Rocky and Bullwinkle - The Legend of Frostbite Falls [Day 8]

[a2thezebra]

Well, Zebra, Long Con, if you lynch me, you'll be getting a civ. Sorry to burst your bubble.

You're a civ? Well why didn't you say so sooner, I never would have voiced suspicion of you if you had just said that! Good thing I know that now.

[a2thezebra]

Epi, are you gonna save ME this time?

So he owes you a favor, eh?

[Tangrowth]

Since I'm feeling a bit better at the moment, I'm here and going to start reading the thread now... or try to.

Dude you're dead.

Wait, what?

Just thought that would be hilarious to say.

Touche.

[a2thezebra]

I'm fine with being lynched since I can't play for a week anyway, but just know that I'm a good guy and Scotty is not.

If you're a good guy then I don't think you should be fine with being lynched. Just my opinion.

[Epignosis]

Epi, are you gonna save ME this time?

So he owes you a favor, eh?

Yeah, I do. I'll be voting to save Eloh if it comes to it. I don't think she's bad.

[a2thezebra]

Hey yeah, Wilgy, why are you voting for MP? Did I miss your ideas on him?

Idk. I haven't been paying attention.

[a2thezebra]

Epi, are you gonna save ME this time?

So he owes you a favor, eh?

Yeah, I do. I'll be voting to save Eloh if it comes to it. I don't think she's bad.

But if you did think that she's bad, would you still owe that favor?

[Epignosis]

Epi, are you gonna save ME this time?

So he owes you a favor, eh?

Yeah, I do. I'll be voting to save Eloh if it comes to it. I don't think she's bad.

But if you did think that she's bad, would you still owe that favor?

No. What a ludicrous question to ask.

[a2thezebra]

Epi, are you gonna save ME this time?

So he owes you a favor, eh?

Yeah, I do. I'll be voting to save Eloh if it comes to it. I don't think she's bad.

But if you did think that she's bad, would you still owe that favor?

No. What a ludicrous question to ask.

Then why say that you owe her a favor? If you don't think she's bad, you wouldn't vote for her anyway. So the favor is irrelevant.

[Tangrowth]

Here are my thoughts after reading the thread:

- I feel conflicted about RVS, but I have seen it legitimately get rises out of baddies in the past, so I understand zebra's perspective on this. I'm a bit surprised about S~V~S's reaction given I thought she had come around to changeable votes. Sometimes during early stages of d1 RVS is the only real tool you have if people aren't really talking. GTH I read zebra as civilian here, no read on S~V~S. But not much... these are becoming way too common.

- I hated changeable votes at first, but every single game I've played with nonchangeable thereafter I've hated them more and more, and every game I've played with changeable I've liked them more. Now I love them. There is really no reason to make a vote nonchangeable, especially since IMO they lead to people leaving their votes in places unnecessarily or missing the vote altogether, but that's just my opinion.

- Good looks from Sloonei.

- Blooper's first "pressure" vote for BWT causes me to question how much pressure could really be applied. Slight bad look for Blooper there.

- I'm not sure what I think of Elo jumping on zebra's case with what seems like relative confidence.

- Elo, I don't understand why your priority for d1 was saving Epi when: (1) you do not seem to indicate why you think Epi is town, and (2) you seemed to find zebra suspect in her back and forth with S~V~S. Explain please.

- And then Sloonei votes for Elo. Gotta say I'm agreeing with him a lot this game.

- Not sure I'm seeing what the hubbub was about with sig, especially from Epi of all people, who has seen sig get mislynched a ridiculous amount of times.

- I would have voted for Epi over sig regardless, it seems.

- Two players I'm not getting much of a read before despite some posts on d1 are LC and Sorsha.

And now I'm getting really tired and not feeling as well again.

[Tangrowth]

Guess I didn't make it through the whole thread.

[a2thezebra]

Well so far I agree the hell out of you, MP.

[Tangrowth]

I'll try reading the rest in the morning; I'm trying to continue into d2 now but it's just not sticking. Sorry folks, I'm pretty crappy this game.

I see that I have 2 votes and Sloonei has 2 votes, and so I'd like to say I'd much prefer I get lynched over Sloonei, since clearly I'm not into the game properly and he's my strongest town read. So please don't lynch him. Please. Kthxbye.

[Epignosis]

Epi, are you gonna save ME this time?

So he owes you a favor, eh?

Yeah, I do. I'll be voting to save Eloh if it comes to it. I don't think she's bad.

But if you did think that she's bad, would you still owe that favor?

No. What a ludicrous question to ask.

Then why say that you owe her a favor? If you don't think she's bad, you wouldn't vote for her anyway. So the favor is irrelevant.

Because it sounds cool to fulfill one's interpersonal obligations with "Yeah I do," rather than say, "well, if I didn't think she was bad, I wouldn't vote for her anyway."

I'm like Wolverine. Rocky and Bullwinkle should've had Wolverine on the show.

[a2thezebra]

Elohcin's tied with you two. That's where the lynch should go in my opinion.

[Epignosis]

Elohcin's tied with you two. That's where the lynch should go in my opinion.

Where is where the lynch should go?

[a2thezebra]

Epi, are you gonna save ME this time?

So he owes you a favor, eh?

Yeah, I do. I'll be voting to save Eloh if it comes to it. I don't think she's bad.

But if you did think that she's bad, would you still owe that favor?

No. What a ludicrous question to ask.

Then why say that you owe her a favor? If you don't think she's bad, you wouldn't vote for her anyway. So the favor is irrelevant.

Because it sounds cool to fulfill one's interpersonal obligations with "Yeah I do," rather than say, "well, if I didn't think she was bad, I wouldn't vote for her anyway."

I'm like Wolverine. Rocky and Bullwinkle should've had Wolverine on the show.

Then why say that you don't think she's bad? Since it would be ludicrous to owe her a favor if you thought she was bad, isn't that redundant?

[a2thezebra]

Elohcin's tied with you two. That's where the lynch should go in my opinion.

Where is where the lynch should go?

Take a wild guess.

[Epignosis]

Here are my thoughts after reading the thread:

- I feel conflicted about RVS, but I have seen it legitimately get rises out of baddies in the past, so I understand zebra's perspective on this. I'm a bit surprised about S~V~S's reaction given I thought she had come around to changeable votes. Sometimes during early stages of d1 RVS is the only real tool you have if people aren't really talking. GTH I read zebra as civilian here, no read on S~V~S. But not much... these are becoming way too common.

- I hated changeable votes at first, but every single game I've played with nonchangeable thereafter I've hated them more and more, and every game I've played with changeable I've liked them more. Now I love them. There is really no reason to make a vote nonchangeable, especially since IMO they lead to people leaving their votes in places unnecessarily or missing the vote altogether, but that's just my opinion.

- Good looks from Sloonei.

- Blooper's first "pressure" vote for BWT causes me to question how much pressure could really be applied. Slight bad look for Blooper there.

- I'm not sure what I think of Elo jumping on zebra's case with what seems like relative confidence.

- Elo, I don't understand why your priority for d1 was saving Epi when: (1) you do not seem to indicate why you think Epi is town, and (2) you seemed to find zebra suspect in her back and forth with S~V~S. Explain please.

- And then Sloonei votes for Elo. Gotta say I'm agreeing with him a lot this game.

- Not sure I'm seeing what the hubbub was about with sig, especially from Epi of all people, who has seen sig get mislynched a ridiculous amount of times.

- I would have voted for Epi over sig regardless, it seems.

- Two players I'm not getting much of a read before despite some posts on d1 are LC and Sorsha.

And now I'm getting really tired and not feeling as well again.

Well, I'll start my rebuttal thusly:

If you lynch Eloh, you're an ignoramoose. Or bad.

So don't do it.

She stuck her neck out for me, and I am now inclined to do likewise because I pay attention and know how to read.

If you need lynch me to discover we're not teammates, that's fine. Knock yourselves out. I'll lose the game, but I'll still Gilbert Gottfried the shit out of you.

MP is casting lazy votes and now suspects nijuukyugou. I don't like that. Switching my vote to MP.

[Epignosis]

Elohcin's tied with you two. That's where the lynch should go in my opinion.

Where is where the lynch should go?

Take a wild guess.

Not going to happen if I can help it.

[a2thezebra]

She stuck her neck out for me, and I am now inclined to do likewise because I pay attention and know how to read.

If you need lynch me to discover we're not teammates, that's fine. Knock yourselves out. I'll lose the game, but I'll still Gilbert Gottfried the shit out of you.

MP is casting lazy votes and now suspects nijuukyugou. I don't like that. Switching my vote to MP.

Yeah your fantastic reading skills really helped us out yesterday. Also, this is one of the laziest votes I've ever seen.

[a2thezebra]

Elohcin's tied with you two. That's where the lynch should go in my opinion.

Where is where the lynch should go?

Take a wild guess.

Not going to happen if I can help it.

Then hopefully you can't.

[Long Con]

So we aren't supposed to lynch Eloh, and we aren't supposed to lynch Sloonei.

[Epignosis]

She stuck her neck out for me, and I am now inclined to do likewise because I pay attention and know how to read.

If you need lynch me to discover we're not teammates, that's fine. Knock yourselves out. I'll lose the game, but I'll still Gilbert Gottfried the shit out of you.

MP is casting lazy votes and now suspects nijuukyugou. I don't like that. Switching my vote to MP.

Yeah your fantastic reading skills really helped us out yesterday. Also, this is one of the laziest votes I've ever seen.

I still don't hear that accusation that I'm bad. When are you going to make it, hot shot?

[a2thezebra]

She stuck her neck out for me, and I am now inclined to do likewise because I pay attention and know how to read.

If you need lynch me to discover we're not teammates, that's fine. Knock yourselves out. I'll lose the game, but I'll still Gilbert Gottfried the shit out of you.

MP is casting lazy votes and now suspects nijuukyugou. I don't like that. Switching my vote to MP.

Yeah your fantastic reading skills really helped us out yesterday. Also, this is one of the laziest votes I've ever seen.

I still don't hear that accusation that I'm bad. When are you going to make it, hot shot?

When I'm sure that you are.

[a2thezebra]

After all, terrible vote decisions from you isn't always a baddie tell to say the least.

[a2thezebra]

Also, this idea that I'm a "hot shot" is ignorant. I reflect the attitude of whoever I'm talking to. And I don't do it deliberately, I do it naturally.

I'm polite with Glorfindel, I'm cheerful with bea, I'm stationary with MP, I'm aggressive with Mac, I'm wacky with Matt, I'm a hot shot with you.

[Epignosis]

So we aren't supposed to lynch Eloh, and we aren't supposed to lynch Sloonei.

I'm going to come on out and defend her. I think she's good. If you lynch her, you're just going to look foolish.

I would rather the civilians reevaluate.

As for Sloonei, that was my big suspect. Does Sloonei give up when civilian? When bad? I don't know.

MP suspects nijuu. I don't. So MP has my vote now.

[Epignosis]

Also, this idea that I'm a "hot shot" is ignorant. I reflect the attitude of whoever I'm talking to. And I don't do it deliberately, I do it naturally.

I'm polite with Glorfindel, I'm cheerful with bea, I'm stationary with MP, I'm aggressive with Mac, I'm wacky with Matt, I'm a hot shot with you.

Interesting. I'm a hot shot in real life. I called you a hot shot disparagingly. You're not really a hot shot.

[a2thezebra]

MP suspects nijuu. I don't. So MP has my vote now.

This is literally "I don't agree with this person so I'm voting for them."

Is this why you're anxious for me to call you bad? Because you think that I should suspect you for disagreeing with you and not being afraid to voice my disagreement? Sorry, I'm not like you in that regard.

[a2thezebra]

Also, this idea that I'm a "hot shot" is ignorant. I reflect the attitude of whoever I'm talking to. And I don't do it deliberately, I do it naturally.

I'm polite with Glorfindel, I'm cheerful with bea, I'm stationary with MP, I'm aggressive with Mac, I'm wacky with Matt, I'm a hot shot with you.

Interesting. I'm a hot shot in real life. I called you a hot shot disparagingly. You're not really a hot shot.

Congratulations, you got the point!

[Epignosis]

MP suspects nijuu. I don't. So MP has my vote now.

This is literally "I don't agree with this person so I'm voting for them."

Is this why you're anxious for me to call you bad? Because you think that I should suspect you for disagreeing with you and not being afraid to voice my disagreement? Sorry, I'm not like you in that regard.

No it's not literally that.

Presently I don't think you are bad, no, so I'm not anxious at all. Twirly middle-school logic like that might make me less appreciative of you, however.

[Epignosis]

Zebra, I have no intention of going back and forth with you.

If you want Eloh, who I think is good, lynched, keep your vote there. If you don't, bark up a different tree.

[a2thezebra]

MP suspects nijuu. I don't. So MP has my vote now.

This is literally "I don't agree with this person so I'm voting for them."

Is this why you're anxious for me to call you bad? Because you think that I should suspect you for disagreeing with you and not being afraid to voice my disagreement? Sorry, I'm not like you in that regard.

No it's not literally that.

Presently I don't think you are bad, no, so I'm not anxious at all. Twirly middle-school logic like that might make me less appreciative of you, however.

That "twirly middle-school logic" is the logic I'm seeing in you. You've never seemed appreciative of me (or anyone) anyway, so that's not a major concern.

[a2thezebra]

Zebra, I have no intention of going back and forth with you.

If you want Eloh, who I think is good, lynched, keep your vote there. If you don't, bark up a different tree.

Why do you think Eloh is good?

[Epignosis]

MP suspects nijuu. I don't. So MP has my vote now.

This is literally "I don't agree with this person so I'm voting for them."

Is this why you're anxious for me to call you bad? Because you think that I should suspect you for disagreeing with you and not being afraid to voice my disagreement? Sorry, I'm not like you in that regard.

No it's not literally that.

Presently I don't think you are bad, no, so I'm not anxious at all. Twirly middle-school logic like that might make me less appreciative of you, however.

That "twirly middle-school logic" is the logic I'm seeing in you. You've never seemed appreciative of me (or anyone) anyway, so that's not a major concern.

Okay then.

[Epignosis]

Zebra, I have no intention of going back and forth with you.

If you want Eloh, who I think is good, lynched, keep your vote there. If you don't, bark up a different tree.

Why do you think Eloh is good?

Twirly middle school logic.

[a2thezebra]

Zebra, I have no intention of going back and forth with you.

If you want Eloh, who I think is good, lynched, keep your vote there. If you don't, bark up a different tree.

Why do you think Eloh is good?

Twirly middle school logic.

What happened to "not going to happen if I can help it?"

[Epignosis]

Zebra, I have no intention of going back and forth with you.

If you want Eloh, who I think is good, lynched, keep your vote there. If you don't, bark up a different tree.

Why do you think Eloh is good?

Twirly middle school logic.

What happened to "not going to happen if I can help it?"

I will vote to save Eloh. That's what I mean. Not going to happen if I can help it. If you want to lynch either of us to prove something, then go for it.

[a2thezebra]

Zebra, I have no intention of going back and forth with you.

If you want Eloh, who I think is good, lynched, keep your vote there. If you don't, bark up a different tree.

Why do you think Eloh is good?

Twirly middle school logic.

What happened to "not going to happen if I can help it?"

I will vote to save Eloh. That's what I mean. Not going to happen if I can help it. If you want to lynch either of us to prove something, then go for it.

Votes aren't everything. If you convince enough people (perhaps myself as well) that she's good, you won't even have to vote to save her. Why wait until you may have no chance when you could make a good case for her being civilian right now and not have to worry about it later? I'll ask again.

Why do you think she is good?

[indiglo]

@ llama - Narrator - Can direct either a lynch vote, or a night action of another player.

If the Narrator directs a lynch vote, would that be done via the thread? For example, would the directed party have to vote a particular way in the poll?

Or would the directing be done BTS? Whoever the directed party votes for in the poll/thread wouldn't really get the vote, it would secretly go elsewhere?

[Epignosis]

Zebra, I have no intention of going back and forth with you.

If you want Eloh, who I think is good, lynched, keep your vote there. If you don't, bark up a different tree.

Why do you think Eloh is good?

Twirly middle school logic.

What happened to "not going to happen if I can help it?"

I will vote to save Eloh. That's what I mean. Not going to happen if I can help it. If you want to lynch either of us to prove something, then go for it.

Votes aren't everything. If you convince enough people (perhaps myself as well) that she's good, you won't even have to vote to save her. Why wait until you may have no chance when you could make a good case for her being civilian right now and not have to worry about it later? I'll ask again.

Why do you think she is good?

Meh. Go ahead and lynch her.

[a2thezebra]

Haha, okay. I'll see what I can do.

[Epignosis]

Haha, okay. I'll see what I can do.

Knock yourself out. You'll only be lynching a civilian if you don't change your mind.

I would recommend you disengage from me and look at other options.

[a2thezebra]

Haha, okay. I'll see what I can do.

Knock yourself out. You'll only be lynching a civilian if you don't change your mind.

I would recommend you disengage from me and look at other options.

A civilian that you refuse to explain why you think they are a civilian. Right. I'm open to changing my mind, but I can't change my mind on my own. I need help. I asked for yours and you told me to go ahead and lynch her. I'm engaging with you because you're online at the moment and you're talking to me. If you want me to look at other options, what other options would you recommend I look at and why?

[indiglo]

Also, who is "Blooper" that MP mentioned?

[a2thezebra]

Also, who is "Blooper" that MP mentioned?

nijuukyugou.

[Epignosis]

Haha, okay. I'll see what I can do.

Knock yourself out. You'll only be lynching a civilian if you don't change your mind.

I would recommend you disengage from me and look at other options.

A civilian that you refuse to explain why you think they are a civilian. Right. I'm open to changing my mind, but I can't change my mind on my own. I need help. I asked for yours and you told me to go ahead and lynch her. I'm engaging with you because you're online at the moment and you're talking to me. If you want me to look at other options, what other options would you recommend I look at and why?

All right, that's fair enough.

In case you don't know, I am married to Elohcin. She's not bad. She's fooled me once in three years. The end.

I don't like relying on that, because she has become a better player, but I'll not see her lynched over bullshit. So yeah, I'm sticking my neck out for her. Civilians need to recognize that I'm good, she's good, and I get the impression that someone else know she's good, and I also believe someone else knows I'm not a killer.

Now then. Is my shit together or is my shit together Mr. Peabody?

[indiglo]

Also, who is "Blooper" that MP mentioned?

nijuukyugou.

Thank you.

[Turnip Head]

She's fooled me once in three years.