The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:58 pm Kyle, what color would I be on your rainbow?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:58 pm Kyle, what color would I be on your rainbow?

yellow

I'm not interested in lynching you today, and I think my involvement in the events that i was basing my read on you may have caused a bias in my view.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:06 pm Since I am a terrible person, can someone tell me how long it is to day end?

Will start reading the game now.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

Lorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.

What about meeeeeee?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:05 pm Ok first of all, no Epi it was not a stretch to say I was on Jay's side the whole time because I thought your accusation was bs right off the bat and because I had just caught up on 5 pages since my previous post and agreed with Jay throughout that reading.

Epi is full of shit and I will stand by that. I think he looks very bad because of it, but I could be wrong because I don't have a good handle on why he might act like this regardless of his alignment. I could be persuaded to vote for someone else (save Jay and Kyle) but for now Epi is my top suspect and I don't see what's opportunistic about that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:40 pm Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

I don't know why I'm doing this when I'm so back and forth this game.

I don't mean to bite the gift horse in the mouth but why am I green?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:42 pm The difference that I think speedchuck and Kyle are missing in my description of my own play:

Would I make it look like I am trying to accelerate a thread as a bad guy? Absolutely.

Would I actually do a good job? Nope.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:33 pm I think if Jay doesn't come up with a valid "tell" that made him so sure as to call me out like he did then it's definitely a bad look for him.

As things are, based on past interactions with Jay he's likely to come out and say something like "there is no tell, I was just lying to build thread discussion" or "I'm not telling you what your tell is in case I need to use it again later"

I don't think either of those are acceptable answers for this.

Jay's usual civvie MO is to scatter bricks around on day 0 and 1 in order to start building discussion and put out reads. What Jay's done here is try to throw a single large brick at me, which causes no variation in discussion at all. The only discussion happening right now is surrounding me.

The only way that tactic comes from a responsible civvie mindset is if Jay really and truly believes in whatever he thinks my tell is

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:42 pm The difference that I think speedchuck and Kyle are missing in my description of my own play:

Would I make it look like I am trying to accelerate a thread as a bad guy? Absolutely.

Would I actually do a good job? Nope.

This is such garbage.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:09 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:06 pm Since I am a terrible person, can someone tell me how long it is to day end?

Will start reading the game now.

A little under 8 hours, I think

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:02 pm Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

What sold you on this one?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm 1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding down
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:17 pm In a lot of recent games I've had the impression that most of the Day 1 noise was town-on-town aggression. I don't have that impression here. At least one major contributor is bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:05 pm Ok first of all, no Epi it was not a stretch to say I was on Jay's side the whole time because I thought your accusation was bs right off the bat and because I had just caught up on 5 pages since my previous post and agreed with Jay throughout that reading.

Epi is full of shit and I will stand by that. I think he looks very bad because of it, but I could be wrong because I don't have a good handle on why he might act like this regardless of his alignment. I could be persuaded to vote for someone else (save Jay and Kyle) but for now Epi is my top suspect and I don't see what's opportunistic about that.

3J's second post was full of shit.

Why doesn't he look very bad because of it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:42 pm The difference that I think speedchuck and Kyle are missing in my description of my own play:

Would I make it look like I am trying to accelerate a thread as a bad guy? Absolutely.

Would I actually do a good job? Nope.

This is such garbage.

Your snail-paced civilian team in Transistor was a delight. I was able to accelerate nothing and take full control over every conversation.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:19 pm 5. Basically what I meant by this was that if Epi meant the Jay/Sloonei w/w idea as another "poop" to get reactions, then he's taken it too far and it is not helpful anymore for him to play in the weird coy way that he has been.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:22 pm That's not the part that I was referring to as garbage.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:17 pm In a lot of recent games I've had the impression that most of the Day 1 noise was town-on-town aggression. I don't have that impression here. At least one major contributor is bad.

Define major contributers.

Then take a side.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:19 pm 5. Basically what I meant by this was that if Epi meant the Jay/Sloonei w/w idea as another "poop" to get reactions, then he's taken it too far and it is not helpful anymore for him to play in the weird coy way that he has been.

unhelpful =/= scummy.
If Epi flips town, you're setting yourself up here to say "he took it too far" "It's his fault" "he should have played better"

linki: "did it first"
So the first person to fling bricks is allowed. The rest of us can't?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:05 pm Ok first of all, no Epi it was not a stretch to say I was on Jay's side the whole time because I thought your accusation was bs right off the bat and because I had just caught up on 5 pages since my previous post and agreed with Jay throughout that reading.

Epi is full of shit and I will stand by that. I think he looks very bad because of it, but I could be wrong because I don't have a good handle on why he might act like this regardless of his alignment. I could be persuaded to vote for someone else (save Jay and Kyle) but for now Epi is my top suspect and I don't see what's opportunistic about that.

3J's second post was full of shit.

Why doesn't he look very bad because of it?

Because he did it first, because he has since explained, and because he's JJJ. Any more questions?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:28 pm Firstly I wouldn't say acceleration of play is typically your agenda either way, perhaps when the game is slow yes but generally high volume is something to expect from you with or without other contributors.

And to discredit your mafia game is weird. I have seen you orchestrate as perceived supatown before to great effect and there are dusty memories likening this you to that you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:58 pm Kyle, what color would I be on your rainbow?

yellow

I'm not interested in lynching you today, and I think my involvement in the events that i was basing my read on you may have caused a bias in my view.

Give me a gun-to-head read then.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:19 pm 5. Basically what I meant by this was that if Epi meant the Jay/Sloonei w/w idea as another "poop" to get reactions, then he's taken it too far and it is not helpful anymore for him to play in the weird coy way that he has been.

unhelpful =/= scummy.
If Epi flips town, you're setting yourself up here to say "he took it too far" "It's his fault" "he should have played better"

linki: "did it first"
So the first person to fling bricks is allowed. The rest of us can't?

Okay. So if you lynch me you better be prepared to say "tsk tsk, she should have played better." Deal?

And... kind of. Depends on the situation, but I felt like Epi was taking advantage of the discussion of Jay's poop to toss in his own brazen accusation in hopes of getting lauded as an insightful town leader trying to stimulate discussion. No offense but Jay really has the comparative advantage in that business.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:30 pm JJJ what is your perspective on Sloonei?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:19 pm 5. Basically what I meant by this was that if Epi meant the Jay/Sloonei w/w idea as another "poop" to get reactions, then he's taken it too far and it is not helpful anymore for him to play in the weird coy way that he has been.

unhelpful =/= scummy.
If Epi flips town, you're setting yourself up here to say "he took it too far" "It's his fault" "he should have played better"

Okay. So if you lynch me you better be prepared to say "tsk tsk, she should have played better." Deal?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:28 pm Firstly I wouldn't say acceleration of play is typically your agenda either way, perhaps when the game is slow yes but generally high volume is something to expect from you with or without other contributors.

And to discredit your mafia game is weird. I have seen you orchestrate as perceived supatown before to great effect and there are dusty memories likening this you to that you.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I know my own volume is high across alignments. I am not talking about how hard I play or how hard I work, I am talking about the specific methods by which I cultivate a thread environment beneficial to my faction. There are clear differences.

It's funny how often I telegraph my own mafia-aligned methods, because nearly nobody listens to me and I can do it all anyway without fear of repercussion. Credit to MP at least who has used it against me to good effect in the past.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:45 pm I generally read Lorab wrong and I am reading her town so take that fwiw.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:45 pm I generally read Lorab wrong and I am reading her town so take that fwiw.

On what basis?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:44 pm fwiw jay actually does seems like he'd be cocky* enough to telagraph his mafia strategies while he's a civilian.

*i say this with all due respect

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:02 pm Let's lynch Kyle and then be overwhelmed by the wifom of his most recent post for the rest of the game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:59 pm Gth Daisy and Dizzy are scum.