The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:56 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:01 pm I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

Easily that can be the case, but I have encountered early distance such such forming the case on teammate and starting suss and wagon on them.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:57 am**

I don't know if I scum read Alison or Vulgard or both of them at the same time or not, idk. But I definitely read scum in alison/Vulgard

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:01 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:01 pm I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.
I don't think that he and Sloonei are wolves together. If Sloonei is a wolf, I have less suspicion of Vulgard. I still like your take on him, and could easily vote that way. I am not a teammate.
He doesn't have 6 teammates so I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't vote Vulgard is a teammate. I think many of the reasons that Sloonei raised for not voting Vulgard - give him space, there's still time, pursue other suspects, etc. - are valid. If Vulgard is in fact scum, then the townies not voting him would be doing so for those reasons, and his teammates would probably be blending in amongst them and pretending they also have that reason.

Yes I agree, I would not see them as scum for this very reasoning.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:52 pm How about "How many of the people outside of the thread are Mafia?"
This questions begs another: how many people in the thread are mafia?

And it begs another question, "Who are they? +"

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 am**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:50 pm i think it's too early to pile on vulgard. i think valid points have been raised against him but like sloonei said i wanna let him breathe. when i get a lot of pressure early i tend to become defensive and unproductive.

we're here to find wolves plural. we won't get far narrowing the discussion down to one person this early

that being said, enrique saying that vulgard "seems fine" when the rest of us disagree is imo an important data point to hold onto for now. it's spicy. i disagree but it's spicy

Mindmeld just not the last paragraph.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 am**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:52 pm yeah that's what i'm thinking. i like it when people go against the grain like that. it's not enough for me to form a read on him though

Oh I think misunderstood your last post

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 am**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:11 pm i stand corrected i think enrique's town

even though my ego has a booboo now

Wait, did you scum read or town read him. I'm getting confused here.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:12 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:14 pm Your ass is mine, cupcake.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:14 am**

I don't remember Nutella-Sloonei having much conversation to come to any conclusion on them.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:16 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:43 pm I have a role that can kill Long Con at any time

Him specifically?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:21 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm So um, I'm town and I think I'm the only one.
Marmot marmot, where have you been and what is mafia? I forget how to play, please remind me.
It depends. If you're the mafia, you probably want to kill me. If you're an innocent pure townie like me, you self-vote and hope your teammates will carry you.

Which one are you?

I'm excited to play with you. Hello you can be purestttt townie null. Gg.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:22 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:45 am
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:58 am I'm pretty sure I have to wake up to catch at least 10-15 pages. Smh.
Looks like a no

Tbh this game is way too slow paced than the other games I played here. Maybe that's why a lot seems different?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:24 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:02 am TSP is town for flooding

TSP is town for not posting "I AM MAFIA" as his first post.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:26 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:17 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:13 am So much talk about Vul, but one thing’s missing.
Sloonei asked me what I thought of Vul more broadly, the answer is not much. I had the advantage of knowing Vul’s alignment the first time. But he threw out strong reads early and SRed me for the same reasons. The vote on Syn pings me for level 1 reasons, but he seems the same outside of the above factor.

Agreed.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:26 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality
Who's scummy?
Everyone besides Nutella and Marmot

Why not nutella?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:29 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:35 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:30 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:27 am I can run down the list if you want me to

From memory:

You asked me about a three poster and also asked a weird setup question which I told LC was a bad read but specifically those questions
Alison made a long post early that I thought fit in her meta but felt off — too long for its purpose, Alison is efficient. I quoted it. Other early reads from Alison feel similar
FG, well FG actually townslipped iirc
Mac said everyone was town and then accepted LC’s positioning dance
LC called you out for the questions, did the thing with Mac, is LC
Vul has like 10 posts
Poison feels a little stilted and said that you had god reads which felt weird
Enrique I don’t know Enrique didn’t do anything wrong really
And I think that’s it?

I was in g9 with him. He came in for some hours. And 98% of his reads were damn right. So. Definitely super God reads. Why did you find it weird.

Although TSP is town thud game I think. Did he post a post like this last game? Don't think so.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:32 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:55 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:35 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:30 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:27 am I can run down the list if you want me to

From memory:

You asked me about a three poster and also asked a weird setup question which I told LC was a bad read but specifically those questions
Alison made a long post early that I thought fit in her meta but felt off — too long for its purpose, Alison is efficient. I quoted it. Other early reads from Alison feel similar
FG, well FG actually townslipped iirc
Mac said everyone was town and then accepted LC’s positioning dance
LC called you out for the questions, did the thing with Mac, is LC
Vul has like 10 posts
Poison feels a little stilted and said that you had god reads which felt weird
Enrique I don’t know Enrique didn’t do anything wrong really
And I think that’s it?
These aren't reads these are just comments about people dude

You're definition mafia here with your scumreading everyone schtick btw

Even though these are not proper reads but I still think this is tonwy.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:36 am**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 am #124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

Explain your Alison level up.

Syn seems towny and I didn't like the progression on the votes on them. You thinking that TMI seems rather forced.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:36 am**

Aight caught up. I'll enjoy my festival. Bye bye.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am**

Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:40 am**

Don't like vul/Alison.
Syn, marmot, TSP seems towny.
LC, enrique seems okay nullish to townish I guess.
Super null on nutella, Sloonei, mac.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:40 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

I wear a pink skirt as mafia wdym?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:44 am**

Anyways, would be back later.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am**

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine
This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.

That's some clunky distancing, you guys.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:34 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:35 am Mac said everyone was town and then accepted LC’s positioning dance

Positioning dance?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:42 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:35 am FG, well FG actually townslipped iirc

I was unable to detect this.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:45 am**

Marmot traditionally self-votes at the start, iirc. Just putting it out there, I don't see it as at all alignment-indicative. I understand it probably confuses most players here. I don't particularly condone it as useful or productive, I just remember it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:47 am**

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:02 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:00 pm One of Alison - Vulgard is scum probably, do not like the syn votes on page 3.
Why are Alison and Vulgard not the same alignment?
They can easily be together, but there's a possibility of a confirmed mafia is higher.

I'm not quite understanding that last sentence, can you rephrase it?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:52 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:43 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?
I don't remember a ton of detail but we had a discord, we could read the thread and discuss our thoughts, and we had daily choices on smaller or larger ways to influence the game (such as giving a certain player a power buff or something) and then a few phases in we entered the thread for a day and helped town solve the game and then left again
Could you guys do anything with the lynch or anything destructive from there?
I really don't remember sorry lol
You guys gave me a golden apple or something and I forget what that did, but it was something positive, and then I think you could vote on the day you were in the thread?

This was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.
I'mma follow LC on the self-vote.

Marmot skimming and not fully reading is scum-shifting.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:56 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:50 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm People have squinted at me for saying that I have "genuine" reads in the past, as if every read I share as town is supposed to be genuine.

So with that in mind, here's a read of unknown sincerity:

Vulgard is mafia.
I can see it. Pre-slank excuse, mech chatter, and bland greetings.
I could see Vulgard being scum but mostly because their posting looks kinda carefully controlled to be as inoffensive and trigger people's scumdars as little as possible. I had a confused reaction to that mechanic as well so I don't blame them for the mech chatter, and I think pre-slank excuses are NAI. There are very few people (in general, but especially on the Syndicate) who roll scum and then go "alright! I'm going to go and give an excuse so I can coast through D1!" Not only is this just uncommon behavior, it's also suboptimal - you allow yourself to engage in some anti-town behavior, but in exchange you lose a lot of ability to gain trust and manipulate the town. Syndicate is not a site that is afraid to exe slankers and you will win a lot more games by powerwolfing than coasting.
Maphia

Is this a real suspicion on Alison?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:56 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:10 pm Not really feeling Funnygurl's posts either. They feel too shitposty. Like, not in a way that comes from town. Does she always do that?
I’ve had this read about 5 times and it’s not been correct yet

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:40 pm I mean like, calling FG out for being a memey person is not a valid suspicion
Yes it is

So is FG's behaviour wolfy or not? What's up with the contradiction?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:01 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:27 am TSP's reads are so off kilter that I suspect he's trying to replicate his "crazy stream of consciousness" town playstyle. I'm not feeling the townread on him and I think "everyone is scum" is a pretty lazy way of looking at this gamestate tbh.

Mac says they’re not reads they’re just comments, which is more or less accurate, but it means that then being off kilter is a ? Also, I have like three town reads. And we’re six hours into day 1.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:02 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:56 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:50 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm People have squinted at me for saying that I have "genuine" reads in the past, as if every read I share as town is supposed to be genuine.

So with that in mind, here's a read of unknown sincerity:

Vulgard is mafia.
I can see it. Pre-slank excuse, mech chatter, and bland greetings.
I could see Vulgard being scum but mostly because their posting looks kinda carefully controlled to be as inoffensive and trigger people's scumdars as little as possible. I had a confused reaction to that mechanic as well so I don't blame them for the mech chatter, and I think pre-slank excuses are NAI. There are very few people (in general, but especially on the Syndicate) who roll scum and then go "alright! I'm going to go and give an excuse so I can coast through D1!" Not only is this just uncommon behavior, it's also suboptimal - you allow yourself to engage in some anti-town behavior, but in exchange you lose a lot of ability to gain trust and manipulate the town. Syndicate is not a site that is afraid to exe slankers and you will win a lot more games by powerwolfing than coasting.
Maphia
Is this a real suspicion on Alison?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:56 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:10 pm Not really feeling Funnygurl's posts either. They feel too shitposty. Like, not in a way that comes from town. Does she always do that?
I’ve had this read about 5 times and it’s not been correct yet

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:40 pm I mean like, calling FG out for being a memey person is not a valid suspicion
Yes it is
So is FG's behaviour wolfy or not? What's up with the contradiction?

It’s a real suspicion on Alison. FG’s behavior isn’t out of line for FG, but it’s reasonable for Vul to think it is. I SRed FG for the same thing the first time I played with them; we were both town.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:03 am**

First five times, yeah?

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:03 am**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

??

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:04 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:03 am First five times, yeah?

Well all the times we’ve played

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:05 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:03 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
??

Little happened between Vul saying "Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much." and then voting him.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:05 am**

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:16 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:43 pm I have a role that can kill Long Con at any time
Him specifically?

Reference to previous game

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:06 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:04 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:03 am First five times, yeah?
Well all the times we’ve played

Help me check that claim.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:06 am**

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:26 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality
Who's scummy?
Everyone besides Nutella and Marmot
Why not nutella?

Nutella towncleared herself on page 6

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:07 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:05 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:16 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:43 pm I have a role that can kill Long Con at any time
Him specifically?
Reference to previous game

Phew. I honestly wasn't sure...Oh my god he said "honestly"!

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:09 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:06 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:26 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality
Who's scummy?
Everyone besides Nutella and Marmot
Why not nutella?
Nutella towncleared herself on page 6

Posts Per Page? My page 6 doesn't have that.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:11 am**

Better yet, just refer to a post number.

Better yet, link to the post.

Better yet, quote it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:12 am**

Scum read on the forced aloof play from Tony.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:15 am**

You’re asking a lot from me

Anyways, by my records, I’ve played three games with FG.

viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1892

You were in this one and I said nothing about FG.

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1867

You were in this one and I said /a lot/ about FG, treating her as a wolf until the game ended.

And the third one is a turbo which was lost because I voted for FG over Sloonei

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:15 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:12 am Scum read on the forced aloof play from Tony.

??

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:16 am**

Is this about the Nutella thing

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:20 am**

It's about how I have to ask for clarification on half the things you're saying.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:30 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:15 am You’re asking a lot from me

Anyways, by my records, I’ve played three games with FG.

viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1892

You were in this one and I said nothing about FG.

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1867

You were in this one and I said /a lot/ about FG, treating her as a wolf until the game ended.

And the third one is a turbo which was lost because I voted for FG over Sloonei

Thanks for the legwork. It doesn't mesh with "I’ve had this read about 5 times and it’s not been correct yet" though, does it?

You're exaggerating your history with FG in order to shunt suspicion away from her.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:37 am**

LC what do you think about sloonei

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