The Syndicate

Mkay

I think the Epi train was formed out of nothing, and from now on, I'm going to pick two peeps not to lynch on D1 of every game and announce it to the world just to prove it. It's a stupid start to a stupid argument filled with stupidity, and the only reason Epi hasn't fought his way out of it is that he doesn't know how to defend against asininity.

(I love you guys <3 But I calls them as I sees them)

Eliminating possibilities for lynch on D1 is not a scumtell, and that's where the whole thing started. Once it became LC vs Epi, the arguments went the same way they usually do. Having caught up, I would posit that both are bull-headed town. And the strongest point against Epi is probably Nutella.

So I'm not going to vote for any of the three. Lemme see what my other options are

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:40 pm lol jack if you think me being lazy is a scumtell you haven't played with me enough. you were spoiled in phenon, that was one of my best civ performances. I am normally lazy af and flipflopping all over the place, anyone can tell you that. I'm trying to change up my style anyway so it's less obvious, and have decided to go with a fast-and-loose, whatever-I-feel-like-saying style this game, and I've decided you're bad so I'm voting for you and I decided not to get deeply involved in discussion because, yeah, I'm lazy, deal with it

linki: wait you think I'm epi's scumbuddy? lol what? I very nearly voted for him first. I'm fine with him being lynched.

I take back what I said about lynch Epi first. I'm totally okay with a Nutella lynch first.

Lol "I've decided you are bad"

(Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

Oh hey, glorf is in this game. Hi [mention]Glorfindel[/mention]!

I'm voting Nutella

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:44 pm I'll join nutella in her Jack vote for his scumslip.

wait what? is it him saying "a few good townies" or something else that I'm missing

When I asked him how his post was a scum tell, he said "I don't know" instead of "It's not a scumtell, and cannot be because I'm a Civ."

Link?

Dang, 1 am end time? Count me out for that one, mates. Got any questions for me, get them in fast. I got plans with a sweet pillow and a lovely warm blanket

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?

As scum? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?

As scum? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."

what about the other way around? if epi was bad.

@Speedchuck

What do you think of Epi pretending to not understand the case against him and pretending LC slipped?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)

you telling me lc wouldn't argue with epi just for the shits an' giggles?

As scum? I'm not entirely sure, but I'd lean "no."

what about the other way around? if epi was bad.

If LC is town and Epi bad?

It's possible. LC would have basically cornered Epi out of luck, but it's more likely than LC being scum I think

Anyone else wanna weigh in on try hard vs lazy Nutella?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:02 pm Anyone else wanna weigh in on try hard vs lazy Nutella?

Not really, but I don't think her stubborn "I've decided you're bad" thing is anything.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 pm What do you think of Epi pretending to not understand the case against him and pretending LC slipped?

I get the first part. LC's initial argument is the suck. That's just Epi's way of defending against it.

As for the slip, it makes Epi look bad because it's not a slip, as I already posted. I would be willing to vote Epi for this if I hadn't seen him use the same argument last time he and someone else were town/town arguers.

Aaaaand I should probably go verify that.

So in summary: Kinda get it, and eeegh it looks bad but might not be pending meta verification

Eh, can't find it. I know I've seen that argument before, possibly from Epi. If it was in night vale, then

Epi's response to LC's pressure is a lot more damning than the initial stupid argument.

BTW, not lynching Jack or Quin today

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:52 pm I think the Epi train was formed out of nothing, and from now on, I'm going to pick two peeps not to lynch on D1 of every game and announce it to the world just to prove it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm BTW, not lynching Jack or Quin today

Might be less than random now, IDGAF

Lynch Epi or Nutella of the current options I guess. Jack I want to keep around (this is not the first game I've said this in [Might have been scum in the other game, don't remember]).

I really don't think LC is like this as scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

And the Rocket Man lyrics response is equally devoid of value. So Epi would have spared his vote for any player who acknowledged his Elton John joke. Why? It doesn't even plant a seed that could grow into a suspicion, it doesn't put anyone on the spot, the only effect is to make cbob slightly more comfortable.

I'm glad none of the other players in this game post empty filler.

I'm also glad that you, LC, consider every player as an option, rather than writing a few off on D1. Screw priorities, focus, or good feels. Gotta waste all that effort on evaluating every player.

Was to call out epi for his egregious behavior.

This is one of the stupidest arguments I've seen D1, regardless of epi's alignment. What's worse, IT ISN'T EVEN YOUR ARGUMENT! Sloonei brought it up and you bandwagoned!

And worst of all, there's still a strong possibility that you're town and this is just LCxEPI LOVE CHU CHU

Speedchuck is town, confirmed

Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)

[mention]Long Con[/mention] care to address this point since you responded to the other quote of this post?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:09 pm Eh, can't find it. I know I've seen that argument before, possibly from Epi. If it was in night vale, then

Epi's response to LC's pressure is a lot more damning than the initial stupid argument.

In Nightvale, Epi pretended to not understand/not be interested in a case against LC, who was his scumbuddy. You've seen this before but yeah, with scum Epi.

I agree the defense is more damning than the accusation but the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:24 pm Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

Why?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)

@Long Con care to address this point since you responded to the other quote of this post?

I don't understand what you are saying, can you phrase it differently please? I was saying that Epi's alignment conclusions about mesk, based on the "dirt" post, are not legit because the logic isn't there... you are comparing it to the Daisy guilt thing, but I can't figure out what you mean by your wording.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

*Change vote Nutella*

I expect votes to fall of LC but still. He should not be lynched. Nutella's bad but she's less bad than LC is good. (I don't expect this statement to make LC flinch but that's fine. He'll figure me out later or get nked long before I'm lynched. This isn't for my benefit.)

*off LC

Heading out for a while. I moved my vote to Glorfindel until I get back. I don't want to tempt any late arrivals with a leading wagon.

Hey does anyone know what time zones belong to each of the 19 of the players? Or a close estimate?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

I felt their posts emphasized "no hunting" more than yours. Probably letting Speedchuck's comments color my memory.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm Hey does anyone know what time zones belong to each of the 19 of the players? Or a close estimate?

Everyone's playing in Mountain Time.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm Hey does anyone know what time zones belong to each of the 19 of the players? Or a close estimate?

Quinn's clock is upside down.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm Hey does anyone know what time zones belong to each of the 19 of the players? Or a close estimate?

Everyone's playing in Mountain Time.

this...... this..... how.... how dare you??? who do you think you are..... you......

you monster

colonialbob -- don't know
Dom -- eastern
Dragon D. Luffy -- eastern i think (brazil)
DrWilgy -- don't know
Elohcin -- eastern
Epignosis -- eastern
Glorfindel -- uhh I forget
Jackofhearts2005 -- don't know
Kylemii -- pacific
Long Con -- eastern
Mesk514 -- don't know
MovingPictures07 -- central
nutella -- pacific
Quin -- oz
sig -- don't know
Sloonei -- eastern i think?
Spacedaisy -- central
speedchuck -- not sure
sprityo -- not sure

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

I felt their posts emphasized "no hunting" more than yours. Probably letting Speedchuck's comments color my memory.

Maybe I can colour your memory with a different hue:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:03 pmWhat I am saying is that both of the referenced posts by Epignosis are devoid of content or attempts to gain information or a better understanding of the players. In short, they're filler posts, attempts by a Bad Boy to be present and seem relevant.

Is that kind of what you mean by emphasizing "no hunting"?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:44 pm colonialbob -- don't know
Dom -- eastern
Dragon D. Luffy -- eastern i think (brazil)
DrWilgy -- don't know
Elohcin -- eastern
Epignosis -- eastern
Glorfindel -- uhh I forget
Jackofhearts2005 -- don't know
Kylemii -- pacific
Long Con -- eastern
Mesk514 -- don't know
MovingPictures07 -- central
nutella -- pacific
Quin -- oz
sig -- don't know
Sloonei -- eastern i think?
Spacedaisy -- central
speedchuck -- not sure
sprityo -- not sure

Thanks, nut!

Hey, are you a little mountain?

hahahahhah very no

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

I felt their posts emphasized "no hunting" more than yours. Probably letting Speedchuck's comments color my memory.

Maybe I can colour your memory with a different hue:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:03 pmWhat I am saying is that both of the referenced posts by Epignosis are devoid of content or attempts to gain information or a better understanding of the players. In short, they're filler posts, attempts by a Bad Boy to be present and seem relevant.

Is that kind of what you mean by emphasizing "no hunting"?

Okay fine. You emphasized hunting just as much as Sloonei and Quin.

You're already my top town read. I'm not sure what this line of inquiry is even about.

(so actually no one is on mountain time)

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:48 pm hahahahhah very no

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:28 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:24 pm Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

Why?

Science. And consolidating trains.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:28 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:24 pm Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

Why?

Science. And consolidating trains.

Noooooo! They got Bob.

Damn you cult of ties! Damn youuuuuu!

But seriously. Why are you voting for an obvious townie?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:07 am Me too! *vote Epignosis*

Are you still angry from the previous game with epi where he found you out as mafia?

quote=Sloonei post_id=381309 time=1511158093 user_id=405]
Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?
[/quote]

I believe her.

quote="Dragon D. Luffy" post_id=381323 time=1511181545 user_id=399]
I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.
[/quote]

I agree with this.

Posting but still catching up.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:29 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)

@Long Con care to address this point since you responded to the other quote of this post?

I don't understand what you are saying, can you phrase it differently please? I was saying that Epi's alignment conclusions about mesk, based on the "dirt" post, are not legit because the logic isn't there... you are comparing it to the Daisy guilt thing, but I can't figure out what you mean by your wording.

You said Epi's read of mesk was not legit because there wasn't anything in that post to get a read off of but didn't say something similar about the Spacedaisy votes because she said sorry she checked in and that apparently meant she felt guilty for being mafia. So I would like you to address that discrepancy.

PS boarded, will be back before EoD to at least skim and potentially change my vote.

Looks like others eventually agreed as there are no votes currently on epi. I guess I should have looked at votes before posting

[mention]Elohcin[/mention]
[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

Who kind of wants to vote for Epi?

People that think Epi is scum but are voting for someone they also think is scum don't count. Who are the vultures?

I'm happy we're no longer focusing on one candidate anymore but I don't understand why LC has 3 votes.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:44 pm colonialbob -- don't know
Dom -- eastern
Dragon D. Luffy -- eastern i think (brazil)
DrWilgy -- don't know
Elohcin -- eastern
Epignosis -- eastern
Glorfindel -- uhh I forget
Jackofhearts2005 -- don't know
Kylemii -- pacific
Long Con -- eastern
Mesk514 -- don't know
MovingPictures07 -- central
nutella -- pacific
Quin -- oz
sig -- don't know
Sloonei -- eastern i think?
Spacedaisy -- central
speedchuck -- not sure
sprityo -- not sure

CST

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 pm...the accusation (Quin/Sloonei's version anyhow) has merit.

What's the difference between Quin and Sloonei seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying, and me seeing Epi's behaviour as buddying?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:01 pm I'm happy we're no longer focusing on one candidate anymore but I don't understand why LC has 3 votes.

I don't get it either