Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
I have a great joke I can make about your last name once you become a doctor.MovingPictures07 wrote:But sadly I'm not a Dr. yet.
Sockwalk wrote:Regarding my "different" style of play, Elohcin has provided a tangible reason, that I'm "cheerful", and several players have said that I seem more considerate of others' opinions. This is fair enough. But since it is clearly evident to practically everyone that I'm playing a different style, I have to know, is that all? What about my style is really different?
Then I added - something about playing other sites being refreshing to your game back on your home site.Roxy wrote:Is this a new style for you?MovingPictures07 wrote:Committing to slight civilian read on DDL. I believe him.
I am so surprised you have not locked onto any new players accussing them to be bad in massive wall-o-texts
Jk but still a smallto you.
Good luck pinning Epi down I think I have gotten his alignment right only when I am badJaggedJimmyJay wrote:i have to take note that Epignosis is active lurking right now. he is aware of the game, seemingly following the game, and contributing nothing to it. at face value and independent of meta (which i cannot know beyond MP's descriptions), i find that suspicious.
Also lol at the top posters at this point are seeing each other as good (mostly) (pg 6 standard ppp)
Yeah. That's what I got from MP's comment before this about bass. But again, only one Day 0 interaction. So not sure how concrete this is yet. I'll file it away in the ol' memory bank for later.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MovingPictures07, one might assert you've made a concerted effort here to earn Bass's early good graces without having to commit yourself to a truly positive read -- even if minor.
I'm not generally known for providing 'many' reads. I just wait until I see a thing I think needs pursuing and then go hard at it. Sometimes I find that thing early. So far, I haven't found one.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:the one minor gripe i might make about Golden's posts to this point (which aren't dependent upon the answers given by others like the one above) is that despite his decent thoroughness he hasn't provided many reads.
Different people take a different approach to it.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Wait, what? This is terrible lol. This completely goes against the spirit of the game, imo. Which is that townies should work together to find scum and prioritize the team's victory over their own survival. If this is true, then I suppose it probably encourages the people on this site to be the game badly.
I mean, if all my effort to catch scum will be rendered moot since I might get day 1 lynched for putting myself in the spotlight, then I might as well shut up and try not to be too productive instead, if only to maximise my chances of survival. Seriously, this is beyond terrible.
Whoah, TH. Where did that come from. Care to give me something I can actually respond to?Turnip Head wrote:I agree.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think it's pretty dangerous that people are taking the notion that one of the 5 players to kickstart the game MUST be scum as a foregone conclusion. That encourages a narrower focus of suspicion not only in Day 1, but in all ensuing days until the alleged scum is identified.
There's more to Mafia than mere probability.
Consequentially, I'm voting for Golden. I think he's bad news this game.
As far as I'm aware, TH and I have played exactly one game together, where we were indy teammates. Can't be meta based.Sloonei wrote:care to elaborate? is this a meta-based read?Turnip Head wrote:I agree.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think it's pretty dangerous that people are taking the notion that one of the 5 players to kickstart the game MUST be scum as a foregone conclusion. That encourages a narrower focus of suspicion not only in Day 1, but in all ensuing days until the alleged scum is identified.
There's more to Mafia than mere probability.
Consequentially, I'm voting for Golden. I think he's bad news this game.
I played in TinyBubbles first game. It was very quiet all up, had 12 players, and TinyBubbles was one of the quietest of all. It was also on a froum completely new to mafia where nearly half the players hadn't played before. She was civilian. One game is hardly a representative sample, but I'm definitely not seeing her lurking as a reason to think she is bad.Sloonei wrote:I can't decide if I find Tiny Bubbles' lurking to be scummy or not. They've admitted to being nervous about saying anything at all, which would ordinarily would look very scummy but I am not familiar with them as a player or the Mafia Culture they come from. That said, regardless of anything that level of intense lurking is the easiest way for scum to hide without drawing any attention to themselves.
LOL. No I don't want you lynched I was just wondering because before it seemed like you were only talking about the new people to the site. I do agree the TH has seemed different this game but I going to give him the BOTD until he gives his explanation later.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why me in particular? Are you just trying to get me lynched early.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really don't understand why so many people are throwing around DDL name. I could understand if people have played a game with him before and know his tells but this is his first game here and I have no read on him.
MM out of syndicate regulas who are you getting bad vibes from?
I also agree with splints MP is acting different to the new players and might be something to keep an eye on.It's rare for you to ask me a question instead of voicing a strong baddie suspicion of me. But to answer your question, Elohcin's list of players caught my eye the most. I don't understand how or why she came up with her list of (roughly) 10 players to offer reads on, or lackthereof, and forego the other 9 players in the game.
Every single Syndicater aside from Epignosis seems to have commented on MovingPictures07's different style this game, so that itself is not suspicious. But I've already explained my thoughts on the changes in MovingPictures07, and I don't see why that part of his game is worth watching, but you go ahead and do what you want.
I played with TinyBubbles in her first game. That game was pretty light-hearted (outside of Golden and I going after each other pretty hard). There was not a lot of posting in general, and the civilians performed terribly in that game, myself included. But there were also at least 5 players in that game who had never played mafia before, and a couple more players who had not played in years.Sloonei wrote:I can't decide if I find Tiny Bubbles' lurking to be scummy or not. They've admitted to being nervous about saying anything at all, which would ordinarily would look very scummy but I am not familiar with them as a player or the Mafia Culture they come from. That said, regardless of anything that level of intense lurking is the easiest way for scum to hide without drawing any attention to themselves.
Sure, she can speak for herself, but my opinion is that she might just be intimidated by such a vast amount of posting.
I really am simply having trouble keeping up while being extremely busy doing many things. I have had long days and not many nights at home this week. Boss resigned, more work. Pastor resigned, more preaching. Wife becomes a manager, has to deal with her first employee warning, needs some of my time and attention, plus yesterday I spent more of my time finalising my BSG game to submit in the poll than reading the game. You'll see me get more 'golden-like' (by which I assume he means fierce) when I see something I think looks bad.Turnip Head wrote:I guess the difference is I'm being obviously un-TH like and Golden feels like he's trying to hide it.
I can elaborate when I get home tonight but if you're interested in looking into it just read his filter.
Epignosis wrote:His genes?Black Rock wrote:How is Gman cursed already?
MovingPictures07 wrote:First off, I just want to say I am thoroughly enjoying playing this game with all of you and that I hope sanmateo comes back feeling less frustrated (I understand the feeling) because I've been appreciating his input.
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Regarding my "different" style of play, Elohcin has provided a tangible reason, that I'm "cheerful", and several players have said that I seem more considerate of others' opinions. This is fair enough. But since it is clearly evident to practically everyone that I'm playing a different style, I have to know, is that all? What about my style is really different?
I think this is a fair representation about what could possibly be different about my posting style, but I don't see how that would play into my alignment.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: MP: was a big aspect at the beginning, but I kind of buy his and other people's justification that he is trying to adapt to multiple communities and his return to mafia. To be fair, his style of being nice to others is how he acts pretty much everywhere I talked to him.
Bass says, for example, that it's something to keep on eye on. Yet clearly regardless of my two alignments (since we received two roles) I have been this way the entire game, correct? Or have I not? Can someone clarify here?
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Regarding civilians not winning unless they are alive, let me elaborate. It seemed to be a general trend when I played games at Lostpedia and affiliated mafia sites, so when I started hosting I set mine up that way, but over time I have grown less and less happy with this policy. As MM noted, in Death Note, I allowed any player to win if dead so long as their win condition is established, and I was very happy with it. The problem, I believe, that many have with letting the entire faction win (either civilians or mafia, but especially civilians) is that some civilians may have contributed practically nothing to the cause, and the sense of accomplishment that accompanies surviving until endgame and defeating mafia makes for a more satisfying and exclusive win title.
That said, there are absolutely no hard and fast rules here at this site when it comes to many of these things, even open setups or whatever. It's all up to every single individual host.
Personally, I plan on incorporating dead wins as much as I can for reasons that DDL stated, but I still like to make people work for their wins.
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It's interesting that Turnip Head has pulled the trigger on Golden because there's a weird vibe to him that I've been getting all game, but have been waiting to see how he'd continue throughout the Day period. The feeling I am receiving from Golden is that he isn't being entirely truthful; I also think some of his statements have been questionable, such as being worried about a new person being bandwagoned, etc., particularly when many people here at TS tend to at least allow players new to the site somewhat or an entire free pass on Day 1.
I'm going to try to refine my opinions on players and can elucidate this further when I update my next Rainbow List. I'm curious what Turnip Head has to say further as well.
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Here is a Gender Guide, which I can now actually make since I know everyone's gender (thanks to Golden correcting me on TinyBubbles). :P
I typically include these in my games when I'm hosting, but I don't think many hosts do. Hope this helps. Blue is male and pink is female.
acrosstheaether
Bass_the_Clever
birdwithteeth11
Black Rock
Dom
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
Epignosis
fingersplints
G-Man
Golden
JaggedJimmyJay
Metalmarsh89
MovingPictures07
Roxy
sanmateo
Sloonei
TinyBubbles
Turnip Head
Stop saying the same things that I am saying.Golden wrote:I played in TinyBubbles first game. It was very quiet all up, had 12 players, and TinyBubbles was one of the quietest of all. It was also on a froum completely new to mafia where nearly half the players hadn't played before. She was civilian. One game is hardly a representative sample, but I'm definitely not seeing her lurking as a reason to think she is bad.Sloonei wrote:I can't decide if I find Tiny Bubbles' lurking to be scummy or not. They've admitted to being nervous about saying anything at all, which would ordinarily would look very scummy but I am not familiar with them as a player or the Mafia Culture they come from. That said, regardless of anything that level of intense lurking is the easiest way for scum to hide without drawing any attention to themselves.
Hello G-Man.G-Man wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hello G-Man.
What are your thoughts on this day period?
How would you feel if I voted for you?G-Man wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hello G-Man.
What are your thoughts on this day period?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:How would you feel if I voted for you?
How would you feel if I voted for JaggedJimmyJay?G-Man wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:How would you feel if I voted for you?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:How would you feel if I voted for JaggedJimmyJay?
I was expecting to read "Wife resigned, more laundry."Golden wrote:I really am simply having trouble keeping up while being extremely busy doing many things. I have had long days and not many nights at home this week. Boss resigned, more work. Pastor resigned, more preaching. Wife becomes a manager, has to deal with her first employee warning, needs some of my time and attention, plus yesterday I spent more of my time finalising my BSG game to submit in the poll than reading the game. You'll see me get more 'golden-like' (by which I assume he means fierce) when I see something I think looks bad.Turnip Head wrote:I guess the difference is I'm being obviously un-TH like and Golden feels like he's trying to hide it.
I can elaborate when I get home tonight but if you're interested in looking into it just read his filter.
Why are you using fingersplints smily?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Stop saying the same things that I am saying.Golden wrote:I played in TinyBubbles first game. It was very quiet all up, had 12 players, and TinyBubbles was one of the quietest of all. It was also on a froum completely new to mafia where nearly half the players hadn't played before. She was civilian. One game is hardly a representative sample, but I'm definitely not seeing her lurking as a reason to think she is bad.Sloonei wrote:I can't decide if I find Tiny Bubbles' lurking to be scummy or not. They've admitted to being nervous about saying anything at all, which would ordinarily would look very scummy but I am not familiar with them as a player or the Mafia Culture they come from. That said, regardless of anything that level of intense lurking is the easiest way for scum to hide without drawing any attention to themselves.
Expository or topical, just curious?Golden wrote:Pastor resigned, more preaching.
I didn't realize I defended you. I thought I was just saying how I perceived it. I felt Elohcin was trying to blow it out of proportion which made me eye her. I guess my words could have been perceived as defending.MovingPictures07 wrote:TASTE THE RAINBOW!!! #2
Dragon D. Luffy -- (no change) -- I still think he is genuine, but I'm certainly not discounting the possibility of him being mafia.
Elohcin -- (previously No read or unsure) -- I am feeling solid about Elo after her exchange with me and I feel as though I am seeing engaged civilian Elohcin as opposed to engaged baddie or disengaged baddie Elohcin. Her thoughts, while at first confusing to me, were clarified in a seemingly genuine fashion. I also do not think she would have fabricated such a suspicion on me if she did not believe it, especially with that reasoning. That said, I want to hear more from her.
JaggedJimmyJay -- (no change) -- Still seems like normal Jay to me. Not seeing anything alarming just yet, but I'm hesitant to trust him, since he does an impressive civilian attitude even when he is mafia.
sanmateo -- (previously Very slight mafia read) -- Although I would still like to see more affirmative statements from him, his interaction with DDL struck me as more genuine than not, and I think he was feeling genuinely frustrated, hence the escalation.
Epignosis -- (previously No read or unsure) -- I believe his attempts to generate discussion have been genuine, but I'm far from convinced.
Turnip Head -- (previously No read or unsure) -- His unique approach to this game, despite not saying much so far, has me leaning very slightly civilian.
acrosstheaether
birdwithteeth11
Dom
fingersplints
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
Roxy
TinyBubbles
Bass_the_Clever -- (previously Very slight civilian read) -- I need to hear more. I also need clarification on why my behavior is worth keeping an eye on.
Black Rock -- (previously Very slight civilian read) -- While I appreciate her defense of me against Elohcin's accusation, I'm not convinced it's coming from a civilian mindset. I need to hear more.
Golden -- (previously No read or unsure) -- It is interesting that I am on the same page as Turnip Head here, but as I simmered on thoughts during class, I also came to the conclusion that Golden is hiding something. He certainly is not seemingly transparent with all of his thoughts, or at least that's the impression I'm getting. The fact that he has refused to substantiate his opinions and analyze in his super-Golden-lawyer mode is disconcerting. Obviously this is still a "slight" read, but I need Golden to come in here and alleviate some concerns.
Sloonei -- (previously Very slight civilian read) -- He has dropped due to an inability to really get the ball rolling on suspects and contribute more than uncertain statements. What say you, Sloonei?
For reference:
Very strong civilian read
Strong civilian read
Moderate civilian read
Slight civilian read
Very slight civilian read
No read or unsure
Very slight mafia read
Slight mafia read
Moderate mafia read
Strong mafia read
Very strong mafia read
Be back later. I have to accomplish some tasks. I also would like to hear Rox's elaboration on why she feels the opposite regarding Golden.
I have done little else but analyze DDL's posts and I haven't accused anyone of being Mafia but him. So it is strange, then, that DLL is "leaning town, but not much" on me, but makes it clear that he thinks sanmateo is "a misguided townie. A VERY misguided townie."Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Epignosis: his activity is kind of weird, with very little posts, but containing sharp accusations. Seems to be more like player style than actual scumminess. I'm leaning town, but not much.
sanmateo: I swear this guy seems to have the interpretation skills of a rock. Nobody in this thread has demanded more effort from me to make my posts understood than this guy, because anything I say, ANYTHING, he understands wrong. Plus, he hasn't done anything in this game other than accusing me. Yesterday his excuse for that was that I was the only active player he knew, but now most people have been active and he is still tunneling on me. Feels like scum, but I can't believe scum would be that bad. He is attracting heat from others and for a good reason. I'm reading him as a misguided townie. A VERY misguided townie.
That's awfully forward of you!Elohcin wrote:Expository or topical, just curious?
My actual first name rhymes with your username and also happens to be a popular car maker in New Zealand (and Australia).Golden wrote:Why are you using fingersplints smily?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Stop saying the same things that I am saying.Golden wrote:I played in TinyBubbles first game. It was very quiet all up, had 12 players, and TinyBubbles was one of the quietest of all. It was also on a froum completely new to mafia where nearly half the players hadn't played before. She was civilian. One game is hardly a representative sample, but I'm definitely not seeing her lurking as a reason to think she is bad.Sloonei wrote:I can't decide if I find Tiny Bubbles' lurking to be scummy or not. They've admitted to being nervous about saying anything at all, which would ordinarily would look very scummy but I am not familiar with them as a player or the Mafia Culture they come from. That said, regardless of anything that level of intense lurking is the easiest way for scum to hide without drawing any attention to themselves.
Just responding as I read stuff today. I read that you'd basically said it already after I wrote it.
Next post - golden's history at the syndicate (and thus all TH knows of me).
I would have assumed he was insulting your masculinity.Epignosis wrote:You claim I have "very little posts." I'm assuming you mean that I have "very few posts" and not very tiny posts.
I'm not sure yet. I'm waiting to see what else he has to say about his vote.MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry for multiple posts. Golden, I'm unclear. Do you suspect TH or not? How do you feel about him?
Because you are being really nice to the new players and its so different then the way you acted in other games towards new players so yeah I want to get my eye on you because this is not normal for you.MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks for that, Rox! Sorry, I must have missed that.
I don't feel like bandwagoning people with practically 0% accuracy anymore, though I'd hesitate to say that's the only hallmark of my style. It derails games, it makes me look bad and get lynched, and gets whomever I'm bandwagoning get lynched. Cars Mafia is the best example. What a terrible civilian game of mine that was. I prefer to use lists to express my thoughts transparently as to how I'm feeling.
That said, when I suspect someone heavily, as usual, you'll know.
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Bass, I understand, but would that not influence your viewpoint of me regardless of whether I was playing differently? I'm afraid I just don't understand the connection you're making between 'MP acting differently' and 'I should keep my eye on him more than normal'.
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Golden, thanks for elaborating. It makes me feel a bit better about you, but not enough, since you're back up in my "not sure" category at the moment.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Has anyone considered that G-Man is pulling a gambit, isn't actually cursed, and is skating by on Day 1?
Why did a couple of players automatically dismiss any future suspicion of him assuming he's cursed?
Nothing to find him suspicious of today and don't like to vote cursed players. He doesn't get a free pass the whole game though.Fair enough, thanks!Golden wrote:I'm not sure yet. I'm waiting to see what else he has to say about his vote.MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry for multiple posts. Golden, I'm unclear. Do you suspect TH or not? How do you feel about him?
I don't overly like that he thinks he can identify what is 'ungolden' after only two games with me.
On the other hand, I can't disagree that my game so far does not look like people's perceptions of me (perceptions, not reality). I know I'm remembered far more for the times I come out swinging than the times I don't, and it becomes a reputation. This is by no means the first time that people have suspected me incorrectly for not coming out swinging on day one, and I doubt it will be the last. I've learned not to find people suspecting me as inherently suspicious, as it can be my blind spot.
How is it really that different? Am I really that hostile to new players in particular?Bass_the_Clever wrote: Because you are being really nice to the new players and its so different then the way you acted in other games towards new players so yeah I want to get my eye on you because this is not normal for you.
I don't disagree. I just was throwing it out there. I don't have any reason to suspect G-Man; I just find it interesting that people will blatantly consider a vote for someone putting themselves out there (like DDL, Jay, or myself, for example), but will not consider one for G-Man, even though we have absolutely no explanation for his behavior and he could very well be faking it.fingersplints wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Has anyone considered that G-Man is pulling a gambit, isn't actually cursed, and is skating by on Day 1?
Why did a couple of players automatically dismiss any future suspicion of him assuming he's cursed?
The one game that stands out in my mind was Dr.Who where you went after Zeek super hard and that was his first game on the syndicate.MovingPictures07 wrote:Fair enough, thanks!Golden wrote:I'm not sure yet. I'm waiting to see what else he has to say about his vote.MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry for multiple posts. Golden, I'm unclear. Do you suspect TH or not? How do you feel about him?
I don't overly like that he thinks he can identify what is 'ungolden' after only two games with me.
On the other hand, I can't disagree that my game so far does not look like people's perceptions of me (perceptions, not reality). I know I'm remembered far more for the times I come out swinging than the times I don't, and it becomes a reputation. This is by no means the first time that people have suspected me incorrectly for not coming out swinging on day one, and I doubt it will be the last. I've learned not to find people suspecting me as inherently suspicious, as it can be my blind spot.
How is it really that different? Am I really that hostile to new players in particular?Bass_the_Clever wrote: Because you are being really nice to the new players and its so different then the way you acted in other games towards new players so yeah I want to get my eye on you because this is not normal for you.
How am I being so much nicer to them than anyone else? Or am I not?
So because something is not 'normal' it inevitably impacts my alignment?
What if I posted a lot less, but still contributed content, due to my RL situation?
I don't disagree. I just was throwing it out there. I don't have any reason to suspect G-Man; I just find it interesting that people will blatantly consider a vote for someone putting themselves out there (like DDL, Jay, or myself, for example), but will not consider one for G-Man, even though we have absolutely no explanation for his behavior and he could very well be faking it.fingersplints wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Has anyone considered that G-Man is pulling a gambit, isn't actually cursed, and is skating by on Day 1?
Why did a couple of players automatically dismiss any future suspicion of him assuming he's cursed?
LOL, yes, fair enough. But consider the following:Bass_the_Clever wrote: The one game that stands out in my mind was Dr.Who where you went after Zeek super hard and that was his first game on the syndicate.
Then it's fine I was just pointing out I agreed with splints that you were playing different then I have seen in the past. If I started to play different like if I started to posting a lot and I started pulling quotes would you not think something was up? Would you not want to watch me more closely?MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, yes, fair enough. But consider the following:Bass_the_Clever wrote: The one game that stands out in my mind was Dr.Who where you went after Zeek super hard and that was his first game on the syndicate.
What if I genuinely don't suspect any of the new players?
I'd definitely think your behavior is different, but recognize that there could be many factors playing into your change of pace, including an influx of RL availability, or perhaps a desire to switch up your game for various possible reasons, etc.Bass_the_Clever wrote:Then it's fine I was just pointing out I agreed with splints that you were playing different then I have seen in the past. If I started to play different like if I started to posting a lot and I started pulling quotes would you not think something was up? Would you not want to watch me more closely?MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, yes, fair enough. But consider the following:Bass_the_Clever wrote: The one game that stands out in my mind was Dr.Who where you went after Zeek super hard and that was his first game on the syndicate.
What if I genuinely don't suspect any of the new players?
I'm not sure how I feel about you or anyone yet its only early day one.MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd definitely think your behavior is different, but recognize that there could be many factors playing into your change of pace, including an influx of RL availability, or perhaps a desire to switch up your game for various possible reasons, etc.Bass_the_Clever wrote:Then it's fine I was just pointing out I agreed with splints that you were playing different then I have seen in the past. If I started to play different like if I started to posting a lot and I started pulling quotes would you not think something was up? Would you not want to watch me more closely?MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, yes, fair enough. But consider the following:Bass_the_Clever wrote: The one game that stands out in my mind was Dr.Who where you went after Zeek super hard and that was his first game on the syndicate.
What if I genuinely don't suspect any of the new players?
Do you think I'm bad?
You have literally no opinions on anyone despite all of the discussion thus far?Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about you or anyone yet its only early day one.MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd definitely think your behavior is different, but recognize that there could be many factors playing into your change of pace, including an influx of RL availability, or perhaps a desire to switch up your game for various possible reasons, etc.Bass_the_Clever wrote:Then it's fine I was just pointing out I agreed with splints that you were playing different then I have seen in the past. If I started to play different like if I started to posting a lot and I started pulling quotes would you not think something was up? Would you not want to watch me more closely?MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, yes, fair enough. But consider the following:Bass_the_Clever wrote: The one game that stands out in my mind was Dr.Who where you went after Zeek super hard and that was his first game on the syndicate.
What if I genuinely don't suspect any of the new players?
Do you think I'm bad?
