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Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pmIf Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pmI think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:00 pmThe issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.
So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pmNothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pmIf Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pmI think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:00 pmThe issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.
Yes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 pmSo, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pmNothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pmIf Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pmI think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.
[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
It isn't scummy to consider multiple conflicting worlds, but I don't see you trying to figure out what world we are in. You seem to just want to give out wolf reads.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:43 pmYes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 pmSo, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pmNothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pmIf Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pmI think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am
I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.
[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
because he made like ten posts in a row about that one guy everyone is talking about and he has no reason to do that as mafia
I think he’s saying he SR’s Samu independent of Alison’s existence.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 pmSo, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pmNothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pmIf Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pmI think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.
[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
You know what’s funny.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:52 pmIt isn't scummy to consider multiple conflicting worlds, but I don't see you trying to figure out what world we are in. You seem to just want to give out wolf reads.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:43 pmYes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 pmSo, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pmNothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pmIf Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pmI think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.
[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
Do you have any town reads right now?
If you are town, I would change the way you talk about people who call out your behavior. It's not beneficial for the town who think you might be mafia. As a town who is pushing you, it's much harder to interact and changing the read I have when you make post like this.
I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 amSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 amMy vote isnt a joke vote.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:09 pmI tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.
And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.
I clearly say that.
You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 amSorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 pm“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:38 pm I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.
This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.
All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.
You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.
There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: gavial] aubergine
@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.
Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.
Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
No, u havent said a solid argument to put the falcon vs samu to be obvious enough.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:58 amI’ll explain that, then you choose one of em MK?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:44 amI am more curious as to why you listed these players
Samu/Falcon should be obvious enough.
DK due to me getting scum vibes from them and their butt in on the convo.
Sean because he was the first to defend.
Jessie because I wanted to put a zero poster as an option and see what happens.
What exactly are you suggesting I do?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:00 pmIf you are town, I would change the way you talk about people who call out your behavior. It's not beneficial for the town who think you might be mafia. As a town who is pushing you, it's much harder to interact and changing the read I have when you make post like this.
Well you should care or it should at least concern you a bit that Alison’s only reason on TRing you is that from what I recall.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:03 pmI dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 amSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 amMy vote isnt a joke vote.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:09 pmI tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.
And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.
I clearly say that.
You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 amSorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 pm“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:38 pm I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.
This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.
All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.
You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.
There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: gavial] aubergine
@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.
Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.
Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person
The first sentence is asking why Urist is speaking strangely (he is saying stuff like "I can't speak for Urist, but...", but he is Urist.)Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:08 pmIm not understanding this post, can u rewrite?Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:03 pmI dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 amSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 amMy vote isnt a joke vote.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:09 pmI tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.
And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.
I clearly say that.
You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 amSorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 pm“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:38 pm I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.
This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.
All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.
You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.
There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: gavial] aubergine
@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.
Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.
Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person
How do you not understand?Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:08 pmIm not understanding this post, can u rewrite?Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
Put it in this way, what do u give to trust u?Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:57 pmBecause like,DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:54 pm"I can only trust 5 out of 14 players on day one WOE IS ME"
How is this real.
You/Alison/Samu/Falcon/BK aren’t really given me a reason to trust you.
Sean I’m not really sure on and need more from.
That zero poster hasn’t posted.
I don’t remember much from Tony.
Dude, Samu is ESL, this has been mentioned in the thread. I don't think you should berate him for not understanding a post. Especially since words like "quirked" are extremely uncommon, and the way this word is used in mafia doesn't really fit the textbook definition. This post comes off as overly hostile to someone just asking for clarification.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:16 pmSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:03 pmI dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 amSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 amMy vote isnt a joke vote.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:09 pmI tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.
And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.
I clearly say that.
You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 amSorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 pm“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:38 pm I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.
This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.
All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.
You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.
There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: gavial] aubergine
@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.
Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.
Im claryfing to you that im not that type of personHow do you not understand?Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:08 pmIm not understanding this post, can u rewrite?Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)
If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.
Um this is just 5 people I have suggested for DOOM.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:11 pmNo, u havent said a solid argument to put the falcon vs samu to be obvious enough.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:58 amI’ll explain that, then you choose one of em MK?DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:44 amI am more curious as to why you listed these players
Samu/Falcon should be obvious enough.
DK due to me getting scum vibes from them and their butt in on the convo.
Sean because he was the first to defend.
Jessie because I wanted to put a zero poster as an option and see what happens.
What an argument is being "the first to defend" ?
And it sounds like you put jessie for putting something more.
Well at this point i dont wanna unvote you
Can u put a link of your last game being town?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:43 pmYes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 pmSo, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pmNothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pmIf Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pmI think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am
I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.
[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
The first part wasn’t meant to be aggressive it was meant as it is. A question.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:21 pmDude, Samu is ESL, this has been mentioned in the thread. I don't think you should berate him for not understanding a post. Especially since words like "quirked" are extremely uncommon, and the way this word is used in mafia doesn't really fit the textbook definition. This post comes off as overly hostile to someone just asking for clarification.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:16 pmSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:03 pmI dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 amSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 amMy vote isnt a joke vote.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:09 pmI tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.
And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.
I clearly say that.
You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 amSorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 pm“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:38 pm I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.
This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.
All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.
You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.
There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: gavial] aubergine
@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.
Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.
Im claryfing to you that im not that type of personHow do you not understand?Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:08 pmIm not understanding this post, can u rewrite?Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)
If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.
It’s a joke cause I’m voting me (not seriously) with my Top TR and you which I think can just be real poor town.
"How do you not understand?" Is not a real question. It is rhetorical, and hostile. If you didn't mean it that way, then fine, but that is how it comes off.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:26 pmThe first part wasn’t meant to be aggressive it was meant as it is. A question.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:21 pmDude, Samu is ESL, this has been mentioned in the thread. I don't think you should berate him for not understanding a post. Especially since words like "quirked" are extremely uncommon, and the way this word is used in mafia doesn't really fit the textbook definition. This post comes off as overly hostile to someone just asking for clarification.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:16 pmSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:03 pmI dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 amSamusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 amMy vote isnt a joke vote.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:09 pm
I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.
And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.
I clearly say that.
You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 amSorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 pm
“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.
This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.
All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.
You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.
There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: gavial] aubergine
@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.
Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.
Im claryfing to you that im not that type of personHow do you not understand?Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:08 pmIm not understanding this post, can u rewrite?Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 amHave you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 amI can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)
If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.
So when your sane you save your vote and when your not you don’t?
I don't know what this means.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:34 pmSo when your sane you save your vote and when your not you don’t?
I asked u before, what do u win voting yourself and saying at the same time you say you will put your vote in other group of persons?Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:31 pmIt’s a joke cause I’m voting me (not seriously) with my Top TR and you which I think can just be real poor town.
So when Samu voted you, you never felt a need to counter vote?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:36 pmI don't know what this means.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:34 pmSo when your sane you save your vote and when your not you don’t?
I vote when I feel like it?
Am I suppose to win something?Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:39 pmI asked u before, what do u win voting yourself and saying at the same time you say you will put your vote in other group of persons?Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:31 pmIt’s a joke cause I’m voting me (not seriously) with my Top TR and you which I think can just be real poor town.
What have u won with that at this point?
No. I don't vote for people cuz they sus meGavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:48 pmSo when Samu voted you, you never felt a need to counter vote?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:36 pmI don't know what this means.Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:34 pmSo when your sane you save your vote and when your not you don’t?
I vote when I feel like it?