The Syndicate

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:59 pm I don't have time to catch up in this game tonight.

@Ambray, where should I vote?

Why are you asking Ambray specifically?

I don't see that you ever answered this, Chuck.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:46 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:59 pm I don't have time to catch up in this game tonight.

Ambray, where should I vote?

Why are you asking Ambray specifically?

I don't see that you ever answered this, Chuck.

I'm provocative!

Real (and unsatisfying) answer: I wanted to ask someone where to vote. I simultaneously wanted to pressure someone who wasn't voting. I decided to combine the two by asking this question to the first person on the list who hadn't voted.

Ambray was first.

So your answer is: Because Ambray hadn't voted, and her name starts with an A.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:43 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:22 pm You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person.

This is not something that I did, and you should know that.

I kind of think it is exactly what you did. I am going to leave a vote on you for now, the thread is small enough that I can reread some more and change it if I change my mind. I really do think you are forcing suspicions. You don't feel sincere to me.

Linki, thank you! I believe you!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:45 pm 2/3 of the day is gone and I am the only vote on the board.

Not anymore

These are the people who voted yesterday (everyone else starts today with a -1)

Illy, Nutella, Juliets, SVS, Faraday, Kyle, Lorab and Tranq (Loop and Timmer also voted, but they are dead).

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:43 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:22 pm You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person.

This is not something that I did, and you should know that.

I kind of think it is exactly what you did.

Show me. Show me where I blamed those people, or mentioned them by name.

I haven't looked at the poll results. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS WAS THAT LYNCHED... uh... (checks linki) LOOP!

edit, oh and sig, he voted too.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:55 pm edit, oh and sig, he voted too.

Is this regarding the loop mislynch?

I think DFaraday also voted for Loop

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:55 pm
Show me. Show me where I blamed those people, or mentioned them by name.

I haven't looked at the poll results. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS WAS THAT LYNCHED... uh... (checks linki) LOOP!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:01 am My game is over and MK is close to over, so I'll be able to keep up now.

Should have just voted randomly yeesh.

Can someone TLDR me why Loop was lynched?

You seemed to know yesterday^^

Linki @ lapluie, I made a list of the people who voted yesterday, and I left sig off it in error. Everyone who did not vote starts the day today with 1 vote. Something we should keep in mind.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:44 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:51 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

Why Juliets?

I was ISOing players and she was the first high poster who I did not get a single town ping from. Her posts are mostly mechspec and prodding toward others.

I don't recall Juliets's meta, so this may be normal for her. Nevertheless, the vote is on the board, and I want to see what she does about it. Clock is ticking.

What is "mechspec"? Also, prodding is my style. I ask questions to assimilate information or to poke into places I might want to go.

Mechanics speculation.

Where do you want to go?

I ask questions to explore concerns that I have. For example, I asked DF about his Drusilla post because it seems like he might know something the rest of us do not about Drusilla. That could indicate he is Drusilla or is a partner of Drusilla OR it could be something innocent that I'm just not understanding so I want to know what he has to say about it. I will then know whether I want to pursue the angle that he knows something about Drusilla. Every time I ask a question I'm trying to gain information to help point me in a direction. That's what I mean by "places I want to go". I think you already knew this though.

Since you are not aware of my meta I would suggest you look back at a game where I was bad. You will see a difference.

link I will post then read

I trust Lapluie. Sort of. I don't think she's vamp or Glory.

Lap, what's up? Gimme 3 suspects.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:57 pm I think DFaraday also voted for Loop

I am not talking about Loop, I am talking about the people who voted yesterday, and were thus not penalized.

Do you have any suspects?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:55 pm
Show me. Show me where I blamed those people, or mentioned them by name.

I haven't looked at the poll results. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS WAS THAT LYNCHED... uh... (checks linki) LOOP!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:01 am My game is over and MK is close to over, so I'll be able to keep up now.

Should have just voted randomly yeesh.

Can someone TLDR me why Loop was lynched?

You seemed to know yesterday^^

Clearly not. I saw that loop died, and that's about it. I have not made any posts that cast suspicion on the loop voters. Yes, including the one above. That was just a question.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:32 am Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

Hello there, just flipped back. no none of them are participating in this game, however I'm more diligent on the other game right now that I've lost train of thought here, my apologies.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion but as of right now, I will say we should look more into the loop mislynch voters, it's very duck soup to jump on a wagon especially on day 0 (?) with little to no evidence off a players behaviours for an easy quick lynch. I noticed a few players piled on before due time & im skeptical about that, for now ill be placing vote of DFaraday - I believe he voted for Loop also, his reasoning for vote was moot.

[mention]juliets[/mention] I'm happy to vote somewhere else if you answer my question.

You've asked some questions, you've gotten some answers. Like a fourth of the game is dead already. Time is short. Days are short.

Where do you want to go? Who do you want to pursue thus far?

linki: See, that's what going after the loop voters looks like

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:32 am Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

Hello there, just flipped back. no none of them are participating in this game, however I'm more diligent on the other game right now that I've lost train of thought here, my apologies.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion but as of right now, I will say we should look more into the loop mislynch voters, it's very duck soup to jump on a wagon especially on day 0 (?) with little to no evidence off a players behaviours for an easy quick lynch. I noticed a few players piled on before due time & im skeptical about that, for now ill be placing vote of DFaraday - I believe he voted for Loop also, his reasoning for vote was moot.

@DFaraday, you might want to come read this. Otherwise, I have no words here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:04 pm linki: See, that's what going after the loop voters looks like

In a less subtle way, perhaps

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:57 pm I think DFaraday also voted for Loop

I am not talking about Loop, I am talking about the people who voted yesterday, and were thus not penalized.

Do you have any suspects?

Oh humm. .will look further into this, thanks

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 pm I trust Lapluie. Sort of. I don't think she's vamp or Glory.

Lap, what's up? Gimme 3 suspects.

How did you establish this trust?

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:08 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:57 pm I think DFaraday also voted for Loop

I am not talking about Loop, I am talking about the people who voted yesterday, and were thus not penalized.

Do you have any suspects?

Oh humm. .will look further into this, thanks

Everyone who did not vote in the last lynch has been penalized by the hosts, the penalty is starting today with one vote. Read the Lynch post.

Linki [mention]lapluie[/mention], that is a very good question.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 pm I trust Lapluie. Sort of. I don't think she's vamp or Glory.

Lap, what's up? Gimme 3 suspects.

How did you establish this trust?

You are both unafraid of SVS when hunting and were willing to clear Wilgy based on his past meta, rather than helping to mislynch him on an easy day.

I'm not going to jump off a cliff for you, but that's pretty decent.

What does being afraid of me have to do with it? I am not sure how to take that ha ha

I wish someone besides the three of us was talking, this is starting to feel surreal to be honest.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:16 pm What does being afraid of me have to do with it? I am not sure how to take that ha ha

I wish someone besides the three of us was talking, this is starting to feel surreal to be honest.

I've been playing surreal mafia all day. Anything with my interaction is going to feel off right now.

Scum players want to avoid suspicion, and are careful about it. Lapluie, on the other hand, sees you suspecting me for pushing the loop voters (which I never did) and then immediately goes and blatantly pushes the loop voters.

She like honey badger. She don't care.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:03 pm @juliets I'm happy to vote somewhere else if you answer my question.

You've asked some questions, you've gotten some answers. Like a fourth of the game is dead already. Time is short. Days are short.

Where do you want to go? Who do you want to pursue thus far?

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking with "where do you want to go". Right now I have an important question out to DF. Did he slip and reveal something that only the mafia would know? Also, SVS's case regarding you looks decent at first glance but I need to spend some time looking back at your posts which I'm going to do next. I'm not wild about lapluie's reason for voting DF even though I am looking at whether he slipped. Other than that lapluie hasn't commented (unless I missed it) on suspicions or asked probing questions so I am looking at her. There are 5+ hours left in the day and I expect more posting to occur so I may see more that I want to pursue as the day goes by.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:19 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:16 pm What does being afraid of me have to do with it? I am not sure how to take that ha ha

I wish someone besides the three of us was talking, this is starting to feel surreal to be honest.

I've been playing surreal mafia all day. Anything with my interaction is going to feel off right now.

Scum players want to avoid suspicion, and are careful about it. Lapluie, on the other hand, sees you suspecting me for pushing the loop voters (which I never did) and then immediately goes and blatantly pushes the loop voters.

She like honey badger. She don't care.

No you actually did, I could see you gearing up for it.

And how do you know Wilgy would have been a mislynch?

I agree with speed that lap is town, but I agree with svs that speed is sus.

I think DF simply misread the drusilla-spike recruitment sentence (like switched the pronouns in his mind or something and interpreted it backwards) and I think he is unlikely to be on the vampire team

hey [mention]Kylemii[/mention] what are your thoughts?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:12 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 pm I trust Lapluie. Sort of. I don't think she's vamp or Glory.

Lap, what's up? Gimme 3 suspects.

How did you establish this trust?

You are both unafraid of SVS when hunting and were willing to clear Wilgy based on his past meta, rather than helping to mislynch him on an easy day.

I'm not going to jump off a cliff for you, but that's pretty decent.

Why thank you.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:19 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:16 pm What does being afraid of me have to do with it? I am not sure how to take that ha ha

I wish someone besides the three of us was talking, this is starting to feel surreal to be honest.

I've been playing surreal mafia all day. Anything with my interaction is going to feel off right now.

Scum players want to avoid suspicion, and are careful about it. Lapluie, on the other hand, sees you suspecting me for pushing the loop voters (which I never did) and then immediately goes and blatantly pushes the loop voters.

She like honey badger. She don't care.

No you actually did, I could see you gearing up for it.

And how do you know Wilgy would have been a mislynch?

A. No, I didn't. It is, quite frankly, aggravating that your biggest line of suspicion toward me is something that never happened. it is doubly frustrating that everyone is buying it. It is triply frustrating that Lapluie is actually doing the thing, and you're so deep in the tunnel that you'll stick with me.

B. I don't. There's a... what, 1/6th chance that he was a vamp? I'll play those odds and give Lapluie some trust.
It's practically D1 for me, since I wasn't paying attention on the real D1. I'll take my trusts and suspicions where I can get them.

Urgh, forgot it's a 24hr period.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:51 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:03 pm SVS - out of curiosity, have you been active on this site in past months? Not necessarily just playing mafia

No. I left in July, and had not been back since, until about a week and a half ago. Someone told me on Facebook that I had gotten a Socky, and I came in to say "Thanks". I started talking to a soooper persuasive friend, it was a BR/LC game, Tranq and rabbit were playing ... so yeah, lol.

My last post was mid July. I might have lurked around a few days past that in the mod forums, but if I did it wasn't very long after that.

Why?

Also home shortly, will catch up.

Reason I asked was I remembered your exchange with Speed re the momma bear comment, however now that I've gone back and reread it I think it's applicable to the situation and not actually anything worth of note.

However, this back and forth between you and Speed on this page has give my the willies. That may just be due to the fact it is predominately only you 2 talking so there's gonna be back and forth pressure there.

Yeah SVS it's true Speed never went after the Loop voters. He went after the people who missed the vote and then said they would have voted for Loop (or at least that was the case for Ambray... apparently Tranq voted but for rabbit and later said he would have switched to loop if he'd been around) but yeah to be fair you are kind of putting words in his mouth. I do find him suspicious for the other reasons you have pointed out though (his eagerness to jump on those players and his vote for juliets / general eagerness to find easy suspects)

Urgh, I really need to vote in the next 20mins but I'm not too sure. I would like to see DF come in and answer Juliets question.

I'd be interested to hear what Tranq has to say, also.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:26 pm I agree with speed that lap is town, but I agree with svs that speed is sus.

I think DF simply misread the drusilla-spike recruitment sentence (like switched the pronouns in his mind or something and interpreted it backwards) and I think he is unlikely to be on the vampire team

hey @Kylemii what are your thoughts?

Hey, sorry. My attention has been largely focused on a different game which is currently at a somewhat critical juncture. For about 2/3 of the next 5.5 hours this game will be my #1 priority.

earlier i wanted to look through marmot's posts to see if I can see what spike might have seen in him so i'm going to start there.

Not alot. Just got back from playing pool and i have to vote soon aswell. I skimmed the last page of posts. What do you think?

linki thats [mention]Ambray[/mention]

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:26 pm I agree with speed that lap is town, but I agree with svs that speed is sus.

I think DF simply misread the drusilla-spike recruitment sentence (like switched the pronouns in his mind or something and interpreted it backwards) and I think he is unlikely to be on the vampire team

hey @Kylemii what are your thoughts?

Hey, sorry. My attention has been largely focused on a different game which is currently at a somewhat critical juncture. For about 2/3 of the next 5.5 hours this game will be my #1 priority.

earlier i wanted to look through marmot's posts to see if I can see what spike might have seen in him so i'm going to start there.

spoiler alert he has zero on-topic posts they are all about being away for the weekend and missing the beginning of the game and then dying as soon as he got back

could someone make an iso link for marmot? i'm on mobile and idk how to do it :x

linki: oh.

okay I'm going to try this again. Anyone who thinks DF "slipped" has not thought about it for more than thirty seconds and is being painfully opportunistic. He clearly just misread the sentence, go look at the role description, it is easy enough to misinterpret on a quick glance. This makes him actively LESS likely to be on the vampire team. juliets, ambray, if you are seriously trying to push the idea that he slipped one of you is going to get my vote.

In re-reading I found the quote below where speed answered nutella saying he didn't want a defense just an answer. I tend to think this indicates he was not accusing loop voters. The other points S~V~S makes though seem valid.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:37 pm speed, both you and lap came in saying "why the heck was loop lynched"

Did Lap do that? They might have been defensive toward that.

I wasn't flinging suspicion with my question. I just wasn't here. I didn't want defense, just an answer.

Ok nutella I see your point on DF though I wish DF had answered for himself.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:46 pm In re-reading I found the quote below where speed answered nutella saying he didn't want a defense just an answer. I tend to think this indicates he was not accusing loop voters. The other points S~V~S makes though seem valid.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:37 pm speed, both you and lap came in saying "why the heck was loop lynched"

Did Lap do that? They might have been defensive toward that.

I wasn't flinging suspicion with my question. I just wasn't here. I didn't want defense, just an answer.

Ok nutella I see your point on DF though I wish DF had answered for himself.

This LA - it would have been nice to see if he had given this reason himself or said something different.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:36 pm Yeah SVS it's true Speed never went after the Loop voters. He went after the people who missed the vote and then said they would have voted for Loop (or at least that was the case for Ambray... apparently Tranq voted but for rabbit and later said he would have switched to loop if he'd been around) but yeah to be fair you are kind of putting words in his mouth. I do find him suspicious for the other reasons you have pointed out though (his eagerness to jump on those players and his vote for juliets / general eagerness to find easy suspects)

My bad, I worded myself badly. I still think he is bad.

[mention]Ambray[/mention] I thought that too, to be honest. It was what made me reread him. He just feels ... like he is suspecting people just to suspect them, like he did with you and Tranq. I looked for the conversation he said he heard that Momma Bear in, but could not find it but I did find the one game where he and I played together, and it came up in there.

So I just went back and isolated MacDougall's posts - was going back to read sig's actually, but thought I couldn't really remember anything of significance from MacDougall either.

quote=MacDougall post_id=404064 time=1517798113 user_id=441]
Timmer and LoRab are really raising my hackles with their votes.
[/quote]

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:31 pmSo you answered what it is but not my question that provoked hers?

I'm more interested in her response to your assertion. I didn't think it seemed important to validate your memory of things Jay says. Literally speaking her post seems like it might be categorized as player salad, do you think it's meaningful?

Interesting. Teammie helping teammie?

explain

What's to explain? I am speculating that you are teammates?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:31 pmSo you answered what it is but not my question that provoked hers?

I'm more interested in her response to your assertion. I didn't think it seemed important to validate your memory of things Jay says. Literally speaking her post seems like it might be categorized as player salad, do you think it's meaningful?

Interesting. Teammie helping teammie?

explain

What's to explain? I am speculating that you are teammates?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:10 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:31 pmSo you answered what it is but not my question that provoked hers?

I'm more interested in her response to your assertion. I didn't think it seemed important to validate your memory of things Jay says. Literally speaking her post seems like it might be categorized as player salad, do you think it's meaningful?

Interesting. Teammie helping teammie?

explain

What's to explain? I am speculating that you are teammates?

why would explaining a jayterm to Juliets that she didn't know the meaning of make us teammates?

It's moreso the lack of entertaining me and then answering her instead? You're either teammates or you hate me. Knowing that you love me, it's gotta be the former.

For D1 that's a shit tonne of speculation about who could be teammates and I haven't even quoted it all.

I know you're busy MacDougall from what's been said in the other game, but you've not really furthered any of this in D2. Only discussed the night results and what this could mean in relation to the roles.

Any further thoughts from your D1 suspicions?

I'm considering novaselinenever for my vote. I mentioned him earlier today (did the @ alert thing) and got no reply, meanwhile he has been posting in another game a couple of times, so he's been around and i assume he got the @ alert thingy.
I'm at a place where i have a couple of players as civ-sounding who i don't want to vote for but that's about it.

i'm taking a shower, gonna get on a computer after so I can do some ISO's. i'm gonna start with dfaraday, juliets, speedchuck, and svs let me know if there's anyone else I should cover

As of right now Chuck is the lynch leader since he has a penalty vote (both Faraday and Juliets voted yesterday). Plus we lynch two, we need to keep that in mind.

I will be in and out of here most of the night, if anything new comes up of if a consensus comes up with a good plan.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:12 pm As of right now Chuck is the lynch leader since he has a penalty vote (both Faraday and Juliets voted yesterday). Plus we lynch two, we need to keep that in mind.

I will be in and out of here most of the night, if anything new comes up of if a consensus comes up with a good plan.

It's past midnight over here, time for me to go. I'll tie it up with voting novaselinenever.
Earlier today i mentioned spreading out the votes as to maybe figure out Darla, but that would almost guarantee a non-Vampire to be lynched. Then again, we'd have to be pretty lucky to lynch 2 baddies at the same time anyway, so maybe it's worth a shot.

okay yeah i don't see anything particularly telling in marmot's posts, not much to work with there

I'm fine with speed and nova being our two lynches atm

Putting my vote on speed for now. I could be reading him wrong since he tends to have a similar style regardless of alignment, but my thinking is that if he's bad he's a pretty scary one to have around late in the game so I'd rather not take that chance if I have any reason to suspect him.

I've stayed longer than intended hoping for some people to appear - I don't know whether I want to vote for speed. I think SVS has raised some valid points, but equally I'm aware that the discussion was a lot of back and forth and tunnell-y between them in their interactions so perhaps his responses feel unsettled because of that.

I'm going to give in 10more mins, but my vote may end up of Speed for the sake of not splitting it further and concerns raised.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:27 pm Putting my vote on speed for now. I could be reading him wrong since he tends to have a similar style regardless of alignment, but my thinking is that if he's bad he's a pretty scary one to have around late in the game so I'd rather not take that chance if I have any reason to suspect him.

This is the worst vote post I have ever seen in my life.

It's not fun being scary