Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:41 am
How about you stop trying to discredit other people and tell me what your solve is instead.
There is no solve. We're still fairly early on in a game where I have only played with around 1/2 of the players. I think Wilgy is wolfy because their posts come off wolfy to me, and I'm wondering if you're power-wolfing here. Beyond that I'm still working on it.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am
by Gavial
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:02 am
It's probably just Gira and Wisp.
Assuming that’s the world we live in.
Who’s their partner?
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am
by EnderWiggin
Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay
Alison quotes a bunch of posts that aren't wolfy at all and calls them wolfy, Dizzy decides to clear her, and then later Alison clears Dizzy (I think).
But I would like some explanation from Alison for why Gira is outed, and I would appreciate if Dizzy could explain what it is about Alison's posting that they found villagery here.
Yeah that’s why I’m really thinking there is scum within Alison/Dizzy.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:51 am
by Alison
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:48 am
Luck is town, I do declare,
Unless he's playing odd for me,
He is acting au contraire,
Unless w/w with Wilgy
I don't get this. If he's W/W with Wilgy he can easily sit back and let Wilgy rake in the townreads. In fact given Wilgy's propensity to be exed D1 I suspect a Luckbox that was wolves with Wilgy would be quite relieved to see those townreads and not want to challenge them at all.
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:41 am
How about you stop trying to discredit other people and tell me what your solve is instead.
There is no solve. We're still fairly early on in a game where I have only played with around 1/2 of the players. I think Wilgy is wolfy because their posts come off wolfy to me, and I'm wondering if you're power-wolfing here. Beyond that I'm still working on it.
So you don't have strong reads but you're quick to discredit others' and cast shade on them for it.
Got it.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:53 am
by Gavial
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am
Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay
I honestly think your town as well.
Never disliked anything you posted and even with your poetic appearance you coming in pushing Wisp and giving reads and the way your doing it feels Townie.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:48 am
Luck is town, I do declare,
Unless he's playing odd for me,
He is acting au contraire,
Unless w/w with Wilgy
I don't get this. If he's W/W with Wilgy he can easily sit back and let Wilgy rake in the townreads. In fact given Wilgy's propensity to be exed D1 I suspect a Luckbox that was wolves with Wilgy would be quite relieved to see those townreads and not want to challenge them at all.
Luck as wolf tends bussing way,
And cannot help but sus his friend,
To sus like that, of all today,
If wolf, then wolf until the end.
In this game it's I alone,
That he would try to fool on this,
Because for others to atone,
The meta tells that are my bliss.
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:02 am
It's probably just Gira and Wisp.
Assuming that’s the world we live in.
Who’s their partner?
Luckbox probably.
Why specifically him over everyone else.
There are a couple players who barely even posted.
Is Luckbox just your third scum read?
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:56 am
by Luckbox Inc
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am
Let me give you a helping hand.
You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.
But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.
Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am
Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay
I honestly think your town as well.
Never disliked anything you posted and even with your poetic appearance you coming in pushing Wisp and giving reads and the way your doing it feels Townie.
I hope this read persists,
When other pieces fall,
Instead of you insists,
Jack/Ender is the call.
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:40 am
@Gavial
this feels like Osie's game 2.0
should I just tunnel Alison?
Going from "I should sheep Alison to see what her results are" to "maybe I should tunnel Alison" when I scumread the person I said I was scumreading is a terrible progression.
Because you are either a town with god reads or you are a wolf tmi'ing.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am
Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay
I honestly think your town as well.
Never disliked anything you posted and even with your poetic appearance you coming in pushing Wisp and giving reads and the way your doing it feels Townie.
I hope this read persists,
When other pieces fall,
Instead of you insists,
Jack/Ender is the call.
Ah making a reference to last game eh?
Lol.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:00 am
by Millium
@Dyslexicon
Well that was an interesting jump in town from earlier, to your response to Seth
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:00 am
by Gavial
Don’t worry man your part of my cult.
I have Nanook and Ender in my Cult now!
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:41 am
How about you stop trying to discredit other people and tell me what your solve is instead.
There is no solve. We're still fairly early on in a game where I have only played with around 1/2 of the players. I think Wilgy is wolfy because their posts come off wolfy to me, and I'm wondering if you're power-wolfing here. Beyond that I'm still working on it.
So you don't have strong reads but you're quick to discredit others' and cast shade on them for it.
Got it.
I'm here participating in the game and trying to figure it out. It's pretty rare for me to have super strong reads early unless I have a lot of meta with a person, which I do not yet have with anyone here. But that doesn't preclude from me from discrediting other's reads and throwing shade around.
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:40 am
@Gavial
this feels like Osie's game 2.0
should I just tunnel Alison?
Going from "I should sheep Alison to see what her results are" to "maybe I should tunnel Alison" when I scumread the person I said I was scumreading is a terrible progression.
Because you are either a town with god reads or you are a wolf tmi'ing.
What?
Why?
That?
Cry?
"TMI" for Gira's Sus?
Can you please explain?
Are you saying you wanna bus?
Or am I misreading something plain?
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:40 am
@Gavial
this feels like Osie's game 2.0
should I just tunnel Alison?
Going from "I should sheep Alison to see what her results are" to "maybe I should tunnel Alison" when I scumread the person I said I was scumreading is a terrible progression.
Because you are either a town with god reads or you are a wolf tmi'ing.
What?
Why?
That?
Cry?
"TMI" for Gira's Sus?
Can you please explain?
Are you saying you wanna bus?
Or am I misreading something plain?
I'm not talking about her wolf reads, that should be fairly obvious, I'm talking about her town reads? Hello???
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
by Luckbox Inc
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:00 am
@Dyslexicon
Well that was an interesting jump in town from earlier, to your response to Seth
Who is Seth?
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
by Millium
Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
by EnderWiggin
Hmmm. Perhaps be clear,
When responding a post,
Where she, such a dear,
Is talking of her scumread most.
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:00 am
@Dyslexicon
Well that was an interesting jump in town from earlier, to your response to Seth
Who is Seth?
Well reading my post, town should have been tone, and Seth is Gaviel
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:06 am
by Millium
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
Hmmm. Perhaps be clear,
When responding a post,
Where she, such a dear,
Is talking of her scumread most.
Coming from the dude writing in posts, ironic
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:07 am
by Millium
Writing in poems*
I'm going to make s coffee
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:07 am
by EnderWiggin
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far
Nanook and I a friendly duel,
Where we try to find the town,
It makes for lovely fuel,
When we put the wrong read down.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
Hmmm. Perhaps be clear,
When responding a post,
Where she, such a dear,
Is talking of her scumread most.
Coming from the dude writing in posts, ironic
Impression such to managed be,
By the player makings posts,
I have chosen, intentionally,
To make it hard to parse my boasts.
This is good and bad as well,
For others try to listen in,
Until I find it hard to tell,
Why tunnels bring us to a win.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:09 am
by Gavial
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far
Idk man.
Usually when someone says they want to sheep me it’s usually a good look.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:09 am
by Luckbox Inc
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far
Having just wolfed with Nanook, I'd give him a town-lean except that it's super exploitable and not worth much. But basically he's not trying as hard as he did in our wolfgame together.
I'm sure he can still be a wolf here pretty easily tough.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:09 am
by Gavial
Although that was just a joke I think the way Nanook presented it was pure.
So I’m just gonna go with it!
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:10 am
by Gavial
Never thought I’d see the day I actually town lean Nanook but Um I did it!
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am
Let me give you a helping hand.
You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.
But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.
Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.
I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.
This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.
Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:40 am
@Gavial
this feels like Osie's game 2.0
should I just tunnel Alison?
Going from "I should sheep Alison to see what her results are" to "maybe I should tunnel Alison" when I scumread the person I said I was scumreading is a terrible progression.
Because you are either a town with god reads or you are a wolf tmi'ing.
What do you think the chances of me being town with wrong reads is?
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am
Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far
Having just wolfed with Nanook, I'd give him a town-lean except that it's super exploitable and not worth much. But basically he's not trying as hard as he did in our wolfgame together.
I'm sure he can still be a wolf here pretty easily tough.
I think Nanook can easily play this funny game as a wolf as early stages in the game, so ya, Im not saying he is a wolf here, i just do t think he deserves the town lean that ender is giving him
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:41 am
How about you stop trying to discredit other people and tell me what your solve is instead.
There is no solve. We're still fairly early on in a game where I have only played with around 1/2 of the players. I think Wilgy is wolfy because their posts come off wolfy to me, and I'm wondering if you're power-wolfing here. Beyond that I'm still working on it.
So you don't have strong reads but you're quick to discredit others' and cast shade on them for it.
Got it.
I'm here participating in the game and trying to figure it out. It's pretty rare for me to have super strong reads early unless I have a lot of meta with a person, which I do not yet have with anyone here. But that doesn't preclude from me from discrediting other's reads and throwing shade around.
It's fine if you don't have strong reads early. I think it's hypocritical to not be able to form strong reads early, but go around pretending like others are reading into stuff that's NAI. Either you can confidently evaluate early posts' scumminess/townieness early or not. If the answer is yes you should have no problem having strong reads early. If the answer is no then what makes you so sure that eg. Gira's posts aren't scummy or that Wilgy's posts aren't townie?
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am
Let me give you a helping hand.
You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.
But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.
Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.
I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.
This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.
Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?
I think what really bothers me about you is the fact you say if Dizzy votes Gira and Gira flips Red, Dizzy is “Probably Town”, then in the next post you call them “Probably Town” anyways.
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:40 am
@Gavial
this feels like Osie's game 2.0
should I just tunnel Alison?
Going from "I should sheep Alison to see what her results are" to "maybe I should tunnel Alison" when I scumread the person I said I was scumreading is a terrible progression.
Because you are either a town with god reads or you are a wolf tmi'ing.
What do you think the chances of me being town with wrong reads is?
That depends on Gira's alignments, I'm not giving two chances to be wrong as town if you are going to play like this. You already called me a wolf, so you are already slightly on my shit list for being wrong
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:14 am
by Gavial
It was like what’s the purpose of the Previous.
Why are you no concerned that Dizzy is still voting their TR and hasn’t stated intent to vote anyone else.
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am
Let me give you a helping hand.
You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.
But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.
Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.
I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.
This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.
Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?
I think what really bothers me about you is the fact you say if Dizzy votes Gira and Gira flips Red, Dizzy is “Probably Town”, then in the next post you call them “Probably Town” anyways.
Someone can be townie for two reasons. I don't get this.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:15 am
by Millium
Also someone asked you why Gira is an obvious wolf, and idk if you answered this?
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:40 am
@Gavial
this feels like Osie's game 2.0
should I just tunnel Alison?
Going from "I should sheep Alison to see what her results are" to "maybe I should tunnel Alison" when I scumread the person I said I was scumreading is a terrible progression.
Because you are either a town with god reads or you are a wolf tmi'ing.
What do you think the chances of me being town with wrong reads is?
That depends on Gira's alignments, I'm not giving two chances to be wrong as town if you are going to play like this. You already called me a wolf, so you are already slightly on my shit list for being wrong
[VOTE:
Wisp] aubergine
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:15 am
by Millium
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:14 am
It was like what’s the purpose of the Previous.
Why are you no concerned that Dizzy is still voting their TR and hasn’t stated intent to vote anyone else.
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am
Let me give you a helping hand.
You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.
But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.
Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.
I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.
This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.
Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?
Re your approach to Dizzy: that's all fine and reasonable.
It's Dizzy's approach to you and the way Dizzy started clearing you basically instantly that I find odd. And some of that might be because in the only other game I played with you the two of you together, Dizzy tunneled you for the entire game, but it seems odd that you would get an insta-clear.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:16 am
by Millium
Someone ping me when Ender and Alison start making better posts.
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:17 am
by Alison
I think Wisp is undergoing some severe cognitive dissonance re: their treatment of me. They are the right vote regardless because I think evidence points to them in every world. If Gira is scum then they are scum for early Gira interactions. But the latest posts by Wisps have given me the uncomfortable feeling that they have TMI on Gira and are setting up the foundation to get me voted out after Gira flips town.
I will guard against that scenario by voting Wisp regardless.
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am
Let me give you a helping hand.
You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.
But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.
Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.
I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.
This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.
Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?
Re your approach to Dizzy: that's all fine and reasonable.
It's Dizzy's approach to you and the way Dizzy started clearing you basically instantly that I find odd. And some of that might be because in the only other game I played with you the two of you together, Dizzy tunneled you for the entire game, but it seems odd that you would get an insta-clear.
uhhhhh you mean the game where he was scum?
Re: Baby Mafia (D1)
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:19 am
by Millium
The only reason that dissonance exists is because you and ender are playing in a way that makes this game unfun for me to interact with, so my posts are being less about solving and more about being oetty
Both bad posts.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:09 pm Lucky is probably town though. Does anyone object? No? Ok good.