The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:35 pm**

RIP Zebra

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:47 pm**

Black Rock wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This wasn't rhetorical. I really cannot think of one example.

Epignosis wrote:Has Patrick Stewart ever played a villain?
He was Borg for a couple of episodes.

Oh yeah.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:15 pm**

Bea and Floyd please explain the thought process behind swooping in at the last second and self voting.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:18 pm**

I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to ask to be replaced. Right now RL is too crazy for me to handle 2 games of mafia, or even 1 for that matter. And as much as I normally enjoy this game, trying to play it right now is not enjoyable at all and is just adding more stress on my plate. So I apologize to everyone, but I think I'll be taking a long break from mafia until I truly get recharged and refreshed.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:31 pm**

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to ask to be replaced. Right now RL is too crazy for me to handle 2 games of mafia, or even 1 for that matter. And as much as I normally enjoy this game, trying to play it right now is not enjoyable at all and is just adding more stress on my plate. So I apologize to everyone, but I think I'll be taking a long break from mafia until I truly get recharged and refreshed.

birdwithteeth11 has been replaced by a2thezebra.

As a result, Gurney Halleck's power will be revealed.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:33 pm**

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to ask to be replaced. Right now RL is too crazy for me to handle 2 games of mafia, or even 1 for that matter. And as much as I normally enjoy this game, trying to play it right now is not enjoyable at all and is just adding more stress on my plate. So I apologize to everyone, but I think I'll be taking a long break from mafia until I truly get recharged and refreshed.

Best wishes to you, and I hope everything works out okay.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:35 pm**

S~V~S wrote:Wow, just wow. Two self votes at the wire with a tie??

I was uninformed at the midnight hour. I was literally on the road and driving and pulling over to try to refresh. I got caught in work yuck this cycle.

I promise I'll do better.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:41 pm**

MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:What side did I take in what conflict that didn't exist?
The conflict that didn't exist was me setting up a potential mislynch for you and BR, as if I was trying to hide the fact that I was suspicious of you and be coy about it the same way you were with Mac. The side you took was that I had no decent argument.

linki - WOW, Floyd.

linki@Mac - I'll cover this in my next post.
@Mac - you eloquently said in one post what I've been trying to express for the entire phase.

@SVS - indeed. Could well indicate that the vote leaders are actually both civ and there is no-one in need of a save.

As I've said, I could be wrong about zebra. I think the case is compelling, but it's still a day one case. But I think the outcome this poll is potentially very valuable going forward, whatever the outcome.
Nope. Because I don't have bts with anyone.

and also fyi - other's that have played with me can contradict me if they think I'm misrepresenting myself, but I don't self vote often. I've only done it if I literally don't know what's going on in the thread and I can't make a decision. I've only ever done it day one. It's something I reserve for when I feel even random feels like I could hurt someone.

I adore Floyd and we've had some completely nongame related conversations, but IDK why he did what he did. I look forward to the day we are teammates, but today is not that day.

Floyd self voting intrigues me. That's a very unusual move for a second gamer. Bea has been pinging me a bit too and then they both so that. I could easily see Bea having decided that as the best course of action and then telling him to do it too in btsc.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:42 pm**

how did I fuck up the quotes? sorry.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:44 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Has Patrick Stewart ever played a villain?

do you count Sbylock as a villain? Cuz his Shylock was amazeballz.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:54 pm**

MacDougall wrote:Bea and Floyd please explain the thought process behind swooping in at the last second and self voting.

I hope my answer above served your question.
I will have to travel back to Ohio soon for a funeral. I don't want to be replaced. But I feel like I should make people aware of my situation. I'm juggling a few things right now.

If there is something more that I can say or do, please let me know. I wanted to spend tonight rereading, but most of it's been spent on the phone with the family.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:55 pm**

also - rip zeb 1.0 welcome back zeeb 2.0

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:57 pm**

It's good to be back, bea.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:59 pm**

MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:What side did I take in what conflict that didn't exist?
The conflict that didn't exist was me setting up a potential mislynch for you and BR, as if I was trying to hide the fact that I was suspicious of you and be coy about it the same way you were with Mac. The side you took was that I had no decent argument.

linki - WOW, Floyd.

linki@Mac - I'll cover this in my next post.
@Mac - you eloquently said in one post what I've been trying to express for the entire phase.

@SVS - indeed. Could well indicate that the vote leaders are actually both civ and there is no-one in need of a save.

As I've said, I could be wrong about zebra. I think the case is compelling, but it's still a day one case. But I think the outcome this poll is potentially very valuable going forward, whatever the outcome.
Floyd self voting intrigues me. That's a very unusual move for a second gamer. Bea has been pinging me a bit too and then they both so that. I could easily see Bea having decided that as the best course of action and then telling him to do it too in btsc.

this is the quote I effed up from Mac.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:02 pm**

Nope. Because I don't have bts with anyone.

and also fyi - other's that have played with me can contradict me if they think I'm misrepresenting myself, but I don't self vote often. I've only done it if I literally don't know what's going on in the thread and I can't make a decision. I've only ever done it day one. It's something I reserve for when I feel even random feels like I could hurt someone.

I adore Floyd and we've had some completely nongame related conversations, but IDK why he did what he did. I look forward to the day we are teammates, but today is not that day.

this was my respnose to that quote.

I'm sorry I effed it all up.

I'm sorry if I was redundent in explanation.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:03 pm**

hey zeeb are you bad this time??

sorry the half drunk smartass in me couldn't resist being MM for a second. IF anyting to beat him to the punch.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:21 pm**

The way those votes struck me was this; one of the two of you, possibly both, are bad. And the lynch was tied between a baddie & a civvie. And the self voters did not want to vote for a teammate, and they did not want to be the tie breaker final vote on a civ. I have done similar things when bad, tangent voting, and self voting is a tangent vote.

I could totally be wrong, but that was how it struck me at the time.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:27 pm**

bea wrote:hey zeeb are you bad this time??

sorry the half drunk smartass in me couldn't resist being MM for a second. IF anyting to beat him to the punch.

Are you sure you're only half-drunk?

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:29 pm**

S~V~S wrote:The way those votes struck me was this; one of the two of you, possibly both, are bad. And the lynch was tied between a baddie & a civvie. And the self voters did not want to vote for a teammate, and they did not want to be the tie breaker final vote on a civ. I have done similar things when bad, tangent voting, and self voting is a tangent vote.

I could totally be wrong, but that was how it struck me at the time.

So should I take this bolded part to mean that you have little doubt that Elohcin is bad? Because I have little (if any) doubt that Elohcin is bad.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:30 pm**

RIP birdwithteeth.

Welcome back zebra.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:33 pm**

Are you bad, metalmarsh?

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:34 pm**

No I'm not.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:36 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:No I'm not.

No comma after the "no", I see. I should take this as an indication that you were nervous with this response.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:47 pm**

MacDougall wrote:Bea and Floyd please explain the thought process behind swooping in at the last second and self voting.

I had trouble deciding on someone to vote for and, with little time remaining, I figured I might as well vote for myself, to keep myself as someone who is contributing

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:48 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:No I'm not.
No comma after the "no", I see. I should take this as an indication that you were nervous with this response.

That's a good idea. I was nervous when I made this response.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:49 pm**

TheFloyd73 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Bea and Floyd please explain the thought process behind swooping in at the last second and self voting.
I had trouble deciding on someone to vote for and, with little time remaining, I figured I might as well vote for myself, to keep myself as someone who is contributing

This makes so little sense that it actually makes anti-sense.

linki -

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:50 pm**

S~V~S wrote:The way those votes struck me was this; one of the two of you, possibly both, are bad. And the lynch was tied between a baddie & a civvie. And the self voters did not want to vote for a teammate, and they did not want to be the tie breaker final vote on a civ. I have done similar things when bad, tangent voting, and self voting is a tangent vote.

I could totally be wrong, but that was how it struck me at the time.

We weren't so far apart, then, just on Eloh's affiliation.

Welcome back, zebra.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:50 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:The way those votes struck me was this; one of the two of you, possibly both, are bad. And the lynch was tied between a baddie & a civvie. And the self voters did not want to vote for a teammate, and they did not want to be the tie breaker final vote on a civ. I have done similar things when bad, tangent voting, and self voting is a tangent vote.

I could totally be wrong, but that was how it struck me at the time.
So should I take this bolded part to mean that you have little doubt that Elohcin is bad? Because I have little (if any) doubt that Elohcin is bad.

Yeah, pretty much. I have an open mind and will listen, but that is my thought as of now. I worded that a bit strongly as if it were a fact, and not my own supposition, but yeah.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:50 pm**

I would prefer to have you back as Gurney, but oh well.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:52 pm**

Golden wrote:I would prefer to have you back as Gurney, but oh well.

That means we would have her on a gurney.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:55 pm**

Hey. I just realised that I haven't posted on this game. Sorry.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:57 pm**

S~V~S wrote:The way those votes struck me was this; one of the two of you, possibly both, are bad. And the lynch was tied between a baddie & a civvie. And the self voters did not want to vote for a teammate, and they did not want to be the tie breaker final vote on a civ. I have done similar things when bad, tangent voting, and self voting is a tangent vote.

I could totally be wrong, but that was how it struck me at the time.

And I get why it struck you that way.

I really really do.

I can't speak for floyd like at all. He's new and cute and totes my puppy but not my teammate this game.

but in my particular case - can you see where I would be coming from as a civ?

As well as you know me. As well as you know my RL and also now there is family stuff....

And as well you know my baddie side. You know how quick I am to chuck a teammate under the buss. Do you really think in the midnight last 3 minutes of the lynch - if I were bad - I would have waited for permission to buss a teammate or not for cred if I were bad? And have voted the way I did if I were bad knowing I could chuck a teammate under the bus for cred if they were a lynch leader??

I'm asking you SVS - I don't care about other people's opinions righ now. Your post convinced me we are on the same side. I care what you think of me.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:58 pm**

Golden wrote:I would prefer to have you back as Gurney, but oh well.

It's funny, you know. When Gurney was revealed you didn't seem too "gobsmacked", as you said you would be. But that's a ballgame I don't feel like starting anytime soon.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:10 am**

a2thezebra wrote:
TheFloyd73 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Bea and Floyd please explain the thought process behind swooping in at the last second and self voting.
I had trouble deciding on someone to vote for and, with little time remaining, I figured I might as well vote for myself, to keep myself as someone who is contributing
This makes so little sense that it actually makes anti-sense.

linki -

Lemme put it like this:

You rock up at an election, where the voting ends in one minute. You have little idea on the candidates' promises, and you panic. You know a couple of candidates will get a majority of the votes, but you find that voting for one of them will lead to something bad (in this case, lynching a civillal). You spot a name you're vaguely familiar with, who you're almost certain won't be voted on. You think, what the heck?

In other words, what everyone does at the Australian voting ballots.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:14 am**

So in the Australian voting ballots you vote for yourself as well?

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:30 am**

a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:I would prefer to have you back as Gurney, but oh well.
It's funny, you know. When Gurney was revealed you didn't seem too "gobsmacked", as you said you would be. But that's a ballgame I don't feel like starting anytime soon.

I missed this till you qouted it, but why? Why would you have prefered Gurnehy Golden?

This is a closed game. You don't know if his role now is even better or not for the civs. In this moment, Golden - I don't understand where you are coming from. Please explain it to me.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:34 am**

RIP Zebra. Welcome back Zebra.

Later BWT. Hope all goes well with ya.

a2thezebra wrote:This makes so little sense that it actually makes anti-sense.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:45 am**

bea wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:I would prefer to have you back as Gurney, but oh well.
It's funny, you know. When Gurney was revealed you didn't seem too "gobsmacked", as you said you would be. But that's a ballgame I don't feel like starting anytime soon.

I missed this till you qouted it, but why? Why would you have prefered Gurnehy Golden?

This is a closed game. You don't know if his role now is even better or not for the civs. In this moment, Golden - I don't understand where you are coming from. Please explain it to me.

I should have been more clear -

why Golden would you have prefered Zeeb's 1.0 role to his 2.0 role in a closed game when we really don't know what the roles do? Do you have some sort of knowlege about his old role or his new one that makes his new role a step down?

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:47 am**

bea wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:I would prefer to have you back as Gurney, but oh well.
It's funny, you know. When Gurney was revealed you didn't seem too "gobsmacked", as you said you would be. But that's a ballgame I don't feel like starting anytime soon.

I missed this till you qouted it, but why? Why would you have prefered Gurnehy Golden?

This is a closed game. You don't know if his role now is even better or not for the civs. In this moment, Golden - I don't understand where you are coming from. Please explain it to me.

Gurney is a confirmed civ. BWT is not. It's not that hard.

@zebra - If you don't feel like starting ballgames, don't start them, and simultaneously say you don't feel like starting them.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:48 am**

@bea - that didn't come out right. What I mean is, its not about what his role is. It's about what his role is potentially able to be. 100% chance to be civ vs not a 100% chance to be civ. Does that make sense?

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:50 am**

Oh, believe me, you can expect a ballgame. I didn't say I wasn't starting a ballgame or that I didn't want to. Just not "anytime soon." Reading is your friend.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:11 am**

If I can continue to expect semantic crud from you, you can continue to expect that I won't be bothered.

I'm not interested in giving you ammunition to fuel a vendetta.

Come at me, if you will. I'll just move along on to other things.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:21 am**

Golden wrote:@bea - that didn't come out right. What I mean is, its not about what his role is. It's about what his role is potentially able to be. 100% chance to be civ vs not a 100% chance to be civ. Does that make sense?

It seems weird to me that given a D1 replacement, and the fact that she was reborn as her 2.0 role, you would have stated things the way you have. I think it's far more likely that given her flip, she is likely being pulled into another civ role that needed replacement. And could potentially help the town more. She could have replaced Paul. The fact that you jumped to the potentail bad end of her replacment instead of looking for the good - troubles me.

At the very least, I'm willing to let her find her place this time around. I've done the 2.0 thing. It was from nilla civ to civ with some crap.

I've also had many beers. Prolly more than I should have tbh.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:32 am**

I'm not worried about how you're going to react to anything I have to say, Golden. I really could care less. What I care about is town winning, the same thing I cared about when you guided town towards my mislynch. At this time, I don't think town would benefit from our conflict picking up right where it left off. All of the civilians, myself included, have become exhausted from our conflict, because it's a lot of meat with little to no bone. I'm going to let it simmer and see if others will pick up on what you are doing and point it out accordingly, because if it's coming from me, it's going to be skimmed at best and completely ignored at worst, just like it was before. When the time is right, I hope you will be prepared, for your sake.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:42 am**

The dead have risen. Run for your lives!

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:11 am**

bea wrote:
Golden wrote:@bea - that didn't come out right. What I mean is, its not about what his role is. It's about what his role is potentially able to be. 100% chance to be civ vs not a 100% chance to be civ. Does that make sense?
It seems weird to me that given a D1 replacement, and the fact that she was reborn as her 2.0 role, you would have stated things the way you have. I think it's far more likely that given her flip, she is likely being pulled into another civ role that needed replacement. And could potentially help the town more. She could have replaced Paul. The fact that you jumped to the potentail bad end of her replacment instead of looking for the good - troubles me.

At the very least, I'm willing to let her find her place this time around. I've done the 2.0 thing. It was from nilla civ to civ with some crap.

I've also had many beers. Prolly more than I should have tbh.

And when I subbed in from a day one civ lynch, it was to a baddie role and I won the game.

I prefer gurney because it's KNOWN. I'm not jumping to any end of the spectrum for zebra's new role. Everything is potential.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:12 am**

a2thezebra wrote:When the time is right, I hope you will be prepared, for your sake.

When the time comes, I hope you have all the proof you need that I'm civilian, for YOUR sake.

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:08 am**

I don't like the pissing contest. Golden and Zebra, please stop

I'm glad you have the opportunity to be back zebra. Say 1 lynches, especially civvie lynches always make me feel bad for the players.

As for your alignment this time, it remains to be seen.

Is it me or does Matt F seem really unhelpful up until now? No theories? no questions?

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:15 am**

S~V~S wrote:The way those votes struck me was this; one of the two of you, possibly both, are bad. And the lynch was tied between a baddie & a civvie. And the self voters did not want to vote for a teammate, and they did not want to be the tie breaker final vote on a civ. I have done similar things when bad, tangent voting, and self voting is a tangent vote.

I could totally be wrong, but that was how it struck me at the time.

Can't it just be that they didn't want to be the tie breaker on either civ because they'd be looked at badly?

It's interesting to me that you're acknowledging the fact that you could be wrong about Bea and Floyd, but not that you could be wrong about Eloh. Don't get me wrong, I voted for her after all, but I could have been wrong. Why are you so sure about her?

Posted: **Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:17 am**

Zebra - Do you think Golden is bad for doing everything short of wagering his grandkids' college funds to get you lynched, or do you think he was just a mistaken civvie?

I ask because I'm kind of confuzzled as to where you stand with Golden now regarding his alignment. If I'm reading this correctly, (and knowing me I'm not haha!), it seems like now you are saying he is scum, but you will wait until "the time is right" to get him, but not do it now for "the town's sake". And if that's what I'm reading, then I will have to quote you and say...

a2thezebra wrote:This makes so little sense that it actually makes anti-sense.

Linki - FZ - How am I being unhelpful?

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