The Syndicate

Jay shrugged, and the whole mafia game collapsed.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:40 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:35 pm I hate Dizzy's vote. Why should I not hate Dizzy's vote?

It made my wagon 4-strong, and nobody else had more than 2 (not even sure there was a 2).

It patently sucks, but how does it make Dizzy scum?

I don't like Dizzy or Elohcin's votes, though Dizzy's I like less.

Why Elohcin? I just read through her ISO, and her vote is the only thing I find suspicious.

Well, I've spoken to this already, but I just don't like how the only notable thing she's done is suspect Jay (for an odd reason), not follow up that suspicion (even more suspect), and then refuse to engage with anyone and throw a vote onto another player. All of this is doubly suspicious given Elo's constant comments that she feels more engaged and comfortable in smaller games; so even if she is feeling mafia burnout, her behavior is bothersome.

It's not that different from lapluie I suppose, so I can see where you're coming from. Just a different type of disengaged player. My gut is screaming insincere more with her though, hence my investment in the matter.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:42 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:41 pm I understand all of that, but townies make patently horrible and illogical moves all the time. You get where I'm going with this.

I don't think it's "illogical". It's nothing. Do you know of a civilian motive?

I disagree. Civilian motive is a chaotic civilian motive but the possibility exists nonetheless. I'm not saying Dizzy is town; I'm just saying it's basically NAI. And my gut weakly says it's too openly brazen to be a scum move.

I don't like how you much tunnel vision you're exhibiting this game. Townies do dumb shit all the time. Somehow you seem to have forgotten that.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 pmTownies do dumb shit all the time. Somehow you seem to have forgotten that.

Of course they do. That doesn't mean we observe "dumb shit" in the thread and ignore it. If I don't talk about Dizzy's vote, what do you do about it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:47 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 pmTownies do dumb shit all the time. Somehow you seem to have forgotten that.

Of course they do. That doesn't mean we observe "dumb shit" in the thread and ignore it. If I don't talk about Dizzy's vote, what do you do about it?

I'm not saying you shouldn't talk about it. That's misrepresentation.

A stance has to be made. Not every dumb move is a nefarious move. GTH I don't think it's nefarious.

I have a rainbow, and here's what it looks like.


ColinIsCool
novaselinenever
Scotty

Charlie Blackmon
Choutas
Elohcin
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Quin
TheFloyd73
wolbre04

Dyslexicon
lapluie
M Plus 7

If I have to I will probably vote for whoever I can to stop JJJ from getting lynched because I like his contributions and if he's town it would be a mclargehuge mistake.

Careless, reckless, chaotic? Sure. Should Dizzy have to come in and answer for it? Absolutely. But should Dizzy be lynched for it? I don't really think so.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:47 pm I have a rainbow, and here's what it looks like.


ColinIsCool
novaselinenever
Scotty

Charlie Blackmon
Choutas
Elohcin
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Quin
TheFloyd73
wolbre04

Dyslexicon
lapluie
M Plus 7

I cannot fathom how I'm the most suspicious player to you in the game.

Why is Jay a yellow read?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:48 pm If I have to I will probably vote for whoever I can to stop JJJ from getting lynched because I like his contributions and if he's town it would be a mclargehuge mistake.

I probably agree, even if I don't trust him.

They're listed alphabetically inside of each color. You're just grouped with the other two players I include as such.

Jay is yellow because I don't have a strong read either way.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:47 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 pmTownies do dumb shit all the time. Somehow you seem to have forgotten that.

Of course they do. That doesn't mean we observe "dumb shit" in the thread and ignore it. If I don't talk about Dizzy's vote, what do you do about it?

I'm not saying you shouldn't talk about it. That's misrepresentation.

A stance has to be made. Not every dumb move is a nefarious move. GTH I don't think it's nefarious.

I'm not telling you that you said we shouldn't talk about it. I'm telling you that you literally didn't talk about it other than to say it is "obviously throwaway". You didn't spend a moment considering anything beyond that lazy dismissal of suspicion -- obviously. I hate that word here.

Bad look.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:51 pm They're listed alphabetically inside of each color. You're just grouped with the other two players I include as such.

Jay is yellow because I don't have a strong read either way.

Oh, got it.

Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

Yeah, this is suspicious.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:52 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:47 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:45 pmTownies do dumb shit all the time. Somehow you seem to have forgotten that.

Of course they do. That doesn't mean we observe "dumb shit" in the thread and ignore it. If I don't talk about Dizzy's vote, what do you do about it?

I'm not saying you shouldn't talk about it. That's misrepresentation.

A stance has to be made. Not every dumb move is a nefarious move. GTH I don't think it's nefarious.

I'm not telling you that you said we shouldn't talk about it. I'm telling you that you literally didn't talk about it other than to say it is "obviously throwaway". You didn't spend a moment considering anything beyond that lazy dismissal of suspicion -- obviously. I hate that word here.

Bad look.

I don't give a fuck if you hate it.

That said, we're talking about it now. Sure, maybe I could have said more about it, but I don't think there's much to say about it. A judgment call has to be made at the individual level as to whether it's meaningful regarding Dizzy's alignment. I don't really think it is, so I didn't bother to say anything else.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

Lynch me then. Come on. Enjoy being wrong.

Jay doesn't give a fuck what anyone's alignment is.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

Lynch me then. Come on. Enjoy being wrong.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:55 pm Jay doesn't give a fuck what anyone's alignment is.

Tell me as concisely as you can why you were willing to dismiss Dizzy's vote as a "throwaway" vote when he put it on the player who was leading the tally already?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

Yeah, this is suspicious.

Will you ever not find me suspicious? It's hard to take it seriously when you suspect me in every game we play. What's my motive as mafia?

Ridiculous.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:55 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

Lynch me then. Come on. Enjoy being wrong.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

It's no wonder your track record has taken a crap lately if this is how you're playing as town.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:55 pm Jay doesn't give a fuck what anyone's alignment is.

Why's that?

I know he's not voting for me, but I'm not seeing that from him. Then again I agree with him, so

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:56 pmWhat's my motive as mafia?

There are two mafia-aligned implications, the former of which inspires my suspicion:

TMI -- you dismissed Dizzy's vote because you already knew it was innocent (I buy it)

Teammates -- you're protecting him (I don't think so)

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:57 pm It's no wonder your track record has taken a crap lately if this is how you're playing as town.

You're acting as though my suspicion is unfounded. Do you believe my suspicion is unfounded?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:56 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:55 pm Jay doesn't give a fuck what anyone's alignment is.

Tell me as concisely as you can why you were willing to dismiss Dizzy's vote as a "throwaway" vote when he put it on the player who was leading the tally already?

Dizzy has apparently not become familiar with the content of the game and specifically expressed an intent to come back and contribute after a proper catch-up. The vote is therefore deemed by me to be baseless, a throwaway.

It will be particularly unfortunate and reckless AF if Dizzy doesn't come back before the deadline, but I don't see how it means Dizzy is mafia.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:24 am

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:28 pm I think Charlie Blackmoor was specifically talking about Jay rather than making a sweeping statement about low posters in general

Correct. Never take out your heavy hitters without good reason. Turn everybody else into a heavy hitter instead.

And yet you voted for Macdougall?

If JaggedJimmyJay is batting third, then Macdougall is your cleanup man. Why vote for him?

MacDougall had not done anything in this game to warrant batting cleanup or being called a heavy hitter.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:56 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:55 pm Jay doesn't give a fuck what anyone's alignment is.

Tell me as concisely as you can why you were willing to dismiss Dizzy's vote as a "throwaway" vote when he put it on the player who was leading the tally already?

Dizzy has apparently not become familiar with the content of the game and specifically expressed an intent to come back and contribute after a proper catch-up. The vote is therefore deemed by me to be baseless, a throwaway.

It will be particularly unfortunate and reckless AF if Dizzy doesn't come back before the deadline, but I don't see how it means Dizzy is mafia.

Tell me why a mafia Dizzy might do it, even if it's not what you believe.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:56 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

Yeah, this is suspicious.

Will you ever not find me suspicious? It's hard to take it seriously when you suspect me in every game we play. What's my motive as mafia?

Ridiculous.

Dizzy is a mafia teammate of yours and Jay is a civilian who was well on his way to being lynched? That's a possible motive.

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:24 am

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:28 pm I think Charlie Blackmoor was specifically talking about Jay rather than making a sweeping statement about low posters in general

Correct. Never take out your heavy hitters without good reason. Turn everybody else into a heavy hitter instead.

And yet you voted for Macdougall?

If JaggedJimmyJay is batting third, then Macdougall is your cleanup man. Why vote for him?

MacDougall had not done anything in this game to warrant batting cleanup or being called a heavy hitter.

He would be if he wasn't ejected.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:57 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:55 pm Jay doesn't give a fuck what anyone's alignment is.

Why's that?

I know he's not voting for me, but I'm not seeing that from him. Then again I agree with him, so

I could definitely be wrong. I already explained how I felt he treated Elohcin and Quin this way. It's a gut interpretation of the way he is wording his content and handling other players in the game, making many definitive statements of various players fabricating content. He specifically threw that line of suspicion now to more players than the number of players that can be mafia. It consequently strikes me as if Jay is dismissing other players as insincere without fully considering whether they are mafia or town.

That said, his treatment of nova is a notch against this argument, and this is just a possible interpretation of his behavior. I don't feel strongly about it, but I certainly don't trust him yet either.

MP:

You've just said the following things in the space of 10 minutes:

JJJ doesn't give a fuck about anyone's alignment.

JJJ: enjoy being wrong, this is why your track record is shit lately as town.

You can't have both. Which one is it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:58 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:56 pmWhat's my motive as mafia?

There are two mafia-aligned implications, the former of which inspires my suspicion:

TMI -- you dismissed Dizzy's vote because you already knew it was innocent (I buy it)

Teammates -- you're protecting him (I don't think so)

Okay, now I understand where you're coming from. That was unclear. Thanks for explaining.

You're wrong, but at least now I know where your head is at.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:01 pm

You and I seem to be the only people around here who respect this emoji.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:59 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:57 pm It's no wonder your track record has taken a crap lately if this is how you're playing as town.

You're acting as though my suspicion is unfounded. Do you believe my suspicion is unfounded?

Assuming you're talking about your suspicion of me, I did think it was, but I no longer think it is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:01 pm

You and I seem to be the only people around here who respect this emoji.

Dunno why, I prefer it to in most situations.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:00 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:56 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:55 pm Jay doesn't give a fuck what anyone's alignment is.

Tell me as concisely as you can why you were willing to dismiss Dizzy's vote as a "throwaway" vote when he put it on the player who was leading the tally already?

Dizzy has apparently not become familiar with the content of the game and specifically expressed an intent to come back and contribute after a proper catch-up. The vote is therefore deemed by me to be baseless, a throwaway.

It will be particularly unfortunate and reckless AF if Dizzy doesn't come back before the deadline, but I don't see how it means Dizzy is mafia.

Tell me why a mafia Dizzy might do it, even if it's not what you believe.

I mean, I guess the same reason, chaos? Plopping a vote on someone and then fucking off is pretty transparently anti-town either way; I just think it seems too much like low hanging fruit to make Dizzy mafia in this case. Could I be wrong? Sure. I'm just trying to prevent what I think could be a mislynch.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:00 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:56 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

Yeah, this is suspicious.

Will you ever not find me suspicious? It's hard to take it seriously when you suspect me in every game we play. What's my motive as mafia?

Ridiculous.

Dizzy is a mafia teammate of yours and Jay is a civilian who was well on his way to being lynched? That's a possible motive.

I mean, I guess? I don't play that way as mafia, but sure.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:02 pm MP:

You've just said the following things in the space of 10 minutes:

JJJ doesn't give a fuck about anyone's alignment.

JJJ: enjoy being wrong, this is why your track record is shit lately as town.

You can't have both. Which one is it?

I'm conflicted; I don't know which it is. Right now I'm leaning the latter. And I'm sorry; I spoke out of frustration, by the way. You know I admire your talent and effort as a mafia player more than pretty much anyone else.

It's fine, I get why I look suspicious now. I just don't like it. But it's part of the game, so if you all think I'm the way to go, that's fine. I suck this game anyway.

oh my snot

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:01 pm

You and I seem to be the only people around here who respect this emoji.

Dunno why, I prefer it to in most situations.

There's nuance.

is for situations when someone has bragged or needs comeuppance.

is for "haha just being silly"

is for "oh wow I'm an idiot"

Idk why this game in particular is funny

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:08 pmoh my snot

I eagerly await your input.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:00 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:56 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm Dizzy places a vote on the largest wagon in the poll.

"obviously throwaway"

What the hell?

Yeah, this is suspicious.

Will you ever not find me suspicious? It's hard to take it seriously when you suspect me in every game we play. What's my motive as mafia?

Ridiculous.

Dizzy is a mafia teammate of yours and Jay is a civilian who was well on his way to being lynched? That's a possible motive.

I mean, I guess? I don't play that way as mafia, but sure.

Also in a PoE I could narrow down Dizzy to my final couple players. Regardless of where the vote came from, she's done nothing to make me think she's a civilian.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:08 pm It's fine, I get why I look suspicious now. I just don't like it. But it's part of the game, so if you all think I'm the way to go, that's fine. I suck this game anyway.

Do your thing. I'm not lynching you on Day 1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:01 pm

You and I seem to be the only people around here who respect this emoji.

Dunno why, I prefer it to in most situations.

There's nuance.

is for situations when someone has bragged or needs comeuppance.

is for "haha just being silly"

is for "oh wow I'm an idiot"

That actually seems pretty accurate. Nice summary. Have a town read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:10 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:08 pmoh my snot

I eagerly await your input.

+1

Can we focus on Scotty too pls, this is 2 pressuring

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:10 pm Also in a PoE I could narrow down Dizzy to my final couple players. Regardless of where the vote came from, she's done nothing to make me think she's a civilian.

That's fair. I don't even disagree.

The problem is we have like at least half the players in this game that have done pretty much fuck all, so I'm trying my best to determine which of them seem town and which don't. My gut says Dizzy seems least likely to be mafia out of all the low-content players, but my gut has been wrong before, so.