The Syndicate

Tim Drake was the third Robin

DharmaHelper wrote:Tim Drake was the third Robin

Eartha Kitt was the third Catwoman.

DharmaHelper wrote:Check out MP's adverb usage before and after my interaction with him, and then check out his adverb usage during my calling him out about being bad for using adverbs. Drastic jump. Got em.

Might be something to it. I don't like to use the whole adverb "thing" (since we can't agree on the difference between "theory" and "concept") as my basis for a case on someone. But it could very well influence it.

Adverbs are weasel words. You bunch of weasels.

Typhoony wrote:I voted 1.
They all seems to have options for shenanigans, but atleast 1 has the option for a Lynch pardon... And if there's one thing that sucks, it's getting lynched D1 in Recruitment Mafia

I was leaning towards #5 to go ahead and get some chaos out of the way early, but if there's a lynch pardon under Tier 1, I like the idea of that if we screw up the lynch on Day 1.

Votes Option #1

and hope that the person with the lynch pardon knows that a mistake is being made.

reywaS wrote:Adverbs are weasel words. You bunch of weasels.

Usually they are.

Someone who gets it.

As the day drew to a close, Caelia stood in the highest tower of Ilmareth and looked out over the realm with a heavy heart. Her thoughts turned to the legacy of Serenity the Technomagus. With her goddess-like level of power and a heart of pure compassion, Serenity had ruled over a virtual utopia for many generations. Caelia was never to meet the famed Technomagus, for Serenity had vanished over a decade before Caelia had been born.

Caelia had grown up on recordings and teachings of the Technomagus, and had dedicated her life early on to Serenity's cause. In her innermost heart, Caelia believed that Serenity wasn't truly gone, and that she would return someday. But what kind of realm would she return to?

Already, there were rumours of deserters in her own ranks, and similar stories of chaos from around the land. Murder at Aj'Naleph Monastery. Whispers of a cruel affliction known only as The Hunger were causing some to panic.

"Help me, Serenity," she prayed quietly. "Give me the strength and grace of the Luminarch, and I will restore tranquility to this land!"

With that, Caelia turned and headed for her bed, silently adding, At least, let there be one more night of peace. Just one.
Erlatz
Caelia's final prayer has been answered, and Night 0 has passed without incident. Day 1 has begun, and there are a few among you already who wish to cause harm to the rest. Find one and lynch them!

Dat lynch poll tho

Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

Ok, so today's package is

Lynch Pardon (civ leader)
Redirect Night powers (civ leader)
Immune to NK/Lynch (mafia leader)
Power Steal (mafia leader)
Insanifier
Seduction
Mind Control
Role Nullifier
Tracker
Heal
Randomly blows votes
Cremates a body (does this actually require a body, i.e. a dead player to cremate, possibly making him unrezzable q.m.)
Immune to all Kills
Untargetable
Can’t die as long as [lover] is alive
End day period early
Seemer
Message to the thread through host
Switches two targets
Dead role check
Boon
Picks Player
Picks 3 minus or plus votes
Kill a Sorcerer
Switch three roles powers
Randomize three players, block one, protect one, kill one
Finds out how many of each clan are recruited or unrecruited, and the status of Clan Leaders
Magnetically repel night powers to random targets
Knowing who a Position 1 role targeted
Message to the thread
Protects all Guardians (indy leader)

But I also have half past three am on my clock, so see you tomorrow.

Discuss lynching llama until then, please.

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

Can we talk about whether we should lynch you?

What about - if the person who you vote for is lynched, should the lynch pardon be used?

Ricochet wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:First off, I'm checking in for the first time.

Secondly, if this is how much talk we're going to get on Day 0, my work schedule will not be very conducive to this game. Which has me worried already.

But that's okay. I'll just night-kill the highest poster every night since they're all on competing baddie teams.

sup executioner

Ricochet wrote:Ok, so today's package is

Lynch Pardon (civ leader)
Redirect Night powers (civ leader)
Immune to NK/Lynch (mafia leader)
Power Steal (mafia leader)
Insanifier
Seduction
Mind Control
Role Nullifier
Tracker
Heal
Randomly blows votes
Cremates a body (does this actually require a body, i.e. a dead player to cremate, possibly making him unrezzable q.m.)
Immune to all Kills
Untargetable
Can’t die as long as [lover] is alive
End day period early
Seemer
Message to the thread through host
Switches two targets
Dead role check
Boon
Picks Player
Picks 3 minus or plus votes
Kill a Sorcerer
Switch three roles powers
Randomize three players, block one, protect one, kill one
Finds out how many of each clan are recruited or unrecruited, and the status of Clan Leaders
Magnetically repel night powers to random targets
Knowing who a Position 1 role targeted
Message to the thread
Protects all Guardians (indy leader)

But I also have half past three am on my clock, so see you tomorrow.

Discuss lynching llama until then, please.

Thanks for this.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:First off, I'm checking in for the first time.

Secondly, if this is how much talk we're going to get on Day 0, my work schedule will not be very conducive to this game. Which has me worried already.

But that's okay. I'll just night-kill the highest poster every night since they're all on competing baddie teams.

Or we can just lynch you instead.

No u

Golden wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

Can we talk about whether we should lynch you?

What about - if the person who you vote for is lynched, should the lynch pardon be used?

If you like.

I think the latter question depends on who is ultimately the lynchee.

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

How about if we should lynch you for already deciding who you're voting for with little explanation?

Also, I completely forgot who you said you're voting for so yeah there's that...

Well the lynchee is whoever you vote for in that scenario, and you already know who they are, so...

Should the lynch save be used to save the person you are voting for?

How has no one posted this yet?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

How about if we should lynch you for already deciding who you're voting for with little explanation?

Also, I completely forgot who you said you're voting for so yeah there's that...

Would you like an explanation? I would be happy to provide one.

linki Golden: I don't think the lynch save should be used on the person I will be voting for, because I think that person is bad.

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

How about if we should lynch you for already deciding who you're voting for with little explanation?

Also, I completely forgot who you said you're voting for so yeah there's that...

Would you like an explanation? I would be happy to provide one.

linki Golden: I don't think the lynch save should be used on the person I will be voting for, because I think that person is bad.

Is that person still bubbles?

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

How about if we should lynch you for already deciding who you're voting for with little explanation?

Also, I completely forgot who you said you're voting for so yeah there's that...

Would you like an explanation? I would be happy to provide one.

linki Golden: I don't think the lynch save should be used on the person I will be voting for, because I think that person is bad.

Well Golden's post reminded me it was Bubbles. So yeah, either an explanation or a link back to your reason why would suffice for now.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

How about if we should lynch you for already deciding who you're voting for with little explanation?

Also, I completely forgot who you said you're voting for so yeah there's that...

Would you like an explanation? I would be happy to provide one.

linki Golden: I don't think the lynch save should be used on the person I will be voting for, because I think that person is bad.

Well Golden's post reminded me it was Bubbles. So yeah, either an explanation or a link back to your reason why would suffice for now.

I asked Bubbles if she was bad, and she said she was. Why would she lie about that?

Dingus Dangus.

Here is the relevant post.

thellama73 wrote:Here is the relevant post.

So you think she's bad because she said she's bad? That seems reaching to me.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Here is the relevant post.

So you think she's bad because she said she's bad? That seems reaching to me.

You've gotten awfully cynical. I prefer to take people at their word.

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Here is the relevant post.

So you think she's bad because she said she's bad? That seems reaching to me.

You've gotten awfully cynical. I prefer to take people at their word.

Or maybe this is a Llama Gambit I'm not aware of?

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?

How about if we should lynch you for already deciding who you're voting for with little explanation?

Also, I completely forgot who you said you're voting for so yeah there's that...

Would you like an explanation? I would be happy to provide one.

linki Golden: I don't think the lynch save should be used on the person I will be voting for, because I think that person is bad.

Well Golden's post reminded me it was Bubbles. So yeah, either an explanation or a link back to your reason why would suffice for now.

I asked Bubbles if she was bad, and she said she was. Why would she lie about that?

You remind me of Absalom.

I did not read bubbles post as a statement of fact, but as a sarcastic response to your question, and won't be voting that way myself. I did not mind her reaction. I think it spoke to neutrality, and I don't think she would have been a likely choice for a recruit after that point.

TinyBubbles wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:POST. hi everyone

POST. Hi Tinybubbles. Did you finally get a mafia role this time around?

hi MM i'm afraid not. i think i'm going for a mafia record here lol

She also said this ^^

So you are preferring to take her at her word for one post but not another?

S~V~S wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:POST. hi everyone

POST. Hi Tinybubbles. Did you finally get a mafia role this time around?

hi MM i'm afraid not. i think i'm going for a mafia record here lol

She also said this ^^

So you are preferring to take her at her word for one post but not another?

In fact, she said that first.

SVS - help me with a bit of theorycrafting. (For anyone who asks, I asked SVS specifically because I know her brain works a lot differently to mine and so I think her perspective can be very helpful to me, but I'm interested in anyones view). If you were a baddie leader, what would your preferred approach be on day one - try and recruit someone you know is a major FEB and could be a big asset to the team, or try and recruit someone no-one would suspect?

I'm half joking, but only half. Some players, newer players especially, are uncomfortable flat out lying to direct questions, and so they dodge them or make a joke instead. It sounds stupid, but sometimes it works.

S~V~S wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:POST. hi everyone

POST. Hi Tinybubbles. Did you finally get a mafia role this time around?

hi MM i'm afraid not. i think i'm going for a mafia record here lol

She also said this ^^

So you are preferring to take her at her word for one post but not another?

That just proves that one of those two posts is a lie. Do you really trust a liar not to be bad?

thellama73 wrote:I'm half joking, but only half. Some players, newer players especially, are uncomfortable flat out lying to direct questions, and so they dodge them or make a joke instead. It sounds stupid, but sometimes it works.

Maybe. But I don't see how that's enough to decide to vote for someone so soon. Especially when we have so much more time to discuss other possibilities.

Linki: "Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt."[1][2] Sarcasm may employ ambivalence,[3] although sarcasm is not necessarily ironic.[4] "The distinctive quality of sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflections".[5] The sarcastic content of a statement will be dependent upon the context in which it appears.[6]"

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:POST. hi everyone

POST. Hi Tinybubbles. Did you finally get a mafia role this time around?

hi MM i'm afraid not. i think i'm going for a mafia record here lol

She also said this ^^

So you are preferring to take her at her word for one post but not another?

In fact, she said that first.

SVS - help me with a bit of theorycrafting. (For anyone who asks, I asked SVS specifically because I know her brain works a lot differently to mine and so I think her perspective can be very helpful to me, but I'm interested in anyones view). If you were a baddie leader, what would your preferred approach be on day one - try and recruit someone you know is a major FEB and could be a big asset to the team, or try and recruit someone no-one would suspect?

That's a hard question.

I would either recruit someone who I would have fun with, OR i would recruit someone who has what i lack (which was my strategy when i used to hire my own assistants irl). Someone who was a better strategist (I am a good tactician, but a poor strategist) and perhaps better at the technical game, sussing out roles, etc. which is something I am the suck at. I have done both in the past. I don't think it matters if they are a FEB or not, tbh. That would not come into my considerations.

Does that answer your question?

Linki, ending someones game for something so trivial is ill done, imo. Especially when based on a nonsensical premise. "She said so". Well, she also said "not so". Make up your mind.

That does answer my question, although it unfortunately only complicated my thinking to the point where I realised there are so many potential motivations that it isn't particularly reliable as a way of figuring out who to vote.

Interesting that 'whether they are a FEB' wouldn't come in to it, because that was the bit I was hoping might be most useful.

I tend to judge people as individuals not as reputations. My best game of all time was Rabbits SOT, I was a ... civvie. We had a large civ BTS group, and we worked pretty well together. That team has been my gold standard of what a team should be. Not so much for the individuals (although they all were awesome and people in the Mafia community that I <3 maybe a bit more than most) but for the way we worked together. I would want cohesion more than anything, really. Team players, no Prima Donnas.

What was your theory?

So first, responses to things I saw yesterday and got too sleepy to respond to...

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Im going with number one. Its always best to start at the beginning.

What about Pulp Fiction? Lines for rides at Disney World? Other examples I have?

Roxy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I have a feeling the conclusion of this D0 will be closer to Just Pick Anything (and Hold on to your Butts) than something else.

Having been a recruiter in the last Recruitment game on RM I can tell you the Day 0 poll then had everything to with determining who got to recruit first depending on which poll options that were chosen - I was told what would benefit me before the game started.

I am going to think that some people must have info in this poll so I will look at those who push an option - it was my downfall last game

Thanks for the heads up! I had no idea people would have info. Everyone used to always ask, but it's been so long since there was poll info I guess we all stopped.

S~V~S wrote: Linki, ending someones game for something so trivial is ill done, imo. Especially when based on a nonsensical premise. "She said so". Well, she also said "not so". Make up your mind.

But you just said it was stupid to make up my mind so early. I think the fact that I haven't voted yet is a pretty good indication that I haven't actually made up my mind of who to vote for, not completely. TinyBubbles remains a frontrunner, but 48 hours is a long time.

S~V~S wrote:I tend to judge people as individuals not as reputations. My best game of all time was Rabbits SOT, I was a ... civvie. We had a large civ BTS group, and we worked pretty well together. That team has been my gold standard of what a team should be. Not so much for the individuals (although they all were awesome and people in the Mafia community that I <3 maybe a bit more than most) but for the way we worked together. I would want cohesion more than anything, really. Team players, no Prima Donnas.

What was your theory?

That a good choice for a first lynch might be someone who has a reputation for surviving deep and not getting caught when bad, since a baddie might try to recruit someone that gave them the best shot at winning. Someone like DF or DP, for example, who frequently fly under the radar. Or someone like Typhoony or llama who can often survive deep on their wily skills by not being too civvish to NK nor too baddie-looking to get lynched.

But if I look at my own psyche, I'd probably just pick people who I felt I could have fun with too. Or that I really wanted to have btsc with because I hadn't yet, or something.

Golden wrote:BWT, technically not all of those 6 things are definitions of sarcasm.

I know. But I was trying to prove a point. :P

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Linki, ending someones game for something so trivial is ill done, imo. Especially when based on a nonsensical premise. "She said so". Well, she also said "not so". Make up your mind.

But you just said it was stupid to make up my mind so early. I think the fact that I haven't voted yet is a pretty good indication that I haven't actually made up my mind of who to vote for, not completely. TinyBubbles remains a frontrunner, but 48 hours is a long time.

Okay, then you weren't being serious at all about voting for her so soon?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Linki, ending someones game for something so trivial is ill done, imo. Especially when based on a nonsensical premise. "She said so". Well, she also said "not so". Make up your mind.

But you just said it was stupid to make up my mind so early. I think the fact that I haven't voted yet is a pretty good indication that I haven't actually made up my mind of who to vote for, not completely. TinyBubbles remains a frontrunner, but 48 hours is a long time.

Okay, then you weren't being serious at all about voting for her so soon?

I never intended to vote early in the day. That is foolish when so much is yet to emerge. But I was serious about her being my top suspect at the moment.

Ok.

Getting caught up with this beast of a Day 0. Damn. It's like calling my grandmother.

"Hi Nana. Oh I'm good. What's new with you?"

Then put down the phone, do some laundry, maybe taxes, come back every 10 minutes and occasionally reaffirm my presence with an "Mmhmm" or a "Praise Jesus" or what have you.

It's going to be a bitch to sort out Guardians from Sorcerers here with the entire population of Russia playing this game, but I'ma try.

I honestly have no leads. Someone tell me who is using the least amount of adverbs.

Ope, and it's Day 1. I'm pretty behind I guess.

I also have a pretty behind I'm told

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

timmer wrote: How are people going to handle the unrecruited side of things? Last game, I rather infamously flamed out, and it all started when I admitted that I didn't give a crap who got lynched since I was neutral. There was more to it than that afterwards, but that was essentially the big issue. It was pointed out that the rules of R3 said that an unrecruited player was sort of a civ, but in THIS game, I see the rules state that an unrecruited player is neutral and has only to survive to win. So how does that play out this time? Are you guys still feeling like it makes more sense to "think civ"? Or is this sort of a LMS format that segues into a more traditional team format, with an awkward middle?

I'm happy either way, I just need clarity for my own sense of sanity, lol.

The bolded/underlined is what I'm thinking will happen.

But, then again, I imploded in The Flash because everyone was talking 'civ civ civ' when it was clearly a faction game, so my thoughts may be different than others'. :P

Well, the baddies will be trying to kill you regardless, so I think neutrals should align with the civs. Also, people who self-identify as pro civ are 62% less likely to be lynched, and 98% less likely to be voted for by llama. (Facetious Fuchsia. You're welcome.)

And MP, I think your viewpoint is super detrimental to civs. I'll be watching you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Hi everyone. Just got caught up. I don't have much preference for which one we start with. Too many factors to consider for me right now, they all have good/bad outcomes (as others have pointed out) so

I'm going with number four because it's my fav number!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Voted for 4. I'm bored by the two man race between 1 and 5.

Couple of badasses here, who like kills, poisons and curses in their mafia tea.

You know it.

Seriously though, since every Option has pros and cons, I returned to my thinking that we get a horrible Option done now, and despite how horrible thread locking is I just couldn't bring myself to vote for 2 or 3, so hence 4, which is sufficiently horrifying.

Seriously! Those guys are crazy!

Also, if there is a vote that looks to me like someone choosing something because they wanted a certain role power, it's Sorsha's. As someone else said, that may be more helpful later on when there are not tons of roles left, but it's worth bearing in mind. And MP, BR specifically said we may not have to cycle through every single position. I think that makes a pretty strong case for going for the least bad case. Now, in reality it seems we'll hit each at least one time, but don't we at east want the worst ones less often? If we start on a bad one, since we don't know what will happen in the future, it guarantees nothing except that we have to deal with bad stuff and mayhem for a day.

You are pinging me a lot.

Also, as an aside, threadlike does seem like a power that would be better later on, when people have some idea to go for. I know a civ lynch Day 1 is likely, but it would pretty much be guaranteed if no one could talk or try to form suspicions.

Ricochet wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:The discussion of the thread lockdown ability is interesting to me. This might be a stupid question but would such an ability still be voluntary? If so the person might choose not to use it at all if they wanted. I've never seen a game have it before though so I'm not sure.

According to the Hosts, not sending in powers will not affect the PScore, so personal decisions in how to use (or not) a position might happen. As for the lockdown itself, I imagine it being used to the utmost advantage of the player or his team (if recruited already)... although the idea that by postponing the use of that (or of any position, in fact), you'll have to wait for another rotation and hope to live enough to get to use it again might inspire most to simply use their positions when they're enabled.

So hosts - is every position power usable every time that position comes up, or are some of them one-time-only?