The Syndicate

keys56000000000 wrote:That sounds like fun, LC, but I'm not feeling an MP or Chris lynch atm. I want to go in another direction.

Long Con wrote:The real reason I voted for you early was that you potentially outed Amy Pond after I specifically responded to your first insane attempt, warning you against it. Don't do that, that's classic unCivvielike behaviour. Shame on you, so blatant, just out in public like that.

Then there is the fact that you and keys were high up in my own case, The Case Of The Role-Blocked Ruffian. Makes it that much easier for me to say, "Let's lynch this guy. Maybe I'm right. That would be awesome!"

Long Con wrote:The real reason I voted for you early was that you potentially outed Amy Pond after I specifically responded to your first insane attempt, warning you against it. Don't do that, that's classic unCivvielike behaviour. Shame on you, so blatant, just out in public like that.

Then there is the fact that you and keys were high up in my own case, The Case Of The Role-Blocked Ruffian. Makes it that much easier for me to say, "Let's lynch this guy. Maybe I'm right. That would be awesome!"

[Your worrying that the lynch was going to end early was the icing on the cake, it's like, this dude is saying "please don't vote me, I think they're gonna end it early on me, help!", and I was like, "Not today, dude. Today I do what you don't want, because you upset me. Stop this silly lynch talk, Chicken Little."

.... so that's my most honest and exacting explanation of why it is that my vote is still sitting on your ass, Chris. I assure you that it is as perfect an explanation as I can recollect from this morning. You know how it is.

I'm going to leave that vote right where it is for now. Feel free to keep reacting in whatever way you think is sound.

Epignosis wrote:I am not a robot.

Like, how many times do I have to say it?

Chris wrote:

Long Con wrote:The real reason I voted for you early was that you potentially outed Amy Pond after I specifically responded to your first insane attempt, warning you against it. Don't do that, that's classic unCivvielike behaviour. Shame on you, so blatant, just out in public like that.

But I didn't potentially out Amy Pond. As keys said, if I did anything, it was the first step of a long process that would be required to figure that out. And who even knows if Amy Pond is even alive. I think that is your convenient excuse to keep people from figuring out that you have extra votes to play with. And the last lynch being a tie was exactly what you DIDN'T want. Which is why you didn't want anyone asking questions about ties.

[It directly followed what looks like a really waffley, changing, overly verbal explanation of why you survived, which I agree was supicious. Why jump around like that if you're not hiding something? I dunno, but that factor added weight to the idea you were the guy for me, easy enough to go with due to my elevated anger toward you from the Amy Pond Incident.[\quote]

So the fact that I survived, and didn't come right into the thread and out my role was what really did it for you? "Waffely, changing, overly verbal explanation"? Here are all three of my posts before you voted me:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 615#p90615
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 617#p90617
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 630#p90630

I didn't waffle. I didn't change. It wasn't overly verbal. I said that there were plenty of ways I could have survived. Why is my death any more suspicious than anyone else who survived a night kill? (I know why, but I want to hear you say it) Plus, nice job using my survival against me anyway. Now I'd love to hear why you don't suspect BR or Elo....

Then there is the fact that you and keys were high up in my own case, The Case Of The Role-Blocked Ruffian. Makes it that much easier for me to say, "Let's lynch this guy. Maybe I'm right. That would be awesome!"

You're what? I have no idea what you're talking about. keys, you know anything about this?

[Your worrying that the lynch was going to end early was the icing on the cake, it's like, this dude is saying "please don't vote me, I think they're gonna end it early on me, help!", and I was like, "Not today, dude. Today I do what you don't want, because you upset me. Stop this silly lynch talk, Chicken Little."

.... so that's my most honest and exacting explanation of why it is that my vote is still sitting on your ass, Chris. I assure you that it is as perfect an explanation as I can recollect from this morning. You know how it is.

I'm going to leave that vote right where it is for now. Feel free to keep reacting in whatever way you think is sound.

My worrying about a lynch ending early was only added after I saw MP vote me, and I had no time to defend against it. And, why vote so early anyway? But then when I voted him back, and you rushed to his rescue... well... that was just an awesome unintended side effect.

Thanks for that!

Really, what I see in your explanation is a quickly cooked up case to vote someone early to hide a ulterior motivated vote.


LINKI @ SVS: See, now that's something I can see someone accusing me of. I'm not The Master of course, but I can see how you can think so. I didn't vote for MM. I went for Epig without much reason other than I was tired of hearing about the lie detector shit, and he was acting differently enough for me to vote him just to end it. It wasn't a great reason, but I also didn't care who was lynched between the two of them.

Looking back at who The Master targeted, I don't have much to say in defense, since I can't say I did much in regards to them. The Master targeted Rico, and I was for a Rico lynch... so there's not much else there. The problem with being accused of being the indy role is it's tough to defend against. Especially when SVS puts it the way she did.

But I'm not The Master.








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Chris wrote:I really hate to add this, but I will. The role for The Master says that he will survive the first three attempts on his life. That's not just NKs. That's lynches too. Keep that in mind when you're looking for him.

Me? I'll die if you lynch me. But if you really think I'm The Master, then I won't die if lynched... so why try? Let's kill a baddie!

Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?

Chris wrote:

Chris wrote:I'm not sure. I was thinking that the pole and being a lot earlier than everybody thought they'd be screwed them up. There's a lot of boat changing and I don't think they ever intended for it to be tied since that exposes too much information. And we all know that information in a mafia game is a civvies best friend.

I was thinking that the poll ending a lot earlier than everybody thought it would be, screwed them up. There's been a lot of vote changing, and I don't think they ever intended for it to be tied since that exposes too much information. And we all know that information in a mafia game is a civvie's best friend.

I think what may have happened is that LC voted on the poll for Epig, but put his extra vote/s on MM. That's why he was so concerned about any info getting out about the vote being tied.

And, I don't have any real evidence that there can or will be an early end to the day, but when 2 of the 4 people who can kill in the game target you in one night, you tend to worry for your life. But I did find it interesting that as soon as I put the vote on MP, LC was right there to put another vote on me. And his post, he seems so sure of who I am. So sure, in fact, he's got to vote me nearly 36 hours ahead of time.

But what I really think happened is,m I'm not sure if they really think I'm The Master or not, but they know for damn sure I'm not a Cyberman. So there's no way I survived the dual NK kill attempts by being The Cyber Controller. So they're not sure who I am, but I could be The Master. But in case that's too easy to defend, they threw out that I could also be The Cyber Controller, and now there's ABSOLUTELY no reason to wait to vote for me.

But I feel that they may have believed me about the vote ending early, and that would mean that I'd be in a tie with MP, leaving it to a coin flip. That's too much of a chance for MP. And what I was Amy Pond? Well, shit, they'd need more than just another vote. So in comes LC, with his extra vote/s, making sure that even if I was Amy Pond, if the day ended early, I'd still have more votes.

And why would they be concerned that I'm Amy Pond? Because I've been asking about the votes, since if I was Amy Pond, and Epig wasn't lynched, then I'd be wondering why, wouldn't I?

So what happens? A sudden rush of people who are convinced that I'm either The Master or The Cyber Controller. And then suddenly, no one is talking about MP or Epig anymore.

My thoughts on who the Cybermen are?

The Cyber Controller - MP
The Cyberman Head - LC
Cyberman 1 & 2 - Epig and either Hedgie or Dom.



To answer the other questions... first thing I need to know... Am I being accused of being The Master or THe Cyber Controller? Because I need to know which one to defend against.

But I would love to add that it's nice how I survive a NK, and suddenly I must be bad. Why can't I be Sarah or Jack? If I was Sarah, maybe by NK attempts failed because of the 50%. Maybe if I was Jack, the Cyberman kill failed, and the Strax kill was missed because I'm civvie? Strax's kill could have missed because I'm a civvie Sarah as well! Then there are secrets that we still don't know about, and secret roles apparently as well!

I wasn't clear on my survival for a few reason Juliets. First, I don't want to role hint, much less out my own role. Second, if other players with killing powers think for a second that I am The Cyber Controller, they'd be less inclined to target me. So I didn't mind the vagueness.

I am not a baddie. The Cybermen tried to kill me because I'm getting too close. I survived because of my role. Strax tried to kill me because he's either a nub, or his target got redirected. I survived because I am a civ.

Just keep this in mind. If I somehow do get lynched, just go back and look at how the rush to judgement came, and look at who did it. They want me dead, and the NKs failed. They know I can't survive a lynch, and they're trying to strike while the iron is hot.

I will show up civvie if lynched. I can only hope you all will know what to do afterward.

I have nothing to hide, ask me any questions you want.

Hedgeowl wrote: It feels like a team "no u" just a bit.

Your posting is screaming desperate right now, which I get, but it doesn't make me feel better.

Chris wrote:But "the warning"? Since when do I have to heed anyone's "warning" in this game? What, LC "warns" me that I shouldn't ask about the tie, and because I do, I'm a baddie? Am I not supposed to look into Cybermen hidden added votes? How does that make sense?

Long Con wrote:Well, there's not knowing if the lynch was a tie, which means the Cyber baddie team does not know if Amy Pond's vote affected the lynch.

And then there's confirmation for the Cyber baddie team that Amy Pond affected, giving them information on the identity of a Civvie whose power, by your own recent statement, is increasingly powerful as endgame approaches.

In my opinion, it is better for the Civvies that Amy Pond remains more covert, and more likely to survive until that late game where her vote can make a big difference.

Asking for the results of the lynch to be revealed opened the door to the possibility of a greater baddie advantage. You created a situation where the baddies could win, where they would have lost. Twist it and stretch it any way you like, that's what you did, it is a fact.

keys56000000000 wrote:Just playing devil's advocate here; It seems just as likely that Chris opened the door to a situaton where the civvies win where they might have lost. Things are not hopeless just yet. We just have to be lucky.

Chris wrote:The argument isn't going to change. I'm not going to allow those guys to ramp me up to the point where I sound maniacal and desperate.

If anyone has any other questions for me, ask away.

If not, and you guy do lynch me, just remember who I named, and how this shit went down.

CyberHead Role Description wrote:If you manage to find your body (a randomly determined event) at some point in the game, you gain an extra amount of votes for the next lynch determined by how many members of your team are still alive.

Chris wrote:

Chris wrote:I'm not sure. I was thinking that the pole and being a lot earlier than everybody thought they'd be screwed them up. There's a lot of boat changing and I don't think they ever intended for it to be tied since that exposes too much information. And we all know that information in a mafia game is a civvies best friend.

I was thinking that the poll ending a lot earlier than everybody thought it would be, screwed them up. There's been a lot of vote changing, and I don't think they ever intended for it to be tied since that exposes too much information. And we all know that information in a mafia game is a civvie's best friend.

I think what may have happened is that LC voted on the poll for Epig, but put his extra vote/s on MM. That's why he was so concerned about any info getting out about the vote being tied.

And, I don't have any real evidence that there can or will be an early end to the day, but when 2 of the 4 people who can kill in the game target you in one night, you tend to worry for your life. But I did find it interesting that as soon as I put the vote on MP, LC was right there to put another vote on me. And his post, he seems so sure of who I am. So sure, in fact, he's got to vote me nearly 36 hours ahead of time.

But what I really think happened is,m I'm not sure if they really think I'm The Master or not, but they know for damn sure I'm not a Cyberman. So there's no way I survived the dual NK kill attempts by being The Cyber Controller. So they're not sure who I am, but I could be The Master. But in case that's too easy to defend, they threw out that I could also be The Cyber Controller, and now there's ABSOLUTELY no reason to wait to vote for me.

But I feel that they may have believed me about the vote ending early, and that would mean that I'd be in a tie with MP, leaving it to a coin flip. That's too much of a chance for MP. And what I was Amy Pond? Well, shit, they'd need more than just another vote. So in comes LC, with his extra vote/s, making sure that even if I was Amy Pond, if the day ended early, I'd still have more votes.

And why would they be concerned that I'm Amy Pond? Because I've been asking about the votes, since if I was Amy Pond, and Epig wasn't lynched, then I'd be wondering why, wouldn't I?

So what happens? A sudden rush of people who are convinced that I'm either The Master or The Cyber Controller. And then suddenly, no one is talking about MP or Epig anymore.

My thoughts on who the Cybermen are?

The Cyber Controller - MP
The Cyberman Head - LC
Cyberman 1 & 2 - Epig and either Hedgie or Dom.



To answer the other questions... first thing I need to know... Am I being accused of being The Master or THe Cyber Controller? Because I need to know which one to defend against.

But I would love to add that it's nice how I survive a NK, and suddenly I must be bad. Why can't I be Sarah or Jack? If I was Sarah, maybe by NK attempts failed because of the 50%. Maybe if I was Jack, the Cyberman kill failed, and the Strax kill was missed because I'm civvie? Strax's kill could have missed because I'm a civvie Sarah as well! Then there are secrets that we still don't know about, and secret roles apparently as well!

I wasn't clear on my survival for a few reason Juliets. First, I don't want to role hint, much less out my own role. Second, if other players with killing powers think for a second that I am The Cyber Controller, they'd be less inclined to target me. So I didn't mind the vagueness.

I am not a baddie. The Cybermen tried to kill me because I'm getting too close. I survived because of my role. Strax tried to kill me because he's either a nub, or his target got redirected. I survived because I am a civ.

Just keep this in mind. If I somehow do get lynched, just go back and look at how the rush to judgement came, and look at who did it. They want me dead, and the NKs failed. They know I can't survive a lynch, and they're trying to strike while the iron is hot.

I will show up civvie if lynched. I can only hope you all will know what to do afterward.

I have nothing to hide, ask me any questions you want.

Chris wrote: So, for all the chance that I can be Th Cyber Controller, there's even more chance that I can be Sarah or Jack.

Obviously I know which one I am...

Chris wrote:I really hate to add this, but I will. The role for The Master says that he will survive the first three attempts on his life. That's not just NKs. That's lynches too. Keep that in mind when you're looking for him.

Me? I'll die if you lynch me. But if you really think I'm The Master, then I won't die if lynched... so why try? Let's kill a baddie!

Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?

Chris wrote:The argument isn't going to change. I'm not going to allow those guys to ramp me up to the point where I sound maniacal and desperate.

If anyone has any other questions for me, ask away.

If not, and you guy do lynch me, just remember who I named, and how this shit went down.

Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?

Long Con wrote:

CyberHead Role Description wrote:If you manage to find your body (a randomly determined event) at some point in the game, you gain an extra amount of votes for the next lynch determined by how many members of your team are still alive.

Ok, so maybe the extra votes can go where the Cyber Head didn't publicly vote. So I'm no more exonerated from being the Head than anyone else, and looking at the MM voters doesn't mean nearly as much. Why are you so sure the Cyber Head has even found its body? It's randomly determined. I picture something like one player in the game has the Body, and the Head searches one per night for it. Or some variation on that sort of 'Searchy' role.

Wait, so if the Cyber Head doesn't have to vote where the extra votes are, then Chris please explain to me how the Civvies can have an advantage from revealing the lynch info? How do we catch the baddie in that "hope we got lucky devil's advocate" thing keys posted?

Hedgeowl wrote:

Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?

Sorry I am still recovering from your latest defense, "dont lynch me because i will die, but if i am the Master why bother?"

I just finished reading through some loooong posts, but to start its not that you survived an NK, its that you survived 2 NKs. Big difference. If you had just survived a strax kill no biggie, you'd probably be civ, but the cybers tried to kill you on the same night? They have a live role checker on their team and if they learned you were the master, they would know just leading your lynch wouldnt be enough. I dont think the argument you are the Cyber controller works, because um, why would you target yourself, but the Master is a real possibility. I am willing to consider civ options, but its a really hard position to defend from i know.

DFaraday wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?

Sorry I am still recovering from your latest defense, "dont lynch me because i will die, but if i am the Master why bother?"

I just finished reading through some loooong posts, but to start its not that you survived an NK, its that you survived 2 NKs. Big difference. If you had just survived a strax kill no biggie, you'd probably be civ, but the cybers tried to kill you on the same night? They have a live role checker on their team and if they learned you were the master, they would know just leading your lynch wouldnt be enough. I dont think the argument you are the Cyber controller works, because um, why would you target yourself, but the Master is a real possibility. I am willing to consider civ options, but its a really hard position to defend from i know.

In response to the bolded, it would not be unheard of for a team to "target" a member of their team, knowing full well that that person will survive, so I wouldn't write off Chris as a Cyberman just yet.

Speaking of, I want to point out that Sarah Jane's role says she can survive "alien" attacks. The Cybermen are not aliens, so I wonder whether Sarah can survive being targeted by them. If not, that just makes Chris look even shadier.

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?

Sorry I am still recovering from your latest defense, "dont lynch me because i will die, but if i am the Master why bother?"

I just finished reading through some loooong posts, but to start its not that you survived an NK, its that you survived 2 NKs. Big difference. If you had just survived a strax kill no biggie, you'd probably be civ, but the cybers tried to kill you on the same night? They have a live role checker on their team and if they learned you were the master, they would know just leading your lynch wouldnt be enough. I dont think the argument you are the Cyber controller works, because um, why would you target yourself, but the Master is a real possibility. I am willing to consider civ options, but its a really hard position to defend from i know.

In response to the bolded, it would not be unheard of for a team to "target" a member of their team, knowing full well that that person will survive, so I wouldn't write off Chris as a Cyberman just yet.

Speaking of, I want to point out that Sarah Jane's role says she can survive "alien" attacks. The Cybermen are not aliens, so I wonder whether Sarah can survive being targeted by them. If not, that just makes Chris look even shadier.

DF, were you on my team in supernatural, I can't remember.

DFaraday wrote:
I wasn't in Supernatural, although it sounds like something I should have been in.

Chris wrote:Dom, ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?

Chris wrote:I didn't vote MM. That can make me look like The Master. But I'm not. SVS can be right about rey quitting regarldless of the role, but I know I wouldn't quit with that role. Most people wouldn't quit with that role. It's rare to get a role like that, and I believe anyone who enjoys mafia would relish a chance to play a role like that. Just think about it... there was no lull in the actions of The Master. Think about how I'm playing, those of you who know my playstyle. Do you really think I'm playing the Indy role? I had the indy role in 6 Feet Under... was I playing like this?

reywaS wrote:hello

reywaS wrote:

Enrique wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Honestly, if 15 out of 31 players missed the D1 vote and I was hosting, I'd be half tempted to just modkill them all. That's insane.

DF and MR both for themselves, Roxy randomized, a few drive-bys. Yeah not a great round for votes.

As far as I can tell the following players didn't vote:

BR
Boogs
splints
Gotrees
Hedge
keys
LC
Made
MM
rey
Snow Dog

So that's 11, not 15. MM and Hedge just hardly missed it, Gotrees hasn't been around at all, can't remember seeing rey either? Splints and Keys at least we know are busy. Surprised Made didn't vote, really, he's been talking a fair bit.

linki: RIP juliets. Honestly thought we'd get a Day 1 baddie this time.