The Syndicate

Quin wrote:His sudden 180 is suspicious, but it is not the most suspicious thing and not something I am going to place a vote for at Lylo.

When you say "his sudden 180", what does that mean? How has he pulled a 180?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:His sudden 180 is suspicious, but it is not the most suspicious thing and not something I am going to place a vote for at Lylo.

When you say "his sudden 180", what does that mean? How has he pulled a 180?

I'm referring to his concession and his posts since.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I was having issues too, but it's letting me in now. Hopefully that was a brief hiccup.

How would you feel if I refuse to vote for Dom today, Quin?

Anxious and upset. Do you refuse to vote for Dom?

It's fun because I think we're most likely arguing about the two baddies.

I'd be hard to convince though that the case against Dom is stronger than Epignosis resigning gracefully today.

I would call this a stalemate but Epi is the one with three votes.

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:His sudden 180 is suspicious, but it is not the most suspicious thing and not something I am going to place a vote for at Lylo.

When you say "his sudden 180", what does that mean? How has he pulled a 180?

I'm referring to his concession and his posts since.

When you imagine Epi is doing this as a townie, please try to describe to me what you believe is happening inside his head. What is motivating that behavior from a town Epi?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Do you have an opinion on Epi?

Do you have an opinion on Epi?

He seems to have given up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:His sudden 180 is suspicious, but it is not the most suspicious thing and not something I am going to place a vote for at Lylo.

When you say "his sudden 180", what does that mean? How has he pulled a 180?

I'm referring to his concession and his posts since.

When you imagine Epi is doing this as a townie, please try to describe to me what you believe is happening inside his head. What is motivating that behavior from a town Epi?

That's the thing. I'm not arguing against your case. I'm arguing that mine is stronger. I don't know what his civilian motivation for this is, but I also don't know what his mafia motivation is. We may very well be discussing both baddies, but we only have one chance and I'm pushing for the stronger case.

Quin wrote:That's the thing. I'm not arguing against your case. I'm arguing that mine is stronger. I don't know what his civilian motivation for this is, but I also don't know what his mafia motivation is. We may very well be discussing both baddies, but we only have one chance and I'm pushing for the stronger case.

What is your perspective of the recent interactions of Dom and Epignosis, going back to the Glorfindel lynch when Epi pursued a Dom lynch instead?

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Do you have an opinion on Epi?

Do you have an opinion on Epi?

He seems to have given up.

What does that mean to you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Do you have an opinion on Epi?

Do you have an opinion on Epi?

He seems to have given up.

What does that mean to you?

He's bad and doesn't want to give us any more information to use at lylo.

Sloonei wrote:He's bad and doesn't want to give us any more information to use at lylo.

I agree. How do you feel about Quin's adherence to his Dom case in spite of this development?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:That's the thing. I'm not arguing against your case. I'm arguing that mine is stronger. I don't know what his civilian motivation for this is, but I also don't know what his mafia motivation is. We may very well be discussing both baddies, but we only have one chance and I'm pushing for the stronger case.

What is your perspective of the recent interactions of Dom and Epignosis, going back to the Glorfindel lynch when Epi pursued a Dom lynch instead?

He was claiming to be acting in the best interest of town by trying to find a baddie who's vote had a value. However, given that this was at Lylo, it was to be expected that nobody (except me, I guess) was going to lynch him. If Dom and Epi are teammates then his vote was safe there. But this does nothing for Glorfindel's safety, and he was bad. That, and the fact that this came at Lylo makes me doubt it was civ motivated.

This is a valid point that would make Epi seem worse than Dom in that context.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:He's bad and doesn't want to give us any more information to use at lylo.

I agree. How do you feel about Quin's adherence to his Dom case in spite of this development?

I'm only just becoming familiar with this aspect of Quin's game right now. Off the bat I won't say it's necessarily suspicious. Quin will stick to his guns when he's confident.

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:That's the thing. I'm not arguing against your case. I'm arguing that mine is stronger. I don't know what his civilian motivation for this is, but I also don't know what his mafia motivation is. We may very well be discussing both baddies, but we only have one chance and I'm pushing for the stronger case.

What is your perspective of the recent interactions of Dom and Epignosis, going back to the Glorfindel lynch when Epi pursued a Dom lynch instead?

He was claiming to be acting in the best interest of town by trying to find a baddie who's vote had a value. However, given that this was at Lylo, it was to be expected that nobody (except me, I guess) was going to lynch him. If Dom and Epi are teammates then his vote was safe there. But this does nothing for Glorfindel's safety, and he was bad. That, and the fact that this came at Lylo makes me doubt it was civ motivated.

This is a valid point that would make Epi seem worse than Dom in that context.

Do you feel that reflects on Dom in any certain way, when considering a bad Epignosis in that scenario?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:That's the thing. I'm not arguing against your case. I'm arguing that mine is stronger. I don't know what his civilian motivation for this is, but I also don't know what his mafia motivation is. We may very well be discussing both baddies, but we only have one chance and I'm pushing for the stronger case.

What is your perspective of the recent interactions of Dom and Epignosis, going back to the Glorfindel lynch when Epi pursued a Dom lynch instead?

He was claiming to be acting in the best interest of town by trying to find a baddie who's vote had a value. However, given that this was at Lylo, it was to be expected that nobody (except me, I guess) was going to lynch him. If Dom and Epi are teammates then his vote was safe there. But this does nothing for Glorfindel's safety, and he was bad. That, and the fact that this came at Lylo makes me doubt it was civ motivated.

This is a valid point that would make Epi seem worse than Dom in that context.

Do you feel that reflects on Dom in any certain way, when considering a bad Epignosis in that scenario?

It would make him look better at face value.

Day 6 dominates my thoughts on Dom in this game, and I can't quite make up my mind on whether or not his behavior was bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen a scum Dom before, but the type of aggressive self-defense he exhibited against Quin and I that day is not something that usually strikes me as baddie behavior. It's not 100% town behavior either, but I town-read him at the time for it, and I still can't shake the feeling that he's just the easiest target right now.

This is the 20th post on Day 9 where I express doubts about my confidence in Dom.

Sloonei wrote:Day 6 dominates my thoughts on Dom in this game, and I can't quite make up my mind on whether or not his behavior was bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen a scum Dom before, but the type of aggressive self-defense he exhibited against Quin and I that day is not something that usually strikes me as baddie behavior. It's not 100% town behavior either, but I town-read him at the time for it, and I still can't shake the feeling that he's just the easiest target right now.

This is the 20th post on Day 9 where I express doubts about my confidence in Dom.

The doubts are understandable. GTH, who's the last baddie if not him?

Quin wrote:It would make him look better at face value.

That's the fun part when I think about them as potential team mates.

I kind of get the impression Epignosis intended for this to be our response. "Oh okay, Epi was trying to win the game with a Dom lynch." Which would imply...

WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:It would make him look better at face value.

That's the fun part when I think about them as potential team mates.

I kind of get the impression Epignosis intended for this to be our response. "Oh okay, Epi was trying to win the game with a Dom lynch." Which would imply...

WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM

Question:

Was Glorfindel an inevitable lynch? I know you don't like it when I suggest that sort of thing. But I'll still ask.

Quin wrote:Question:

Was Glorfindel an inevitable lynch? I know you don't like it when I suggest that sort of thing. But I'll still ask.

I wouldn't say he was an inevitable lynch, but I would say he was a likely lynch -- likely enough that Epignosis could make a half-hearted motion in another direction without expecting it to actually develop.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Day 6 dominates my thoughts on Dom in this game, and I can't quite make up my mind on whether or not his behavior was bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen a scum Dom before, but the type of aggressive self-defense he exhibited against Quin and I that day is not something that usually strikes me as baddie behavior. It's not 100% town behavior either, but I town-read him at the time for it, and I still can't shake the feeling that he's just the easiest target right now.

This is the 20th post on Day 9 where I express doubts about my confidence in Dom.

The doubts are understandable. GTH, who's the last baddie if not him?

I can't even answer this right now. If we're settled on lynching Epi today then I plan to ISO all three of the others (Quin, LoRab, Dom) tomorrow at some point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Question:

Was Glorfindel an inevitable lynch? I know you don't like it when I suggest that sort of thing. But I'll still ask.

I wouldn't say he was an inevitable lynch, but I would say he was a likely lynch -- likely enough that Epignosis could make a half-hearted motion in another direction without expecting it to actually develop.

I could see it as an attempt to gain civ cred by doing something ultimately pointless if that lynch were between both of his teammates.

linki: We are not settled on lynching Epi today.

I actually think the case against Epi/Zebra is stronger than the one against Dom even without the concession. It's why I voted for him before the concession. I don't see any half-reasonable reality for a town Epi. I can fathom a town Dom.

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Question:

Was Glorfindel an inevitable lynch? I know you don't like it when I suggest that sort of thing. But I'll still ask.

I wouldn't say he was an inevitable lynch, but I would say he was a likely lynch -- likely enough that Epignosis could make a half-hearted motion in another direction without expecting it to actually develop.

I could see it as an attempt to gain civ cred by doing something ultimately pointless if that lynch were between both of his teammates.

linki: We are not settled on lynching Epi today.

Dom has to have a teammate.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Question:

Was Glorfindel an inevitable lynch? I know you don't like it when I suggest that sort of thing. But I'll still ask.

I wouldn't say he was an inevitable lynch, but I would say he was a likely lynch -- likely enough that Epignosis could make a half-hearted motion in another direction without expecting it to actually develop.

I could see it as an attempt to gain civ cred by doing something ultimately pointless if that lynch were between both of his teammates.

linki: We are not settled on lynching Epi today.

Dom has to have a teammate.

Yes, but choosing the wrong teammate means we lose.

Quin wrote:Yes, but choosing the wrong teammate means we lose.

Yup. For me, Dom is the one who is the higher risk of being that.

Estimated chance of being town:

Epignosis = 0.01%

Dom = 15%

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Yes, but choosing the wrong teammate means we lose.

Yup. For me, Dom is the one who is the higher risk of being that.

[insertdeaththreathere]

where is that guy, anyway?

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Question:

Was Glorfindel an inevitable lynch? I know you don't like it when I suggest that sort of thing. But I'll still ask.

I wouldn't say he was an inevitable lynch, but I would say he was a likely lynch -- likely enough that Epignosis could make a half-hearted motion in another direction without expecting it to actually develop.

I could see it as an attempt to gain civ cred by doing something ultimately pointless if that lynch were between both of his teammates.

linki: We are not settled on lynching Epi today.

Dom has to have a teammate.

Yes, but choosing the wrong teammate means we lose.

Does not compute.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Estimated chance of being town:

Epignosis = 0.01%

Dom = 15%

Quin = 75%

Sloonei = 75%

LoRab = 90%

INH = 99%

I am getting these numbers from a dark, humid place.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Estimated chance of being town:

Epignosis = 0.01%

Dom = 15%

Quin = 75%

Sloonei = 75%

LoRab = 90%

INH = 99%

I am getting these numbers from a dark, humid place.

I would prefer my town read to not be kept in your armpit. It needs sunlight.

Quin wrote:I would prefer my town read to not be kept in your armpit. It needs sunlight.

Rest assured, I wasn't talking about my armpit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:I would prefer my town read to not be kept in your armpit. It needs sunlight.

Rest assured, I wasn't talking about my armpit.

No wonder it's not at 100%, if it's company was anything to go by.

I might actually say Quin has moved ahead of Sloonei in the Town Race. He looks thoroughly genuine in every post; if he's fooling me then I'm sure fooled. Sloonei doesn't really look "bad", but his posts has been shorter lately (reminiscent of his comments about Dom earlier in the game) and he doesn't seem terribly invested. I'd expect more fire from a guy with a chance to nail down his first town banner on The Syndicate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I might actually say Quin has moved ahead of Sloonei in the Town Race. He looks thoroughly genuine in every post; if he's fooling me then I'm sure fooled. Sloonei doesn't really look "bad", but his posts has been shorter lately (reminiscent of his comments about Dom earlier in the game) and he doesn't seem terribly invested. I'd expect more fire from a guy with a chance to nail down his first town banner on The Syndicate.

I'm just tired is all.

I need to let you both dig more into your exploration of each other and of LoRab. I'll stop asking so many questions for now.

So go ahead. Explore each others' bodies.

I promise to actually do things tomorrow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So go ahead. Explore each others' bodies.

I just noticed that this game has a pretty decent chance of surpassing Economics Mafia for the Side Mission with the most posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I just noticed that this game has a pretty decent chance of surpassing Economics Mafia for the Side Mission with the most posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I just noticed that this game has a pretty decent chance of surpassing Economics Mafia for the Side Mission with the most posts.

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I just noticed that this game has a pretty decent chance of surpassing Economics Mafia for the Side Mission with the most posts.

You two having a combined 1,500 posts probably might have a bit to do with it.

That's like Day 3 stuff by RYM standards.

*flicks cigarette* Everything's childplay these days after Talking Heads.

Did I surpass 1000 in Turf Wars?

I did.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The case against Dom could be the most riveting, compelling case to ever exist in a Mafia game and he still wouldn't be confirmed as Epi is. This is my confusion.

Like Epi with Glorf, he just wants the game to end.

Why not do that after the Epi lynch when he wouldn't have to answer these obvious questions?

Y'all make no sense.

Because they win if they get me lynched now.

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The case against Dom could be the most riveting, compelling case to ever exist in a Mafia game and he still wouldn't be confirmed as Epi is. This is my confusion.

He is not confirmed until there is a flip. Him conceding the lynch is just another piece of evidence to consider, and Dom still looks worse to me.

In what universe is Epignosis ever town right now?

The universe that he's completely screwing with us. The universe that Dom's teammate is someone else. I still haven't looked into LoRab or Sloonei for that possibility.

In what universe is Dom ever town right now?

The one you inhabit.

Sloonei wrote:Day 6 dominates my thoughts on Dom in this game, and I can't quite make up my mind on whether or not his behavior was bad. I'm not sure I've ever seen a scum Dom before, but the type of aggressive self-defense he exhibited against Quin and I that day is not something that usually strikes me as baddie behavior. It's not 100% town behavior either, but I town-read him at the time for it, and I still can't shake the feeling that he's just the easiest target right now.

This is the 20th post on Day 9 where I express doubts about my confidence in Dom.

You saw anxious Dom. You say frustrated Dom. You saw a Dom who let himself totally collapse because he was emotionally drawn out.

So much self-defense. I will never understand.

Dom wrote:Because they win if they get me lynched now.

Wouldn't they also win if they get you lynched next?

*talks to the termites under the floorboards*

They would have won for a few days if they got me lynched.

Dom wrote:They would have won for a few days if they got me lynched.

So you're saying then that the baddies are Epignosis and Quin full stop?