sloonei]

And I would not say that I have been town reading you, Seanzie.

[Seanzie]

And I would not say that I have been town reading you, Seanzie.

You sure as hell have been acting like it. Why is that?

[santygrass]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

Did you have a choice on who go give it?
If so, why genny?

Same reason I tried to target Falcon yesterday. The items I give out are weak and only marginally useful. I’ve been trying to give them out to players who are in the POE so that they can potentially do something pro-town with the items and clear their names. I was 2 shot, so shot #1 already died with falcon.

HMMMMMMMM

Then you should target PoE slots that you think are likely to flip town ? Or like, what is your proccess to Pick falcon and then genny between the PoE about other PoE'd slots

[Sloonei]

And I would not say that I have been town reading you, Seanzie.

You sure as hell have been acting like it. Why is that?

I do not believe I have. As I said earlier, I do not have a take on you.

[Sloonei]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

Did you have a choice on who go give it?
If so, why genny?

Same reason I tried to target Falcon yesterday. The items I give out are weak and only marginally useful. I’ve been trying to give them out to players who are in the POE so that they can potentially do something pro-town with the items and clear their names. I was 2 shot, so shot #1 already died with falcon.

HMMMMMMMM

Then you should target PoE slots that you think are likely to flip town ? Or like, what is your proccess to Pick falcon and then genny between the PoE about other PoE'd slots

Yeah. I thought falcon was gonna flip town. Genny is 50/50.

[santygrass]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

Did you have a choice on who go give it?
If so, why genny?

Same reason I tried to target Falcon yesterday. The items I give out are weak and only marginally useful. I’ve been trying to give them out to players who are in the POE so that they can potentially do something pro-town with the items and clear their names. I was 2 shot, so shot #1 already died with falcon.

You've been presumably townreading me and I've been in the PoE. Why didn't you give me something?

No reason. I didn’t put much thought into it. My items really are not that useful. I’m a step above a fruit vendor. I also have no say in what people get.

This is worrying

[santygrass]

Like, as town you only have you role to use in the night, and nothing else to do. So you are either really disengaged to act like that or are a wolf.

And from gth I don't think you seem disengaged to the game to act like that

[santygrass]

@genny can you confirm you got something? No need to reveal what it is

[Sloonei]

@S~V~S @Sloonei who would you vote between genny and Seanzie ?

Seanzie, because I gave Genny an item and don't want it to go to waste.

Did you have a choice on who go give it?
If so, why genny?

Same reason I tried to target Falcon yesterday. The items I give out are weak and only marginally useful. I’ve been trying to give them out to players who are in the POE so that they can potentially do something pro-town with the items and clear their names. I was 2 shot, so shot #1 already died with falcon.

You've been presumably townreading me and I've been in the PoE. Why didn't you give me something?

No reason. I didn’t put much thought into it. My items really are not that useful. I’m a step above a fruit vendor. I also have no say in what people get.

This is worrying

Actually I was the opposite of worried at the time.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[Seanzie]

This is not town Sloonei.

[Sloonei]

Like, as town you only have you role to use in the night, and nothing else to do. So you are either really disengaged to act like that or are a wolf.

And from gth I don't think you seem disengaged to the game to act like that

If you kept reading past the sentence you're worried about, you’d see why. I give random weak items to people. There’s very limited chance for me to actually give something to somebody who is useful. So I figured my best bet would be target someone who won’t be nightkilled (RIP Falcon), and who might be able to shrink our POE pool if we do luck into me giving them a useful item.

[Sloonei]

This is not town Sloonei.

Yes it is.

[Sloonei]

@MacDougall tell him it is

[Seanzie]

This is not town Sloonei.

Yes it is.

I impolitely disagree.

[santygrass]

mightyrunner7 was insanified by Creature on night 1. It's quite wifom, but I will give it a very minor point in their favour simply because the wifom leads you to "just put it on a town because people will read it as wifom anyway so there's not much value in putting it on a wolf" is a true enough statement. Particularly when MR7 is already kinda likely to be town.

First of all, thank you for coining MR7, it's fantastic shorthand for my name.

I'm going to have much more to say tomorrow as things further develop (and I get some sleep), but I just wanted to confirm what happened over the weekend

You can all see the details of my post restriction in creature's role reveal. As someone who prefers making long-form posts, being restricted to 1 sentence thesis titles was very painful. After I made my initial point and read for the day, I didn't see many opportunities to contribute to the discussion, particularly after PSV stated she couldn't make heads or tales of my messages. There were a few scenerios where I would have inserted myself, but I was fine with all three wagon options (Falcon, creature, and Marmot). Frankly, the only time I sweated was when the Dennis wagon started with 1 hour to go, but it never got enough traction to warrant discussion.

Bolding this bit because it made me realize. Mighty is being super concise. Liker almost no long post in their ISO lol. One Paragraph at most and not much detailed thoughts.

Worryng.

@mightyrunner7 if you are town, I will kindly ask for you to thoughts more in the game . I need them. I want to see your Pov

[Sloonei]

I said all of these things yesterday too, and no one raised any objections.

[santygrass]

@miranda920 can you tell me about your current view? Like, who are your confident reads / try to sort people into town/scum ?

Dont think you trying to shiel/explain yourself on why you did for being pressed on time or whatever will make me feel better about you, so I think taking a different stance and try to solve/put your thought on the game will help me more

Lawpy - lean wolf
Genny - neutral, Genny is always a challenging read for me
Mayo - neutral, leaning more town
MR7 - town
Nate - neutral, unsure there are some iffy things
Santy - surprisingly you seem town to me, but you could easily good me
SAR - leans town
Dennis - neutral
Tutuu - seems townie
Mac - also seems town
Neon - feels town
SVS - neutral (also I promised I will get you those quotes when I have access to my laptop)
Seanzie - unsure, nothing has stood out to me about them
Sloonei - I’ve generally felt fine about them

Also, it seems like I'm the only unconditional town read, which I find a bit strange. I think a few others have a much better town argument than me. Is this a correct interpretation of your list?

I think this is the only post from Mighty I am townreading after their post restriction was gone.
I think it's a catch wolves are less inclined to make . But overall I'm like yeah, not enough to a tr

[NateTheLesser]

Maybe I shouldn't have answered that

Well, I don't think it matters that much honestly. It's pretty easy to read between the lines of what you'd said so far and the possible roles in the role list.

The real point of my question was (and correct me if any of this is wrong):
- Yesterday you had Mac as a TR
- Mac thought he was poisoned
- You knew tutuu did something to Mac

But I didn't get the vibe yesterday that you were suspicious of tutuu, and I'm wondering why.

[MacDougall]

Oh, the wagon on me is bigger than I thought. Y'all should probably rethink that.

Fiiiine.

[Sloonei]

This is not town Sloonei.

Yes it is.

I impolitely disagree.

With all due respect, Seandaddy, I don’t think you and I have a very extensive history playing together.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall tell him it is

Tbh it is.

[santygrass]

Like, as town you only have you role to use in the night, and nothing else to do. So you are either really disengaged to act like that or are a wolf.

And from gth I don't think you seem disengaged to the game to act like that

If you kept reading past the sentence you're worried about, you’d see why. I give random weak items to people. There’s very limited chance for me to actually give something to somebody who is useful. So I figured my best bet would be target someone who won’t be nightkilled (RIP Falcon), and who might be able to shrink our POE pool if we do luck into me giving them a useful item.

I read it. But my point still stands.

Like, I expect it to be used on slots with an implied lowkey townread or you see towny potential. Using it on genny lacks all of that? Genny was a potential misyeet and kinda afk, so sorry but to mee that just seems like a very bad choice?
MIranda/Sar/Mighty are like, much more good objectives in a base level view? Maybe Seanzie too.

Like, I have to assume you looked at PoE and gave it to the slot which is doing more nothing and called it a day instead of giving it to someone who you actually feel might be town but sussed regardless? Idk this might be a playstyle difference but cant ignore it


What is your PoE sloonei?

[Seanzie]

This is not town Sloonei.

Yes it is.

I impolitely disagree.

With all due respect, Seandaddy, I don’t think you and I have a very extensive history playing together.

I am still allowed to disagree, and this does not invalidate my take.

[Sloonei]

Like, as town you only have you role to use in the night, and nothing else to do. So you are either really disengaged to act like that or are a wolf.

And from gth I don't think you seem disengaged to the game to act like that

If you kept reading past the sentence you're worried about, you’d see why. I give random weak items to people. There’s very limited chance for me to actually give something to somebody who is useful. So I figured my best bet would be target someone who won’t be nightkilled (RIP Falcon), and who might be able to shrink our POE pool if we do luck into me giving them a useful item.

I read it. But my point still stands.

Like, I expect it to be used on slots with an implied lowkey townread or you see towny potential. Using it on genny lacks all of that? Genny was a potential misyeet and kinda afk, so sorry but to mee that just seems like a very bad choice?
MIranda/Sar/Mighty are like, much more good objectives in a base level view? Maybe Seanzie too.

Like, I have to assume you looked at PoE and gave it to the slot which is doing more nothing and called it a day instead of giving it to someone who you actually feel might be town but sussed regardless? Idk this might be a playstyle difference but cant ignore it


What is your PoE sloonei?

Genny being a misyeet candidate is exactly why I targeted them.

[Seanzie]

@MacDougall tell him it is

Tbh it is.

Why he actin' like he doesn't townread me though?

[Sloonei]

In looking over the playerlist, I realize I have very few actual townreads.

I probably won’t rectify that this phase. Today will be a day of birthday activities.