The Syndicate

timmer wrote:Holy cap, host, you spent a lot of time on that. But you missed every key point about my game up to here. I stayed quite simply right from the start that I wasn't going to play like a civ until I have reason to, and I've followed through on that worth perfect consistency.

Yeah, I've jumped on bandwagons worth little to no thought, because I can't trek who is on a team flow the most part and thus if someone does it's cool with me, because I'm still neutral. Plain and simple, I remain unrecruited and no that's not a clever truth to hide the fact that I'm a team leader, I am still neutral.

So let's see what is going on in this game. People have made a bunch of bullshit cases about players who were not recruited and lynched them while those on teams day back and laughed. If you lynch me, the same thing will happen. I'll take sigbets on it right here and now.

I've attempted every single recruitment challenge and my air apparently stinks so here I am.

Those of you on teams need to decide whether you want to tale the sage route and keep targeting people who can't defend because they don't believe they've done anything but we're Just playing the neutral scene add they saw fit, or you can actually try to win by taking out your rivals. Your call, I don't plan to deviate from this party as my defence.

DrWilgy wrote:Wilgy runs up to BWT and tackles him. Wilgy, with fire in his eyes, stares right into BWT's face. No one knows what to do with Wilgy anymore...
BWT, please comment on my defending of TinyBubbles.

I feel creeped out....I need an adult! I NEED AN ADULT!!!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Wilgy runs up to BWT and tackles him. Wilgy, with fire in his eyes, stares right into BWT's face. No one knows what to do with Wilgy anymore...
BWT, please comment on my defending of TinyBubbles.

I feel creeped out....I need an adult! I NEED AN ADULT!!!

I am an adult...

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Or the lynch was switched to make us lynch Bubbles again

If that's the case, why not just let her be lynched the first time?? I'm with SD on this one.

Because if you have a lynch switch power, why not use it?

I guess.

I think it's clear cut honestly -- that lynch switch gets used regardless of Bubbles' alignment. If she's bad, it delays her death. If she's not on the team responsible for the switch, then it ensures someone else dies instead AND Bubbles remains a highly likely lynch after that. Two for the price of one.

I'll repeat here that I suspect get not only because the lynch for switched but because her response to it seemed exaggerated. I would expect her to be all, "I don't know why" but now a paragraph of her going on about how she is so confused and she doesn't know what happened and she em pmed the hosts, etc. It is overkill. It don't feel like a natural civilian response. I think She knows why the lynch got switched, in fact I think it was her teammate that did it.

The bolded part there is why I'm voting for her. Her reaction to the lynch going down the way it did makes me think she has knowledge of what happened.


OBJECTION!!! I disagree with you here Daisy! Along with everyone else who thinks Bubbles is bad! A lot of players here have stated that the reaction from bubbles didn't seem genuine? Explain this to me, what words in precise do this to you? as far as I'm concerned, the way bubbles has been communicating hasn't changed.

Examples:

TinyBubbles wrote:cause i get asked the same question every game! i didn't want to declare " i'm CIV" for the 109485734th time so i made a joke about being bad.

TinyBubbles wrote:Hey all i've been reeeeeally busy and just havent had time to read all posts,sorry. i'm willing to change my vote from turniphead to either golden or bass since that's where things seem to be headed.. golden hasn't seemed totally his upfront self like from previous games, it's giving me goosebumps. what's the case against bass though?

Do please point out exactly what concerns you about bubbles exaggeration here, in the same yellow fashion as mine if you disagree with me. Also, why is Bubbles writing out a larger paragraph to defend herself bad? I personally like the fact that we are seeing more from her at this point.

I've always tried to focus more on quality rather than quantity in mafia. While her wording and tone hasn't changed at all, that's also part of the reason I'm suspicious of her. Especially given that her wording and tone have not changed at all through the course of the game, despite the scrutiny she has come under. When I start getting accused, I get hella defensive and try to pick through the arguments against me to try and dispel them. I feel like TinyBubbles keeps throwing the same retorts out over and over again. Most of them a variation of "But I'm civ", "This game is hard to keep up with", etc.

Canuck, you stated that you didn't trust Bubbles based on this right?

TinyBubbles wrote:damn it, i just can't vote golden again. i don't care if he's a baddie or not, it feels like rejecting a friend. he's totally right about him and other talkative players like MP and epi getting heat just for talking, rather than for the content of their posts. it isn't right,and the game would be dead in the water without their input, i don't think anyone should be punished for posting a lot, even though it obviously makes them a bigger target.

hope you have a good trip golden! i wont vote you out though!!!
and i know my own arguments are flipping back and forth but thats what happens when you get emotionally invested in a game like this ><

voting rey on golden's testimony

Now, I would like to point out that Golden did come up as neutral. Did this affect your judgement on this statement whatsoever? If I missed it, do point it out to me. Bubbles didn't vote for a friend, believing in them, as we all should have considering we lynched a neutral.

Also, you pointed out that it was wrong for her to be emotionally invested even though she hadn't shared much? am I correct? Are you saying that emotional investment is a standard for everyone? simply reading and staying caught up seems to be difficult for many players here and you think that has no emotional affect? especially with all the emotional gameplay happening at the time of the post?

Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power? Even if Azura uses her power to deflect a lynch train, Ubzargan would still redirect the lynch to someone of his choosing. To save a team mate, stall, even to kill someone he doesn't like. Because of this we shouldn't blame the use of Ubzargan's ability on Bubbles, it just happens to be a really strong ability. The question we should be asking, why did Ubzargan choose Unfurl? not why did Ubzargan choose Unfurl instead of Bubbles.

Yes, but I mean an adult that doesn't make me feel like I'm about to get something stuck up my.....well, nevermind.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think Ubzargan could have chosen Unfurl because Bubbles was a teammate. Plain and simple.

Linki: Yes, but I mean an adult that doesn't make me feel like I'm about to get something stuck up my.....well, nevermind.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
- I don't really get how unfurl ended up dying. A lynch switch of some kind? Although I was thinking the same thing with TinyBubbles, but somehow I doubt that both of the last 2 lynches were influenced by lynch switches.

DrWilgy wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think Ubzargan could have chosen Unfurl because Bubbles was a teammate. Plain and simple.

Linki: Yes, but I mean an adult that doesn't make me feel like I'm about to get something stuck up my.....well, nevermind.

Why choose Unfurl? If Bubbles really was a teammate or not is irrelevant.

Ricochet wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
- I don't really get how unfurl ended up dying. A lynch switch of some kind? Although I was thinking the same thing with TinyBubbles, but somehow I doubt that both of the last 2 lynches were influenced by lynch switches.

Apologies for the snip, but what do you mean by this?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Obligatory for my last post:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think Ubzargan could have chosen Unfurl because Bubbles was a teammate. Plain and simple.

Linki: Yes, but I mean an adult that doesn't make me feel like I'm about to get something stuck up my.....well, nevermind.

Why choose Unfurl? If Bubbles really was a teammate or not is irrelevant.

1) To save a teammate.

2) Unfurl already had some suspicion on her from several players (myself included). You don't see baddies trying to get someone lynched and then blame the lynch on someone else?

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think Ubzargan could have chosen Unfurl because Bubbles was a teammate. Plain and simple.

Linki: Yes, but I mean an adult that doesn't make me feel like I'm about to get something stuck up my.....well, nevermind.

Why choose Unfurl? If Bubbles really was a teammate or not is irrelevant.

1) To save a teammate.

2) Unfurl already had some suspicion on her from several players (myself included). You don't see baddies trying to get someone lynched and then blame the lynch on someone else?

Who do you think is currently getting blamed for the lynch switch?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
- I don't really get how unfurl ended up dying. A lynch switch of some kind? Although I was thinking the same thing with TinyBubbles, but somehow I doubt that both of the last 2 lynches were influenced by lynch switches.

Apologies for the snip, but what do you mean by this?

I'm saying that the D4 lynch could have been influenced by a lynch switch.

TinyBubbles wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:*casually continues to pretend my shit dont stink*

is that i addressed to me? i am not pretending, i dont get it. was there a power that lynches someone else? i pm'd long con but he hasn't responded yet

Spacedaisy wrote:Unfurl had some suspicion on her, they may have suspected her of being recruited by another team. Unfurl being the target has no bearing for me on whether or not I suspect Bubbles.

Ricochet wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
- I don't really get how unfurl ended up dying. A lynch switch of some kind? Although I was thinking the same thing with TinyBubbles, but somehow I doubt that both of the last 2 lynches were influenced by lynch switches.

Apologies for the snip, but what do you mean by this?

I'm saying that the D4 lynch could have been influenced by a lynch switch.

That is true, but what "last 2 lynches" and what "same thing with Bubbles"? The two were part of the same story.

Turnip Head wrote:So you don't think it's at all possible that Uzbekistan switched the lynch just to fuck with us? It had to be saving a teammate?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So you don't think it's at all possible that Uzbekistan switched the lynch just to fuck with us? It had to be saving a teammate?

I think in the context of the case against TinyBubbles, I'm more inclined to think it was not to fuck with us.

What's your opinion on the matter?

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power? Even if Azura uses her power to deflect a lynch train, Ubzargan would still redirect the lynch to someone of his choosing. To save a team mate, stall, even to kill someone he doesn't like. Because of this we shouldn't blame the use of Ubzargan's ability on Bubbles, it just happens to be a really strong ability. The question we should be asking, why did Ubzargan choose Unfurl? not why did Ubzargan choose Unfurl instead of Bubbles.

DrWilgy wrote:Someone please answer this question,

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power?

Turnip Head wrote:Bold stance: next time we're in Position 2, the lynch will be switched again.

Will it be to save a teammate?

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Bold stance: next time we're in Position 2, the lynch will be switched again.

Will it be to save a teammate?

How will we be able to test that or get info out of that, if there'll be a lynch switch no matter what.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Bold stance: next time we're in Position 2, the lynch will be switched again.

Will it be to save a teammate?

How will we be able to test that or get info out of that, if there'll be a lynch switch no matter what.

Kill the lynch switcher. It really is that simple.

DrWilgy wrote:We can't. I'm starting to think that position 2 is actually the strongest baddie position while Ubzargan is alive. All aboard the never pick position 2 train! Choo choo!!

I would also like to point out that there was a "arbitrarily" chosen position 2, during poll 1.

Ricochet wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Bold stance: next time we're in Position 2, the lynch will be switched again.

Will it be to save a teammate?

How will we be able to test that or get info out of that, if there'll be a lynch switch no matter what.

Turnip Head wrote:So you don't think it's at all possible that Uzbekistan switched the lynch just to fuck with us? It had to be saving a teammate?

Ricochet wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:We can't. I'm starting to think that position 2 is actually the strongest baddie position while Ubzargan is alive. All aboard the never pick position 2 train! Choo choo!!

I would also like to point out that there was a "arbitrarily" chosen position 2, during poll 1.

I would agree with this. Let's especially never consider choosing that for an even day/night cycle, because thanks to position 2, Ubzargan gets to manipulate an entire lynch and kill the following Night.

Do you mean how position 2 was chosen randomly after N3, because N3 ended early? Or someone randomizing a position 2 choice during a previous Night?

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So you don't think it's at all possible that Uzbekistan switched the lynch just to fuck with us? It had to be saving a teammate?

I think in the context of the case against TinyBubbles, I'm more inclined to think it was not to fuck with us.

What's your opinion on the matter?

I think that lynch gets switched no matter what role TinyBubbles has. I think any player at all could have received the most votes and it would have been switched.

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Someone please answer this question,

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power?

No.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So you don't think it's at all possible that Uzbekistan switched the lynch just to fuck with us? It had to be saving a teammate?

I think in the context of the case against TinyBubbles, I'm more inclined to think it was not to fuck with us.

What's your opinion on the matter?

I think that lynch gets switched no matter what role TinyBubbles has. I think any player at all could have received the most votes and it would have been switched.

Fair enough. I think it's definitely a possibility, and I might be tunneling here. But I just really think that it's more likely that Bubbles was saved with a lynch switch on Day 4.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Someone please answer this question,

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power?

No.

Totally agree with this. Even if he wasn't saving a teammate, throwing a lynch switch out there would still cause some confusion.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
In one paragraph, you say you jump on bandwagons and you're cool with it. In the next paragraph, you call the cases bullshit. So you are admitting to jumping on bandwagons with bullshit cases.

timmer wrote:ETA: Wilgy, I have no idea why the word arbitrarily is funny to you, but I like that you're rolling with it, and I doubt I'll be voting you anytime soon

Long Con wrote:

aapje wrote:Aww Typh and Epi.

Interesting that there was no Immortal kill.

@Hosts:
Will failed kills be written into the post?
How many missing PM's?

Failed kills should be written in. I think I missed writing in the Immortal kill that failed last night. I'll write it up today after I talk to BR to be sure of what she wants to do. I think the right solution is to just write up an extra section about this person surviving and post it.

There was definitely one PM missing.

DrWilgy wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Someone please answer this question,

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power?

No.

Totally agree with this. Even if he wasn't saving a teammate, throwing a lynch switch out there would still cause some confusion.

How can you say no, but also say more likely in a previous post?

A powerful aura appears around Wilgy as if he's charging power. The force from his aura is causing the wind around him to be repelled and his hair to stand.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Someone please answer this question,

DrWilgy wrote:Lastly, I would like to ask this, is there a situation in which Ubzargan wouldn't use his power?

No.

Totally agree with this. Even if he wasn't saving a teammate, throwing a lynch switch out there would still cause some confusion.

How can you say no, but also say more likely in a previous post?

A powerful aura appears around Wilgy as if he's charging power. The force from his aura is causing the wind around him to be repelled and his hair to stand.

I meant that I think it's more likely that Bubbles was saved with a lynch switch, rather than Ubzargetoffmybed doing it just to mess with us.

And it's bullsuit btw :P

DharmaHelper wrote:Can someone be a really cool person and tell me how many people were recruited in the period between Days 1 and 2

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Can someone be a really cool person and tell me how many people were recruited in the period between Days 1 and 2

I would tell you but I'm not really cool.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: I meant that I think it's more likely that Bubbles was saved with a lynch switch, rather than Ubzargetoffmybed doing it just to mess with us.

And it's bullsuit btw :P