Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 3]
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pm
Go on.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
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Go on.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
I think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pmMac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
I have yet to see you take control of the game in the way that I am used to. I have seen the same tone that I am used to but not the same impact.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pmGo on.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
I take speedchuck on his word when he says he's super busy. That doesn't tell me anything about his alignment though.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:20 pmI think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pmMac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
This I agree with.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:22 pmI take speedchuck on his word when he says he's super busy. That doesn't tell me anything about his alignment though.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:20 pmI think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pmMac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
What would be satisfying to you? Do you require an essay length response on Michelle's meta? I believe both Nutella and Jack have answered questions about Michelle's meta. Her meta is that she is an inquisitor. She is not too dissimilar to juliets in playstyle. Perhaps you are just being selective with what you are reading.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:18 pmWhy isn’t the Darth Sloonei elephant on this list?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
Why did you frame Epi that way? What about him suggests “not trying to achieve” a civilian victory?
You’re not the first person who has accused Michelle of being off her meta. I’ve asked about this several times but haven’t received a satisfying answer: what is her mets, and how does her play in this game differ from it? I don’t have much experience with michelle, but she was caught pretty quickly the one time I saw her scum game.
Not going to happen. I'm here maybe a couple of hours in the evening. I work two jobs and have three kids. Games on the Internet that don't make me any cash draw the short straw.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pmI have yet to see you take control of the game in the way that I am used to. I have seen the same tone that I am used to but not the same impact.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pmGo on.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
Civilians are fallible and there's nothing in the playbook that says we can't be hypocrites either. My question was what do you believe was TH's mindset if he is mafia there? Are you saying that he was "hoping to skate by"?Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pm @Sloonei
I asked Turnip Head if someone Jack said was an indication if he was bad or if he just did not like it. He ignored me.
He asked the same question later.
So... I ask you, what civ motivation is there to avoid accountability, but demand it from others? What civ motivation is there to then apologize for this behavior and change nothing?
Is that sincere? Is that earnest game solving?
Or is that hoping to skate by?
And that is fine. But that doesn't make him town, and it doesn't mean that he is getting enough attention.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:22 pmI take speedchuck on his word when he says he's super busy. That doesn't tell me anything about his alignment though.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:20 pmI think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pmMac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
But ... Mafia is life?Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pmNot going to happen. I'm here maybe a couple of hours in the evening. I work two jobs and have three kids. Games on the Internet that don't make me any cash draw the short straw.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pmI have yet to see you take control of the game in the way that I am used to. I have seen the same tone that I am used to but not the same impact.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pmGo on.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
Have you ever been in scumchat with me?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:20 pmI think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pmMac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
Here's what I had to say in case you missed it:juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:43 amI'm not town reading Jack (I'm still sorting him) but the middle paragraph is a good point. Epi, please give some thoughts on why you see him as bad (I haven't done your ISO so if you have and I missed it just point me there).Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:03 am Like honestly, Epi, what are you doing.
Your best effort and genuine feeling won’t get me lynched. You know just repeating shit like “Jack is bad” or “Jack should be lynched” isn’t going to do the trick.
What? Are you treading water or something?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:08 pm I missed out on the fun last time around.
Spoiler: show
sabie mentioned Jack and interacted with Jack a butt load of times (there are others; I'm not quoting everything), and she made sure to talk about other people in the same breath. That's the same phenomenon JJJ pointed out regarding her treatment of Radishes.
[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
Debt is slavery. I eliminate the former and I am a free man.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:25 pmBut ... Mafia is life?Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pmNot going to happen. I'm here maybe a couple of hours in the evening. I work two jobs and have three kids. Games on the Internet that don't make me any cash draw the short straw.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pmI have yet to see you take control of the game in the way that I am used to. I have seen the same tone that I am used to but not the same impact.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pmGo on.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.![]()
Agree with all of this. These names are definitely all going in my poe whenever poe starts being a thing. That said, none of them are priorities for today's lynch imo.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
I'm gonna pass on this. I don't have the time. It's just an evolving feeling that I've had towards you throughout the game. If you say "no I am not", I'll accept that.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pmRegarding your first sentence, see your second sentence. Show me where I’m shifting my reads to suit the mood.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:15 pmI rarely struggle to read Sloonei. He's probably about to do the old "Mac scum reads me everygame" bit. Town Sloonei gets leads, bites down and them and works them until they are either proven in his mind or disproven. Here he is quicksilver, shifting his reads to suit the mood.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmWell I think you and he are teammates so this is interesting coming from you. What are your thoughts?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pmCan we talk about the Darth Sloonei shaped elephant in the room?
Sprityo really should be in the conversation for a lynch today, and they should all be being prodded a great deal.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:27 pmAgree with all of this. These names are definitely all going in my poe whenever poe starts being a thing. That said, none of them are priorities for today's lynch imo.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
This is just me trying to develop a read on you. I have a vague suspicion but nothing firm. I'd like to fix that. I'm just asking you to explain the reads you've stated. Your michelle answer satisfies me. I can't say I have a clear read on her either, but provided some direction and that's nice.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pmWhat would be satisfying to you? Do you require an essay length response on Michelle's meta? I believe both Nutella and Jack have answered questions about Michelle's meta. Her meta is that she is an inquisitor. She is not too dissimilar to juliets in playstyle. Perhaps you are just being selective with what you are reading.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:18 pmWhy isn’t the Darth Sloonei elephant on this list?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
Why did you frame Epi that way? What about him suggests “not trying to achieve” a civilian victory?
You’re not the first person who has accused Michelle of being off her meta. I’ve asked about this several times but haven’t received a satisfying answer: what is her mets, and how does her play in this game differ from it? I don’t have much experience with michelle, but she was caught pretty quickly the one time I saw her scum game.
Darth Sloonei is not on this list because you are the one who asked the question and I literally just mentioned you in another post. What kind of gotcha bs is this?
I framed Epi that way because that is how I feel about his contribution?
You seem butthurt.
Epi I did miss this somehow, thanks.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:26 pm Jesus, juliets, I almost edited your post instead of quoted it.![]()
Long day. Not a bad day, just a long one.
Here's what I had to say in case you missed it:juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:43 amI'm not town reading Jack (I'm still sorting him) but the middle paragraph is a good point. Epi, please give some thoughts on why you see him as bad (I haven't done your ISO so if you have and I missed it just point me there).Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:03 am Like honestly, Epi, what are you doing.
Your best effort and genuine feeling won’t get me lynched. You know just repeating shit like “Jack is bad” or “Jack should be lynched” isn’t going to do the trick.
What? Are you treading water or something?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:08 pm I missed out on the fun last time around.
Spoiler: show
sabie mentioned Jack and interacted with Jack a butt load of times (there are others; I'm not quoting everything), and she made sure to talk about other people in the same breath. That's the same phenomenon JJJ pointed out regarding her treatment of Radishes.
[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
How is it skating by when it has clearly drawn your ire? I think it is conspicuous in a way that is more likely town than scum. But idk.Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pm @Sloonei
I asked Turnip Head if someone Jack said was an indication if he was bad or if he just did not like it. He ignored me.
He asked the same question later.
So... I ask you, what civ motivation is there to avoid accountability, but demand it from others? What civ motivation is there to then apologize for this behavior and change nothing?
Is that sincere? Is that earnest game solving?
Or is that hoping to skate by?
I am so glad I'm not your girlfriend jfc.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:30 pmThis is just me trying to develop a read on you. I have a vague suspicion but nothing firm. I'd like to fix that. I'm just asking you to explain the reads you've stated. Your michelle answer satisfies me. I can't say I have a clear read on her either, but provided some direction and that's nice.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pmWhat would be satisfying to you? Do you require an essay length response on Michelle's meta? I believe both Nutella and Jack have answered questions about Michelle's meta. Her meta is that she is an inquisitor. She is not too dissimilar to juliets in playstyle. Perhaps you are just being selective with what you are reading.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:18 pmWhy isn’t the Darth Sloonei elephant on this list?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pmA great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;
Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
Why did you frame Epi that way? What about him suggests “not trying to achieve” a civilian victory?
You’re not the first person who has accused Michelle of being off her meta. I’ve asked about this several times but haven’t received a satisfying answer: what is her mets, and how does her play in this game differ from it? I don’t have much experience with michelle, but she was caught pretty quickly the one time I saw her scum game.
Darth Sloonei is not on this list because you are the one who asked the question and I literally just mentioned you in another post. What kind of gotcha bs is this?
I framed Epi that way because that is how I feel about his contribution?
You seem butthurt.
I was not trying to get you by asking about myself. But you singled me out as a suspect one post earlier, and then didn't name in a big list of suspects. I was curious about that, and about why you think I'm bad this time.
Why do you feel that way about Epi's contribution?
None of these are trick questions. Talk to me, MacDougall.
I'm the only one who pointed out and then no one paid any attention to it for... several days.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:36 pmHow is it skating by when it has clearly drawn your ire? I think it is conspicuous in a way that is more likely town than scum. But idk.Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pm @Sloonei
I asked Turnip Head if someone Jack said was an indication if he was bad or if he just did not like it. He ignored me.
He asked the same question later.
So... I ask you, what civ motivation is there to avoid accountability, but demand it from others? What civ motivation is there to then apologize for this behavior and change nothing?
Is that sincere? Is that earnest game solving?
Or is that hoping to skate by?
Also, sloonei probably already said this, but. Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook.
Baby's asleep, so it's awesome, thanks for asking.
super!speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:44 pmBaby's asleep, so it's awesome, thanks for asking.
Also Dizzy gave us a pretty amazing ghost post.
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:38 pmI expect more from her by now in terms of reacting to stuff and asking a lot of questions. She's kinda like juliets in that she asks a lot of questions, and (somewhat unlike juliets) I believe that it pretty strongly indicates her town meta when she does, and she has a hard time replicating it as scum. I know she was offline for a bit but I still feel like I haven't seen as much as I expect from her since day 1.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:23 pmwhat is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:35 pmI can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.
Noted. I see you also compare her to juliets. I forget which game Michelle was scum in recently. Maybe i'll dig that up later. I'm distracted by america's dumb election results right nownutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:52 pmSlooneinutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:38 pmI expect more from her by now in terms of reacting to stuff and asking a lot of questions. She's kinda like juliets in that she asks a lot of questions, and (somewhat unlike juliets) I believe that it pretty strongly indicates her town meta when she does, and she has a hard time replicating it as scum. I know she was offline for a bit but I still feel like I haven't seen as much as I expect from her since day 1.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:23 pmwhat is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:35 pmI can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.