Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

[Golden]

I don't think I fit in here. </3

Don't be silly, you're not that fat.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think I fit in here. </3

Sure you do. It's a new shenanigan for many, but I think we're all glad you're here playing the game with us.

I am going to say what I wanted to say then because the link to the other game will still be pertinent anyway.

[DrWilgy]

What have I missed?

[Marmot]

What have I missed?

Spoiler: show

[Quin]

What have I missed?

the marmot slipped you as his teammate.

[DrWilgy]

What have I missed?

Spoiler: show

Oh shit. Kk, I'll try to read.

[Marmot]

We love you Dizzy! And your hair.

[Silver Lantern]

Can't access pc at work. Will be back in 4-5 hours. Town motive for fakeslip is scum knows I'm not scum, so the reactions can be read into. Alternate motive: lol. Plus, lol nobody is that stupid, not even me. Laterz. Sorry if I've majorly derailed, thought it wouldn't be as conrtovertial.

How, can the reactions be read into? Can you elaborate?

So we're you doing it for the "lol" or for "reactions can be read into" and if the latter, what do you read into the reactions you've gotten so far?

P.S. Anyone know why I have to hit submit twice sometimes?

[DrWilgy]

What have I missed?

the marmot slipped you as his teammate.

Oh. That's nothing new.

[Quin]

Can't access pc at work. Will be back in 4-5 hours. Town motive for fakeslip is scum knows I'm not scum, so the reactions can be read into. Alternate motive: lol. Plus, lol nobody is that stupid, not even me. Laterz. Sorry if I've majorly derailed, thought it wouldn't be as conrtovertial.

How, can the reactions be read into? Can you elaborate?

So we're you doing it for the "lol" or for "reactions can be read into" and if the latter, what do you read into the reactions you've gotten so far?

P.S. Anyone know why I have to hit submit twice sometimes?

I just had this problem. I don't have an answer though. It's as wonky as when linki doesn't show up sometimes.

[Marmot]

What have I missed?

the marmot slipped you as his teammate.

I had to do it to him before he did it to me.

[Quin]

What have I missed?

the marmot slipped you as his teammate.

I had to do it to him before he did it to me.

It was my turn though.

[Golden]

Can't access pc at work. Will be back in 4-5 hours. Town motive for fakeslip is scum knows I'm not scum, so the reactions can be read into. Alternate motive: lol. Plus, lol nobody is that stupid, not even me. Laterz. Sorry if I've majorly derailed, thought it wouldn't be as conrtovertial.

How, can the reactions be read into? Can you elaborate?

So we're you doing it for the "lol" or for "reactions can be read into" and if the latter, what do you read into the reactions you've gotten so far?

P.S. Anyone know why I have to hit submit twice sometimes?

If someone posts in between, it will show them first so you can choose to address them or not post after all.

[Marmot]

Can't access pc at work. Will be back in 4-5 hours. Town motive for fakeslip is scum knows I'm not scum, so the reactions can be read into. Alternate motive: lol. Plus, lol nobody is that stupid, not even me. Laterz. Sorry if I've majorly derailed, thought it wouldn't be as conrtovertial.

How, can the reactions be read into? Can you elaborate?

So we're you doing it for the "lol" or for "reactions can be read into" and if the latter, what do you read into the reactions you've gotten so far?

P.S. Anyone know why I have to hit submit twice sometimes?

If someone else posts while you're writing a post, your post won't go through, as it'll warn you about new unread posts.

You can choose to reply to them (we add a tag at the bottom we call linki:) or just submit through anyway.

Linki: Prime example right here. Golden beat me to it.

[Quin]

lol if he was talking about linki. I actually had a problem where I clicked submit but nothing happened.

[Marmot]

What have I missed?

the marmot slipped you as his teammate.

I had to do it to him before he did it to me.

It was my turn though.

This is a two-way affair. Is there room for another Sentinel?

[Long Con]

I'm okay with that response, LC. I don't think you're a Day 1 lynch type guy anyway.

Well, sometimes. It has been a while. That's a funny thing to say though.

And you guys are posting a lot for it being so late. Can't get a post in for linkitis. Of course, I'm Mafia-ing, catching up on TV, drinking with my wife, and by the time I type a post, there's 20 posts to catch up on!

Dyslexicon, I don't want you to be soured on this site over this Scumslip Issue. Just take 20 seconds and link the game where you did it before. I am not finding your explanation to be all that compelling. How do you catch Mafia with it if EVERYONE is suspicious of you for it? You're so blasé about the whole thing, where you need to be forthcoming. Surely you can see that.

Alternatively, call upon some players who regularly play with you (there's some here, right? Fredwood, Stonehenge... JJJ, right?) and have them vouch for this being a normal, unsuspicious thing where you come from. I really prefer not to slam-lynch you when it's going to make you hate us, but you have to give us something.

Make this make sense. You have to be capable of that, if you're going to intentionally fake-slip for *reasons*.

[DrWilgy]

What have I missed?

the marmot slipped you as his teammate.

I had to do it to him before he did it to me.

It was my turn though.

They'll lynch all 3 of us if we aren't careful.

Linki - Marmot I thought we had an open relationship.

[Marmot]

lol if he was talking about linki. I actually had a problem where I clicked submit but nothing happened.

You need to work on your cursor accuracy.

[Quin]

What have I missed?

the marmot slipped you as his teammate.

I had to do it to him before he did it to me.

It was my turn though.

This is a two-way affair. Is there room for another Sentinel?

Myers Briggs says yes.

[Quin]

lol if he was talking about linki. I actually had a problem where I clicked submit but nothing happened.

You need to work on your cursor accuracy.

I put all my skill points into strength. I'm a lost cause.

[Long Con]

Fun fact: "Linkitis" was coined WAY back on Lostpedia Forums, where, for many of us, the concept of online Mafia was born. There was a player named Link McCloud who regularly was tripped up by posting when other posts had been made since the time he pressed 'Reply'. That's why we call it linkitis to this day.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some thoughts regarding the "slip":

~ To make the mistake being associated with Dizzy here, to accidentally reveal the number of players on the mafia team in a closed setup, would be a very rookie error. If you, dear reader, have played in a closed setup before even once, I think it would be difficult for you to make that mistake. This demands a total ignorance of the OP both now and in the sign-up thread. It demands a total ignorance of what's happening in the mafia BTSC, where the dialogue isn't likely to have strayed 100% away from the notion of the setup being closed. Dizzy is not a rookie: this is a player who participated in the same championship tournament that Golden, Sloonei, and Nacho just did in 2016. It is technically plausible that this was a mistake that Dizzy feels very silly right now -- but it'd probably be among their biggest flops ever as a player. It'd fit that description for anyone who made that mistake.

~ Fake slips are not an usual thing. I wouldn't say I see them all the time in closed setups, but it's not something I am ever going to be surprised to encounter. It's as much a matter of personality as it is that the setup is closed: some people just like to draw negative attention to themselves because it's funny and because there are reactive qualities to that behavior. I am not personally the type to do that stuff, but I have known a number of players who are.

~ If there is a concern that I have here with Dizzy, it's that they employed this "method" that can be a way to lure people into a trap (to make oneself an easy button target and then watch who capitalizes) and after the fact have no reads to show for it. They've expressed some "disappointment" with Golden, but not by qualifying that as a scum read -- indeed there are no reads to be found. So if this was a fake slip for the sake of seeing what happens, it would appear nothing happened; this is hard to understand considering the flurry of votes and suspicion that followed it. Please talk about that Dizzy.

And all this said, I still demand the link to the game you mentioned, Dizzy. I will harp on this until the link is on my computer screen.

[Quin]

Fun fact: "Linkitis" was coined WAY back on Lostpedia Forums, where, for many of us, the concept of online Mafia was born. There was a player named Link McCloud who regularly was tripped up by posting when other posts had been made since the time he pressed 'Reply'. That's why we call it linkitis to this day.

That is one fun fact.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alternatively, call upon some players who regularly play with you (there's some here, right? Fredwood, Stonehenge... JJJ, right?)

I don't believe anyone in this game regularly plays with Dizzy, though I could be wrong. This is my first game with them, after only having hosted them in the scrimmage. Hopefully that changes!

[Quin]

Peeps, what do we all think of what I said about Fredwood?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

~ Fake slips are not an unusual thing.

Fixed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Peeps, what do we all think of what I said about Fredwood?

I just looked back and I don't quite understand what you're saying. Could you expand on your point?

[Golden]

Jays post I don't agree with. I would make that kind of slip. It's exactly the kind of slip I would make. That's in part why it was compelling to me. I don't think you can look to objective criteria for whether it's real or fake. It needs to be judged on dizzys reactions.

Having said that, the manner of dizzys responses feels honest to me (particularly the surprise at the heat he's taken). The link is important too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jays post I don't agree with. I would make that kind of slip. It's exactly the kind of slip I would make. That's in part why it was compelling to me. I don't think you can look to objective criteria for whether it's real or fake. It needs to be judged on dizzys reactions.

Maybe you feel that way because you've played in fewer closed setups. I don't think you'd make that slip.

[Marmot]

Jays post I don't agree with. I would make that kind of slip. It's exactly the kind of slip I would make. That's in part why it was compelling to me. I don't think you can look to objective criteria for whether it's real or fake. It needs to be judged on dizzys reactions.

Having said that, the manner of dizzys responses feels honest to me (particularly the surprise at the heat he's taken). The link is important too.

So why didn't you make a slip?

[Quin]

Peeps, what do we all think of what I said about Fredwood?

I just looked back and I don't quite understand what you're saying. Could you expand on your point?

I'm saying that Fredwood gave a soft defence of Dyslexicon while simultaneously using his lack of familiarity with the people in the game as a reason to 'defer' from taking a stance. Never mind that in 'deferring' to give his opinion, he already did.

[Golden]

Jays post I don't agree with. I would make that kind of slip. It's exactly the kind of slip I would make. That's in part why it was compelling to me. I don't think you can look to objective criteria for whether it's real or fake. It needs to be judged on dizzys reactions.

Maybe you feel that way because you've played in fewer closed setups. I don't think you'd make that slip.

You overestimate me!

But it could be unfamiliarity with closed set ups.

[Quin]

I don't find Dys's posts since the slip to be particularly compelling. I've seen the 'Nobody's that dumb' defence twice.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Peeps, what do we all think of what I said about Fredwood?

I just looked back and I don't quite understand what you're saying. Could you expand on your point?

I'm saying that Fredwood gave a soft defence of Dyslexicon while simultaneously using his lack of familiarity with the people in the game as a reason to 'defer' from taking a stance. Never mind that in 'deferring' to give his opinion, he already did.

I don't see the post in a bad light. I see a guy who is confused by a supposed blatant slip happening from a player he doesn't know, and feeling obliged to defer to the people who know him better (Fredwood doesn't know how new Dizzy is to The Syndicate). I'd like to see Fred answer to your accusation though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't find Dys's posts since the slip to be particularly compelling. I've seen the 'Nobody's that dumb' defence twice.

Do you disagree with the notion that it would be a very dumb error?

[Golden]

Jays post I don't agree with. I would make that kind of slip. It's exactly the kind of slip I would make. That's in part why it was compelling to me. I don't think you can look to objective criteria for whether it's real or fake. It needs to be judged on dizzys reactions.

Having said that, the manner of dizzys responses feels honest to me (particularly the surprise at the heat he's taken). The link is important too.

So why didn't you make a slip?

don't get what you mean.

You remember the one I made in Gentleman's Guide.

[Quin]

I don't know Dyslexicon either, and it didn't make it any less of a slip in my eyes.

linki: No. It would be a dumb error.

[Long Con]

Yes, the link is an easy way out for Dizzy. Very necessary at this point, twenty seconds, easy.

I don't find Dys's posts since the slip to be particularly compelling. I've seen the 'Nobody's that dumb' defence twice.

I have slipped before. It happens. I've been that dumb.

My last slip was something like "Spacedaisy wasn't an info role, so why believe her over Wilgy?.... uh, I meant, she's not a revealed info role... yeah, that's it."

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be more clear:

I do think slips happen. Rarely. In my last scum game on RYM I slipped and got away with it. It wasn't something supremely obvious though like how many members my team had, or the contents of my role card, or any of the other stuff typically associated with a "slip". My slip was making a fake gun to head read and then forgetting about it soon thereafter, allowing for a huge contradiction. It's still a slip, but it's more complex than essentially handing my alignment to the civilians on a silver platter.

Most of the time I feel like slip accusations are focused on the silver platter. I may have seen one or two true silver platter slips in my life.

[Quin]

I made a very dumb error in ASOUE when I outed that LC had the bowl that protected him from all night actions. I do not think that I'd have done it. But I did.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yes, the link is an easy way out for Dizzy. Very necessary at this point, twenty seconds, easy.

They said they can't at work. It'll be a while.

[Long Con]

Dyslexicon, do you drink and Mafia? I think my slips happen most when I do. Anyways, get that link, I really want to let you off for this, I'm going to bed now, good night.

I want you to fit in here, don't be discouraged by speed bumps. We will incorporate your style into our games, as long as you aren't ika and silverwolf.

[Long Con]

Yes, the link is an easy way out for Dizzy. Very necessary at this point, twenty seconds, easy.

They said they can't at work. It'll be a while.

That's cool - I didn't mean twenty seconds from my post. The day is long.

[Quin]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I made a very dumb error in ASOUE when I outed that LC had the bowl that protected him from all night actions. I do not think that I'd have done it. But I did.

That's way more specific than telling everyone how many people are on your team.

[Quin]

I made a very dumb error in ASOUE when I outed that LC had the bowl that protected him from all night actions. I do not think that I'd have done it. But I did.

That's way more specific than telling everyone how many people are on your team.

Okay.

[Golden]

My last slip was something like "Spacedaisy wasn't an info role, so why believe her over Wilgy?.... uh, I meant, she's not a revealed info role... yeah, that's it."

Mine was publicly stating Dom's role when I knew what it was but he died without it flipping. I do believe the 'silver platter' slips are much more likely to be real than the slightly obtuse ones.

But this is really kind of academic, because Dizzy can prove he does these things tactically. He's claimed he's used those exact same numbers as a fake slip as town in another game, so we see that and this goes away.

linki - yes, I'm patient. There's plenty of time, no real rush. We have spent too much time on this already. Honestly, I've spent too much of my brain analytics time on this, I feel like I'm lacking in reads.

Re Fredwood - He showed deference and self-deprecation in the sign up thread as well, so the post reads 'in character' to me.

I don't have time to post reads tonight, but I'm going to try and do a reads post before work in the morning, at least for those who have been around.

[Golden]

Another quick hit, though. I like Quin so far.

[Marmot]

Jays post I don't agree with. I would make that kind of slip. It's exactly the kind of slip I would make. That's in part why it was compelling to me. I don't think you can look to objective criteria for whether it's real or fake. It needs to be judged on dizzys reactions.

Having said that, the manner of dizzys responses feels honest to me (particularly the surprise at the heat he's taken). The link is important too.

So why didn't you make a slip?

don't get what you mean.

You remember the one I made in Gentleman's Guide.

I do remember it. I bussed you for it.

I gather that you think Dizzy made a fakeslip. I also thought you were asserting you would make a fakeslip. I think I misread your post.



I can't recall ever scumslipping to be honest. I probably have, but I really can't remember an instance of doing it.