The Syndicate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:06 pm [VOTE: Urist] aubergineThanks Guillotine!

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:18 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 pm The character claims are interesting to me. I find them NAI because we don't know what characters mafia will be, but I think it may actually be useful for us to claim the color of our abilities so that we don't waste mana giving it to others. I'd like some contribution on what extent town should share information relating to their role, but be wary that what you say can give scum info you don't intend to share on your role

colour is 100% tied to abilities, i don't recommend anyone claim colour.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:50 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:48 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:41 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:37 am I don't think it would hurt to share which colour you need.

Urist makes a valid point that colors are related to what your power is, though.

Ok... but say you need a blue mana. If you can't make it with your lands, then it's probably not your main thing. The ability could require blue-white-black, or it could be blue-red-green. I didn't think that revealing the one colour you can't make gives much usable info.

It's wise to err on the side of caution, but that has to balance out with actually being able to ever use your ability.

if you actually need someone to give specific mana to you, i don't think there's much harm in claiming it because otherwise you won't be able to use your ability anyway, it won't matter whether scum knows what it is lol.
i was more getting at the idea that people shouldn't be claiming colours for no reason.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:18 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 pm The character claims are interesting to me. I find them NAI because we don't know what characters mafia will be, but I think it may actually be useful for us to claim the color of our abilities so that we don't waste mana giving it to others. I'd like some contribution on what extent town should share information relating to their role, but be wary that what you say can give scum info you don't intend to share on your role

colour is 100% tied to abilities, i don't recommend anyone claim colour.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:50 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:48 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:41 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:37 am I don't think it would hurt to share which colour you need.

Urist makes a valid point that colors are related to what your power is, though.

Ok... but say you need a blue mana. If you can't make it with your lands, then it's probably not your main thing. The ability could require blue-white-black, or it could be blue-red-green. I didn't think that revealing the one colour you can't make gives much usable info.

It's wise to err on the side of caution, but that has to balance out with actually being able to ever use your ability.

if you actually need someone to give specific mana to you, i don't think there's much harm in claiming it because otherwise you won't be able to use your ability anyway, it won't matter whether scum knows what it is lol.
i was more getting at the idea that people shouldn't be claiming colours for no reason.

Do you not understand why it's beneficial to claim your colour if you need donations to use your ability?

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:48 pmrole hunting

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

This is pretty scummy. Note that he supports others reads and encourages putting pressure on other players, but doesn't do so himself.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:32 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

If you're suggesting it's a post restriction, I'm a little doubtful.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:32 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

If you're suggesting it's a post restriction, I'm a little doubtful.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:36 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:18 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 pm The character claims are interesting to me. I find them NAI because we don't know what characters mafia will be, but I think it may actually be useful for us to claim the color of our abilities so that we don't waste mana giving it to others. I'd like some contribution on what extent town should share information relating to their role, but be wary that what you say can give scum info you don't intend to share on your role

colour is 100% tied to abilities, i don't recommend anyone claim colour.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:50 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:48 am

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:41 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:37 am I don't think it would hurt to share which colour you need.

Urist makes a valid point that colors are related to what your power is, though.

Ok... but say you need a blue mana. If you can't make it with your lands, then it's probably not your main thing. The ability could require blue-white-black, or it could be blue-red-green. I didn't think that revealing the one colour you can't make gives much usable info.

It's wise to err on the side of caution, but that has to balance out with actually being able to ever use your ability.

if you actually need someone to give specific mana to you, i don't think there's much harm in claiming it because otherwise you won't be able to use your ability anyway, it won't matter whether scum knows what it is lol.
i was more getting at the idea that people shouldn't be claiming colours for no reason.

Do you not understand why it's beneficial to claim your colour if you need donations to use your ability?

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:48 pmrole hunting

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:32 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

If you're suggesting it's a post restriction, I'm a little doubtful.

it's because guillotinas previous play style was not healthy and he's trying to change that. Easiest way to change it is to try to filter thoughts through images. That's what I think it probably is

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:32 pm

Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:28 pm what kind of policy is voting guillotina @Urist?

I'm a disgruntled old man and don't really care to play with someone who's making the game harder to read for no reason.

it's not actually for no reason

If you're suggesting it's a post restriction, I'm a little doubtful.

it's because guillotinas previous play style was not healthy and he's trying to change that. Easiest way to change it is to try to filter thoughts through images. That's what I think it probably is

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:24 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:44 pm Well, Nicol Bolas is pretty much a god, right? Or something more powerful, really... he played with the Amonkhet gods like chess pieces, I think.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

If someone asks for black mana, does that indicate they're evil? If someone asks for white, is that good, or at least, a wolf trying to look good?

OR is the colour wheel separate from alignment?

And does answering those questions already reveal too much about one's colours?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:05 pm I need a slight clarification.

This lion is the same as the one with the heart:

Spoiler: show

I take the one with the heart to be "I love this post/player/opinion", but what does this one mean?

You can quote me. Quote two together if it helps.


SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:03 pmhappy

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

When I read it with the idea that it "reads like ted is a wolf", tow things jump out at me. One, his use of "instinct" feels wild and wolfy... but that's just for laughs. Two, more serious, he's casually downplaying the concern about this ability.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

When I read it with the idea that it "reads like ted is a wolf", tow things jump out at me. One, his use of "instinct" feels wild and wolfy... but that's just for laughs. Two, more serious, he's casually downplaying the concern about this ability.

Also, "for our team" lol
guy reads like a middle manager trying to be one of the bois

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

press X to doubt

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:51 pm Ok, well, happy is a lot like positive but ok. Is there a functional difference between that one and the one with the heart?

Is the heart one just the Love version of the Like ( or "happy") one?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:39 pm shaking my head in understanding/agreement with posts.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

If someone asks for black mana, does that indicate they're evil? If someone asks for white, is that good, or at least, a wolf trying to look good?

OR is the colour wheel separate from alignment?

And does answering those questions already reveal too much about one's colours?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

press X to doubt

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

When I read it with the idea that it "reads like ted is a wolf", tow things jump out at me. One, his use of "instinct" feels wild and wolfy... but that's just for laughs. Two, more serious, he's casually downplaying the concern about this ability.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:44 pm Well, Nicol Bolas is pretty much a god, right? Or something more powerful, really... he played with the Amonkhet gods like chess pieces, I think.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:52 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.

the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...

fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.

loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)

my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.

thoughts / concerns about this?

I don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.

Actually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?

When I read it with the idea that it "reads like ted is a wolf", tow things jump out at me. One, his use of "instinct" feels wild and wolfy... but that's just for laughs. Two, more serious, he's casually downplaying the concern about this ability.

Also, "for our team" lol
guy reads like a middle manager trying to be one of the bois

Or "hello fellow townies".

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

This is pretty scummy. Note that he supports others reads and encourages putting pressure on other players, but doesn't do so himself.

You mean the vote I have on Urist? I'm sorry, are you feeling peckish because I'm not actively pushing you or something? nah fam. What more pressure do you want than a legit vote? You think I need to case Urist or something?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:56 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

press X to doubt

I thought is sounded logical. Why should we doubt?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

This is pretty scummy. Note that he supports others reads and encourages putting pressure on other players, but doesn't do so himself.

You mean the vote I have on Urist? I'm sorry, are you feeling peckish because I'm not actively pushing you or something? nah fam. What more pressure do you want than a legit vote? You think I need to case Urist or something?

What exactly is your read on Urist, why are you voting him? What's your read on me, why aren't you pushing me?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

This is pretty scummy. Note that he supports others reads and encourages putting pressure on other players, but doesn't do so himself.

You mean the vote I have on Urist? I'm sorry, are you feeling peckish because I'm not actively pushing you or something? nah fam. What more pressure do you want than a legit vote? You think I need to case Urist or something?

What exactly is your read on Urist, why are you voting him? What's your read on me, why aren't you pushing me?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

This is pretty scummy. Note that he supports others reads and encourages putting pressure on other players, but doesn't do so himself.

You mean the vote I have on Urist? I'm sorry, are you feeling peckish because I'm not actively pushing you or something? nah fam. What more pressure do you want than a legit vote? You think I need to case Urist or something?

What exactly is your read on Urist, why are you voting him? What's your read on me, why aren't you pushing me?

My read on Urist is wolf, and that's why I'm voting for him. My read on you is wolfy as well, for the D0 towncore stuff that I thought was nonsensical and unnecessary, and is reinforced by Guillotine who I town read.
I'm not pushing you b/c I'm currently focusing on Urist. Wait your turn.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:56 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:04 pm So @Urist what is it you're saying then so that I can understand b/c clearly I don't

If a member of the town is unable to use their ability without getting a mana donation of a specific colour, it's better for them to claim that they need that colour than to sit silently and be effectively a VT.
Concrete example: let's say I have an ability that requires two red mana and two green mana, but I only have two green lands and a red land. Which is the more beneficial choice:
a) Claim that I need one red land for my ability, alerting the mafia that I have an ability with a damage component, but potentially allowing me to make use of it.
b) Don't claim anything and take no actions.
A is always the logical choice. B doesn't make much sense, because although it avoids a situation where you're revealing information, you're not able to use your ability anyway so what are you even gaining by being secretive?

press X to doubt

I thought is sounded logical. Why should we doubt?

Couple things that I super hate about that post:
The first is the red comment. Just read that and think about it for a minute, especially in the context of we don't actually know what "red" things do even if we can assume things from the existing MTG color pie.
Second is there are times when not claiming/asking for mana is going to be beneficial to you, A isn't always the logical choice yeah? That's the main point of the X to Doubt comment.
There are other things that concern me about the post that I'm sitting on for now. The last thing I really want to mention is that the post reads as if they're seeing town approval for something, not expressing ideas or thoughts they want to take a stand on.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:08 pm A isn't always the logical choice yeah? That's the main point of the X to Doubt comment..

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:13 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:17 pm With some pressure on Falcon to start doing townie things pretty quickly I think adding some pressure to Urist makes sense here, yes?
I know your sus pool and I'm on board with that.

This is pretty scummy. Note that he supports others reads and encourages putting pressure on other players, but doesn't do so himself.

You mean the vote I have on Urist? I'm sorry, are you feeling peckish because I'm not actively pushing you or something? nah fam. What more pressure do you want than a legit vote? You think I need to case Urist or something?

What exactly is your read on Urist, why are you voting him? What's your read on me, why aren't you pushing me?

My read on Urist is wolf, and that's why I'm voting for him. My read on you is wolfy as well, for the D0 towncore stuff that I thought was nonsensical and unnecessary, and is reinforced by Guillotine who I town read.
I'm not pushing you b/c I'm currently focusing on Urist. Wait your turn.

Joke police and acting like it's scumhunting...now where have I heard this before?