The Syndicate

I think it's worth something that I abandoned my ISO of Neverwhere before reaching the end of it because her posts were overwhelmingly suspicious to me. I saw nothing in her posts that inspired confidence, and quite a bit that raised alarms.

I am going to end someone's game in about ninety seconds.

Neither my suspicion of splints nor my rainbow list are contrived, they reflect my actual beliefs. I can't say much more as there are two minutes remaining to break the tie, but I hope you make the right choice. And I hope we catch a baddie in Neverwhere.

Nutella, I voted against you.

....Well okay then. Good luck civvies. And I guess good luck with whatever your mysterious win condition is Epi. :suspicious:

Epi...

Spacedaisy wrote: Epi...

Hello.

Let's see how it goes.

ENTER NUTELLA

ENSEMBLE (offstage): nu nu
nu nu
nu nu nu nu nu nu nu
nu nu
nu nu
nu tel la nu tel la nu
nu nu....

SPOTLIGHT ON NUTELLA.
SHE DROPS DEAD


Nutella has been lynched. She was Company.
It is now night 11, you have 24 hours.

Well that's not good.

Right well on that note.



RIP nutella.

I'm just here to break the ties, holmes.

obligatory "epi needs to explain that one" post.

Epignosis wrote:I'm just here to break the ties, holmes.

Why did you break it for nutella and not neverwhere?

Golden, speak up.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm just here to break the ties, holmes.

Why did you break it for nutella and not neverwhere?

Because I felt like it.

Indeed. I'm sorry Nutella, I should have switched my vote to try and save you.

I will admit played chicken to see how Epi would vote. I had pushed refresh literally two seconds earlier and the poll was open, epi had voted. By the time I clicked submit it was shut. I had tried to shift my vote back to Neverwhere but it failed.

I still would have gone back to voting for Nutella the next day, though, I expect.

Golden wrote:I will admit played chicken to see how Epi would vote. I had pushed refresh literally two seconds earlier and the poll was open, epi had voted. By the time I clicked submit it was shut. I had tried to shift my vote back to Neverwhere but it failed.

I still would have gone back to voting for Nutella the next day, though, I expect.

My tie-breaking vote was actually predetermined.

Not by any outside factor, mind you, but by something I had already decided.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:I will admit played chicken to see how Epi would vote. I had pushed refresh literally two seconds earlier and the poll was open, epi had voted. By the time I clicked submit it was shut. I had tried to shift my vote back to Neverwhere but it failed.

I still would have gone back to voting for Nutella the next day, though, I expect.

My tie-breaking vote was actually predetermined.

Not by any outside factor, mind you, but by something I had already decided.

You wouldn't have needed to make it had I switched back to Neverwhere earlier, though, since it would not have broken a tie. It's why I chose to hold out.

Dom wrote: Company – Somebody hold me too close, Somebody hurt me too deep. Bobby has commitment issues. On night 3, Company can establish anonymous BTSC with a player of their choosing.

nutella has had BTSC with a player since night 3. There is no reason to believe that person was civ, or that they're still alive. But it's something.

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote: Company – Somebody hold me too close, Somebody hurt me too deep. Bobby has commitment issues. On night 3, Company can establish anonymous BTSC with a player of their choosing.

nutella has had BTSC with a player since night 3. There is no reason to believe that person was civ, or that they're still alive. But it's something.

There is, in fact, pretty good reason to believe that person is not alive, based on that poll result.

Although I'm kind of laughing at these goons coming in like my vote was worth any more than theirs.

Come on now.

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote: Company – Somebody hold me too close, Somebody hurt me too deep. Bobby has commitment issues. On night 3, Company can establish anonymous BTSC with a player of their choosing.

nutella has had BTSC with a player since night 3. There is no reason to believe that person was civ, or that they're still alive. But it's something.

There is, in fact, pretty good reason to believe that person is not alive, based on that poll result.

Do you mean this most recent poll result?
Also could you elaborate on your thoughts about Ninja for me?

I can now assume that at least 2/3 of the people voting for Neverwhere are confirmed town, which is reassuring. And the third vote is my strongest remaining town read.

I shouldn't really be calling Jay a strong town read. I haven't done all my homework yet. Scratch that blue on my rainbow.

@sloonei - I think elaborating on my thoughts about ninja wouldn't be kosher. I think I left enough breadcrumbs for you to work it out by yourself. JJ did.

Also, to FZ and Scotty. Sorry. FZ could legitimately be Jekyll & Hyde. Given MM's interpretation of the Night 8 kill, I thought that I couldn't with 100% certainly call Scotty civ either. Sloonei was the person whose alignment I felt most certain of. That was the deciding factor for me. All of you I would have genuinely loved to see back.

My thoughts during that day generally - I intended to vote nutella for most of the period. This was primarily because I consider Neverwhere cannot be B & C or Phantom, and her most likely role based on her posts was Wildhorn, thus making her Jekyll, so I felt lynching her wouldn't tell us much. I was won over late in the period by Sloonei's convincing case that she could possibly be Webber.

I'm also pretty sure a gunshot (nightkill night 10) would be inflicted by Bonnie & Clyde, the king and queen of the shootout.

I am also of the opinion that B & C/team wildhorn may have forgotten to put in a kill on night 4 and Dom took pity and allowed them to 'catch up' on night 5, and this might explain the apparent bonus NK attempt on night 5.

I'll look for your breadcrumbs in the morning. I'm tired right now.

Golden wrote: Also, to FZ and Scotty. Sorry. FZ could legitimately be Jekyll & Hyde. Given MM's interpretation of the Night 8 kill, I thought that I couldn't with 100% certainly call Scotty civ either. Sloonei was the person whose alignment I felt most certain of. That was the deciding factor for me. All of you I would have genuinely loved to see back.

At least you didn't bring back that Feline-friendly G-bro. He put up more of a campaign than I did, after all

Oh, JJ - for clarity. Pending Neverwhere's flip in this game, she has never been civilian. She has only been mafia before this game.

Golden wrote: Also, to FZ and Scotty. Sorry. FZ could legitimately be Jekyll & Hyde. Given MM's interpretation of the Night 8 kill, I thought that I couldn't with 100% certainly call Scotty civ either. Sloonei was the person whose alignment I felt most certain of. That was the deciding factor for me. All of you I would have genuinely loved to see back.

I forgive you

Sloonei wrote:I shouldn't really be calling Jay a strong town read. I haven't done all my homework yet. Scratch that blue on my rainbow.

If you think reviewing me is necessary, cool. But I'd recommend doing so soon before I have too many posts to deal with.

That's unfortunate.

Sorry y'all, I'll be busy for the next day or so. Work, going up to Portland to see Rush, good things.

It's Night 11, but we still have a long way to go it seems.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:It's Night 11, but we still have a long way to go it seems.

You and spacedaisy seem to have sat out this last lynch by placing votes on each other. What made you so confident in your case against her that you chose not to vote for either of the two popular choices?

I would ask her the inversed version of this question.

I put my vote on MM because I feel most confident that he is bad. However, I did consider moving my vote to save Nutella because I felt very confident she was civ based on what I know of her meta, but I know as well as anyone that a player can mimic their civ game as a baddie, so that wasn't 100%. If I saved Nutella and you are wrong about neverwhere then it looks like a teammate save, and then both myself (and I know I am civ) and Nutella (who I strongly believed was civ) will be painted a baddies and it hasn't helped. But if instead I did not move my vote, it is a tie and I believed someone would break the tie, giving us some insight to intentions. Honestly I was surprised it went the way it did, I fully expected the tie breaking vote to go to Neverwhere, not Nutella. So that is why I left my vote on MM, my biggest suspect instead of putting it on one of the two leading votes.

I feel very responsible for nutella's lynch frankly, since I might have stopped it.

Your explanation is a good one, and I have a hard time finding you at fault for anything really. But, just for clarification, could you run down the reasons why MM was (and perhaps still is) your top suspect? I have had varying degrees of suspicion about him all game and fresh perspectives never hurt.

Here is a link to my case on MM. But in my attempt to read through the day/night posts I think I see what he is saying about the Night 8. I know I am not in anyway connected to either baddie team however. Even with this aside, I still feel like his actions have been highly questionable since the time I entered the game. I assume no one else is looking at him because something he did early on bought him a lot of civ cred from the currently active players, but judging just from what I have seen since joining, he is acting more suspicious than anyone else currently participating.

Finally caught up, more or less. I think the case on Neverwhere is solid, and the fact that votes for Nutella piled in rather late make me think her teammate (only one, right?) is likely in the Nutella voters. Obviously I'm thinking Splints or Ninja, but Epi's behavior gives me pause as well. He's been playing up the indy angle, but is there any real evidence that he is actually indy?

Hey Marsh and Spacedaisy, are y'all team mates?

I honestly don't have the energy to play this night phase like a JJJ is expected to. It was a long day at work. If anyone has specific questions or requests for me, lemme have 'em. Otherwise I'm here for real-time communication and not intensive thread analysis.

How would you rank the four Nutella voters from least to most suspicious?

Sloonei wrote:How would you rank the four Nutella voters from least to most suspicious?

Good question, because I had all four of them on the town side of my rainbow. Based on their behavior specifically related to nutella, least to most suspicious:

ninja - provided decently substantive reasons for her suspicion and I don't fault her for being unmoved by nutella's appeal to emotion

Golden - seemed to be trying to make the best of his voting power while silenced by rotating it all over the board and finished on the wrong name.

fingersplints - less substantive in her aggression against nutella than ninja and potentially omgus

Epignosis - treated the lynch proceedings like they were happening for his own entertainment

Do you believe Golden when he claims he attempted to switch back to Neverwhere just after the deadline hit?

The only way we are teammates is if I am wrong about him and he is a civ, but I don't believe that to be the case. I am not mafia with Metalmarsh or anyone else. I am town/civ.

I had been trusting of Golden the whole time I was in the game prior to my death, but I have been less a fan of the direction his posts have gone since then. A number of his suspicions have been wrong, and that in itself is enough to raise some alarms. What I find more believable about his account of the end of day proceedings is that he expected Epi to vote for Neverwhere. I would, however, like to hear him explain why he was expecting that particular vote from Epignosis.

Something that I've noticed about niju's and splints's votes is that they both gave the same reason for suspecting Nutella: her suspicion of splints did not seem authentic. Niju stated this reason before fingersplints did, here. Based on this content alone, I am inclined to say that splints was perhaps being a bit opportunistic by latching onto a Nutella bandwagon. I'll hopefully look back through both of their post histories to see how these things look with more context.