The Syndicate

Roxy wrote:Thats my point Sockdude. He put out a lot of 'theories' to see what sticks if nothing did he moved on. Flinging mud is flinging mud after all.

Interesting point. I'll read through him again really quickly before the poll is over and see if I can spot anything suspicious, but upon first read, I didn't see anything. I'm still most leaning Snow Dog, but I don't feel really great about his chances of being bad.

Well, here's what I noticed about Epig and Elohcin - which I confirmed when I went back and did a reread. They basically had completely parallel thoughts, parallel posts, parallel theories and parallel votes. I realize that couples do begin to think alike over the years, but this was more than that, in my opinion. I also noted some defending, which is playing into my thoughts much less than the other issues. There's a connection there that just doesn't sit well with me.

I will wait a few more minutes to vote, but not many.


Linki & such.

indiglo wrote:Well, here's what I noticed about Epig and Elohcin - which I confirmed when I went back and did a reread. They basically had completely parallel thoughts, parallel posts, parallel theories and parallel votes. I realize that couples do begin to think alike over the years, but this was more than that, in my opinion. I also noted some defending, which is playing into my thoughts much less than the other issues. There's a connection there that just doesn't sit well with me.

I will wait a few more minutes to vote, but not many.


Linki & such.

Okay, I quickly went back through Robert's posts, and I think what strikes me more so was the way he responded to He-Man, not his initial theory. I think it was the fact that he failed to say anything regarding actual current happenings in the game that seems of note to me.

This is an interesting thought. I remember being pinged by one post of Elohcin's that I highlighted a while back. Let me check real quick.

He-Man coming after me and not thellama73 smells fishy to me. I was set to vote him, but I'm so uneasy about it. It was almost like he wanted me to vote for him.

Russtifinko wrote:Ugh, so much going on....

*Voting llama* because his vote for DP without responding to my concern about his train of thought pinged me like crazy. I think a number of the other suspicions going around have merit, but for now that was what got me the most.

That bothered me as well. I listed people, yes, but I said I wanted to hear what they had to say. I wanted to spur conversation (and we got that in spades, I think- good grief!).

I'm going to go with you on this, Russ, and vote for thellama73.

Alright, running out of time, so I had to go ahead and vote.

*votes Epig*



I'm crossing my fingers!

I voted for Epignosis. I do think he's pulled a NO U by still focusing on He-Man. I wanted to give him the BOTD, and now he implies something about how He-Man wanted to be voted for. That last post of his smells really fishy to me. Before that, not quite as much, but I can kinda see how it all adds up, ESPECIALLY if you look at both Epignosis and Elohcin. In fact, Elohcin seems much more suspect. She comes in here and says something about how she has no idea who to vote for, which I questioned her, that she had no idea "what the hell" about the Day 0 poll and she voted... ship. I think this makes more sense to me than llama or Snow Dog. Let's hope it's right and that you guys were onto something here.

indiglo wrote:Alright, running out of time, so I had to go ahead and vote.

*votes Epig*



I'm crossing my fingers!

Thanks for waiting it out and talking with me, I think I feel better about this. Fingers crossed.

Hmmm... MoPi voted Epig while he was "going back to check something real quick". That does not give me the warm fuzzies, because there's only 1 mafia team in this game.

indiglo wrote:Hmmm... MoPi voted Epig while he was "going back to check something real quick". That does not give me the warm fuzzies, because there's only 1 mafia team in this game.

I'm sorry? What do you mean?

I went back to look at all of his in-topic posts and then I looked at Elohcin's.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

indiglo wrote:Alright, running out of time, so I had to go ahead and vote.

*votes Epig*



I'm crossing my fingers!

Thanks for waiting it out and talking with me, I think I feel better about this. Fingers crossed.

I wasn't waiting on you, I was waiting to hear something from Epig. I like how you didn't post your vote in the thread. I don't feel quite as good about voting Epig anymore.

Snow Dog wrote:Voted reywaS

Love the "implied" No U.

indiglo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

indiglo wrote:Alright, running out of time, so I had to go ahead and vote.

*votes Epig*



I'm crossing my fingers!

Thanks for waiting it out and talking with me, I think I feel better about this. Fingers crossed.

I wasn't waiting on you, I was waiting to hear something from Epig. I like how you didn't post your vote in the thread. I don't feel quite as good about voting Epig anymore.

I was typing up my post literally as I voted, it took me a while, sorry. I was trying to get it posted in time so you'd see it but it took too long; I should have just posted I voted Epig and then clarified thereafter. Why would you not feel good about it anymore? Why do you people keep reading my intentions as sinister?

My vote was between llama and Robert, given the vote count, and I do not currently think llama is bad. I'm willing to put trust in the evaluation on Epig, even though I didn't get it, because of the connection to Elohcin and the review of Epig's posts did make me wonder just a bit that I was giving him too much of a pass.

Indi, here's what I don't get. Epig's last post was by far his most suspicious one, in my opinion, and it sort of sealed the deal for me. Why would you feel not so good about it after that one?

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Poll ended at Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:27 pm

Ambray 0 No votes

birdwithteeth11 1 Ambray (8) 4%

Blindfaeth 0 No votes

Boogs 0 No votes

Disgruntled Porcupine 2 thellama73 (5), Elohcin (16) 8%

Elohcin 0 No votes

Epignosis 5 He-Man (9), Flyin' High (12), Roxy (20), MovingPictures07 (21), indiglo (23) 21%

Flyin' High 0 No votes

He-Man 1 >SpaghettiEverywhere (13) 4%

Indiglo 0 No votes

Little Tiger 0 No votes

MovingPictures07 2 blindfaeth (11), LittleTiger (17) 8%

Reywas 1 Snow Dog (24) 4%

Roxy 0 No votes

Russtifinko 0 No votes

Snow Dog 2 birdwithteeth11 (6), Boogs (10) 8%

Spaghetti Everywhere 1 DisgruntledPorcupine (14) 4%

SVS 0 No votes

thellama73 4 reywaS (7), S~V~S (15), Russtifinko (18), Epignosis (22) 17%

Don't tell me when I can't mine! 5 Kate (1), Andrew (2), Spacedaisy (3), Mr. Droopy Cash (4), juliets (19) 21%

Total votes : 24

Sweet, thanks Rox! I wasn't going to keep a spreadsheet this game because I told myself I'm too occupied with studying, but maybe I'll at least keep links to these.

I really need to get back to studying, but this result anticipation is killing me. Bah! Where's the post???????????? (I'm merely being impatient, I'm not complaining, Kate).

If Epig comes up civ, I am gonna be looking squarely at llama again.

His play style here is TOTALLY different than in MacG, and if Epig turns up good, then I think Llama was being saved.

Also, Kate has been really busy today, and may be running a bit late~

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Well crud, RIP MP Sad to see both you and your role go~

I am not sure whether I think Epi is bad or whether he was set up; it would be a bold move, but speed games are all about bold moves.

Poor MP...

Also, I totally read "Yelled Snow Dog" as "Yellow Snow Dog."

Well, sorry MoPi. I felt less good about my Epig vote after you voted him because I was getting bad vibes from you.

RIP

Ugh! Terrible result! How did that happen?????

RIP, MP! For once, you were actually a civvie....

Aww too bad! RIP Socktastic!
I wonder who/how Epig was saved?

Roxy wrote:Aww too bad! RIP Socktastic!
I wonder who/how Epig was saved?

Yeah~ was it him/his team, or is he an innocent victim of a frame up? I could see it either way.

RIP MoPi! For what it's worth, I thought you were good.

As I see it, one of two things happened: the baddies used their switch to save Epi because he is their friend, or they used their switch to frame Epi because he is their enemy. It seems a terrible waste of a great power to do the latter, but it also seems foolish to do the former, because now people are pretty likely to vote Epi again on the next day.

I, like indiglo, did notice Rob and Elohcin parroting each other fairly strongly, and that has me worried, so right now I am looking at those two pretty carefully.

S~V~S wrote:Well crud, RIP MP Sad to see both you and your role go~

I am not sure whether I think Epi is bad or whether he was set up; it would be a bold move, but speed games are all about bold moves.

Why do you think he was set up - of all the people that could have been set up - why him specifically?
You do not find any of his or Elohcin's actions nose twitching?

I really, really think llama could be bad,and don't see him and Epig as teammates. And I did not see anything all that suspish about him or Elo on a quick read, i will reread tonight.

Sorry SVS inre to your previous post- I could see it either way as well (set up or save) but thread behavior is what will tell the tale.

I can't help wondering why they would choose to switch it to MP. Why not llama who had the second most votes?

RIP MP.

There is a civ switcher too. Not sure which it could have been though...

Then again, it'd make more sense for diamond sword to use the stop.

Roxy wrote:I can't help wondering why they would choose to switch it to MP. Why not llama who had the second most votes?

This is true. Is framing a possibility?

That stinks. RIP MP. It would have been neat to see you play out a civvie role

Roxy wrote:I can't help wondering why they would choose to switch it to MP. Why not llama who had the second most votes?

Becasue that is who they were saving? That is why I think it could be a frame job. Or I could be wrong~

*shrug*

S~V~S wrote:I really, really think llama could be bad

I'm sorry to disappoint you, SVS, but you've got me all wrong. Deep dow, I'm a really good guy, I swear.

SVS, you think Llama is bad due to some "piling on" issues previously?

I don't really think the frame job theory on Epig holds a lot of water for me. (Simply because now I know for a fact that at least 2 of the voters are not baddies.) However, I suppose some baddies could have gotten it started... so that is something to consider.

indiglo wrote:SVS, you think Llama is bad due to some "piling on" issues previously?

I don't really think the frame job theory on Epig holds a lot of water for me. (Simply because now I know for a fact that at least 2 of the voters are not baddies.) However, I suppose some baddies could have gotten it started... so that is something to consider.

"A fact"?

And I think he is bad because of the way he reacted to discussion on more than one occasion, the way he ignored my pointing it out until I brought it up again, and then after basically saying discussion was stupid and annoying, implying there was really nothing to go on for a vote. Nothing to do with "piling on" issues.

He is acting NOTHING like he acted in MacG. Everything he says just says "bad" to me.

Going to bed now but I wasn't really here at the end i was watching The Dark Night. Amazed I wasn't lynched but glad I'm not.

Never thought MP or Epignosis were bad but hard to tell. Not convinced Llama is bad either. Had to decide between voting He Man and reywaS and chose the latter.

@Hosts~ were the roles randomized, cherrypicked, or both?

There is no civ BTS unless I missed something, and I do not know that I see Kate putting a married couple on the same bad team, or if I see that happening randomly (although, tbh, I think there is a better chance of that than of Kate putting them together).

indiglo wrote:SVS, you think Llama is bad due to some "piling on" issues previously?

I don't really think the frame job theory on Epig holds a lot of water for me. (Simply because now I know for a fact that at least 2 of the voters are not baddies.) However, I suppose some baddies could have gotten it started... so that is something to consider.

Actually, I think quite the opposite. I think if we lynch Epi (and I am sure we will) and he turns up civ, that the baddies are in the end, not the beginning. But if he turns up bad (and that is very possible) I am guessing the other baddies will be in the scattered voters. Better safe than sorry would be their strategy.

S~V~S wrote:

indiglo wrote:SVS, you think Llama is bad due to some "piling on" issues previously?

I don't really think the frame job theory on Epig holds a lot of water for me. (Simply because now I know for a fact that at least 2 of the voters are not baddies.) However, I suppose some baddies could have gotten it started... so that is something to consider.

Actually, I think quite the opposite. I think if we lynch Epi (and I am sure we will) and he turns up civ, that the baddies are in the end, not the beginning. But if he turns up bad (and that is very possible) I am guessing the other baddies will be in the scattered voters. Better safe than sorry would be their strategy.

I was gonna just say as I usually do but I'm feeling nice. Andrew assigned the roles.

OK, so that means basically random~ Andrew is unlikely to know of interpersonal relationships on the board. So Epi/Elo teaming is more possible, but I am still not sure i buy it.

And Thanks Kate, for being generous

Poor MP ugh. That was an awesome role to help us too for an early kill :/

Rip mp, I really can't believe you turned up civ. I made an error in voting for you, sorry.

I was also going to point out that in addition to the zombie having a lynch switch, the diamond sword does as well, so it might not have been a save or set up at all, but maybe the sword did it. Then again, the sword also has a lynch stop, I think on a day one that's more likely to be used.

blindfaeth wrote:Rip mp, I really can't believe you turned up civ. I made an error in voting for you, sorry.

I was also going to point out that in addition to the zombie having a lynch switch, the diamond sword does as well, so it might not have been a save or set up at all, but maybe the sword did it. Then again, the sword also has a lynch stop, I think on a day one that's more likely to be used.

True. What motive would the sword have to switch the lynch anyway? The civs have no BTSC.

RIP MP.

Stinks that we lost a civvie, but I think there is plenty to glean from the way this lynch played out.