Re: Dr. Who Mafia - Day 7
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:43 pm
LC was becoming a suspect of mine beforeally he thinks I no u-ed him.
Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.
"Beforeally"? I want to add that word to the insanifier.Chris wrote:LC was becoming a suspect of mine beforeally he thinks I no u-ed him.
A LD role was seriously one of the hardest roles i have had. It takes forever to comb through posts and find something checkable i found. I dont think most of anyones coerced statements are useful, but i dont know how bea and bwt set the limits. Epi has since made multiple statements of i am not a robot etc. but i just dont much faith in his or anyone elses statement. What did peak my interest was sabies vote for chris, but the previous roxy vote. She seems to have been sick, but flying under the radar seems particularly apt. I woukd be interested to hear more from her today.Black Rock wrote:Actually, good girl is not a checkable statement. This type of behaviour is suspect to me. You were all over Epig for his statement, and yet you do the same type and want to be "Look, I'm a civvie. I have been ever so cooperative with a LD statement."Roxy wrote:Epi - what do you think of sabie saying she needs to read through things but knows enough to know that we are discussing lie detectors?
They would not waste 8 nights if they just check the one that says I am a good girl.
This is a valid statement Roxy.Epignosis wrote:Yes, I'm sure the lie detector would like to spend 8 Nights checking those.
I know I'm a little late to the press on this one, but I don't understand how Roxy can have a valid argument when her statements suck just as much as Epigs.
sabie12 wrote:Hey guys still not feeling all that well. Anyway I'm gonna have to go through and read things. My current suspicion has been rox because she was so adament abiut the lie detector thing but wasn't making statements herself. Ill have to actually look backfor sure to make my decision though. Just want to have a vote in for now.
She made only two posts in between these, so i d like to know what happened to change her mind. It feels like she is voting the way the thread reads and not of her own volition.sabie12 wrote:So from the story it sounds like Chris survived 2 nks? That seems weird. Voting him for now. I'll have to check back in later. Off to work.
These posts that Epi quoted start at 6:31pmDFaraday wrote:After finally catching up, I do find both Epi and Dom to make compelling points regarding their respective nemeses. However, I agree with SVS that Made was very likely saved, and I think that if Enrique is bad, he's teamed with Made. I feel more confident about Made being a baddie than Enrique overall though.
And here 6:39pm. Well after DF has already mentioned the idea.Epignosis wrote:Enrique voted Made to save his own skin.
But Made hasn't voted Enrique.
So Epi what I am wondering is did the idea come from you before DF's post? Df did address my question below and seemed to change his mind about the possible teammates.Epignosis wrote:Made has defended the shit out of Enrique. Enrique doesn't think Made is bad either. In a game with one bad team, defending civilians is a logical strategy if you are bad. In a game of two or more bad teams, defending "civilians" is a risk because you could wind up defending someone on the other team.
But when it comes down to the votes, now that it's clearly between Made and Enrique, Enrique is SWIFT to vote Made to save himself, but Made won't vote Enrique.
Huh.
Addendum: If you had a teammate who couldn't be lynched, you'd be okay voting for him, right?
This was before he voted for enrique though and most of the thread seemed to agree they were very likely teammates after the save so i am a bit confused. I coudlnt find a vote post either. I am increasingly wary of dfarday and think him very likely a cyber.DFaraday wrote:The bandwagon that led to Snow Dog 1.0's death read to me like a save attempt, and I still wonder whether it was. That was the biggest thing which sent me in Made's direction (then his inconsistent behavior and self vote just dug him deeper in my view).Dom wrote:DFaraday, Hedge's post actually reminded me about something I meant to comment on earlier.
Can you explain the following:
In this post, you said you didn't see anything about Made that caused suspicion. You said nothing about Made seemed baddie.
What changed when you made this post? You didn't make any posts about Made in the interim. I'm confused as to how you got to that thought.
Hedge, I don't have any real grounds for believing that they are teammates, but I did (and do) feel pretty confident that Made was bad, and I was wary of Enrqiue. I had a thought that the shenanigans yesterday might have been some kind of a ploy between the two of them to ensure Made's survival, and thus thought the teammates idea had some merit. The more I think about it, the less Enrique's NK survival makes sense in that scenario, though.
Before anyone says anything about it: Yes, I'm changing my view on something. Because I thought about it further and didn't come to the same conclusion as I did before.
Dom wrote:BR I can't remember but did you agree with Roxys cSe on Epig? I'm on my phone and screwing up my multiquoted posts so I don't really wanna check for thatBlack Rock wrote:Actually, good girl is not a checkable statement. This type of behaviour is suspect to me. You were all over Epig for his statement, and yet you do the same type and want to be "Look, I'm a civvie. I have been ever so cooperative with a LD statement."Roxy wrote:Epi - what do you think of sabie saying she needs to read through things but knows enough to know that we are discussing lie detectors?
They would not waste 8 nights if they just check the one that says I am a good girl.
This is a valid statement Roxy.Epignosis wrote:Yes, I'm sure the lie detector would like to spend 8 Nights checking those.
I know I'm a little late to the press on this one, but I don't understand how Roxy can have a valid argument when her statements suck just as much as Epigs.
I agree with your assessment on Chris at this point. I think it likely he's the master, but could wait until tomorrow for that one. I am a bit confused on your Epi vs Roxy suspicions though. You suspected Epi based on Roxys case, but now think it was weak and suspect her for it as a Cyber? I am not sure i understand how that works. I obviously missed your earlier suspicion of her though. As regards her suspicion of me i thought it was because i was so absent and she thought i was playing like lost where i double -crossed her. She did the same to me though in her recent baddie win by buddying up to me, so i tend to think her civ when she suspects me and refuses to listen to reason.MovingPictures07 wrote:Actually, you know what? Disregard what I said. I thought about this more. If Chris is The Master, he will just survive this lynch anyway. So if he is, maybe we should see if he gets NKed again. Additionally, the strict focus on him today, while it left less for me to catch up, makes it easier for baddies to just skate by today and latch onto a Chris vote. And although I really don't think he is Sarah Jane, or even Jack, there is the possibility that he is in fact that role and the first killer was blocked. AND although I think Chris's defense is very unconvincing and inadequate, at least in my opinion, I reserve the opinion that it means he could still be a lone civvie, just a very, very misguided one.
I've also been really thinking about Rox. Her recent fixation on Epig 2.0 even though she was being hypocritical... in an effort to seem like she's genuinely baddie hunting. Then I thought about why I found her suspicious REALLY early in the game and I just don't know that I think she's legitimately baddie hunting this game... maybe she is, but I think she honestly is our best lead at a Cyber at this point. The remainder of the game other than Epig 2.0, she has suspected Hedgeowl HARD but then dropped it completely and I've asked her SEVERAL TIMES why she has and she has failed to address my concern. I wonder if it was maybe distancing or a convenient target and she was hoping to drum up this case on Epig 2.0 instead. In addition, she latched onto mine and S~V~S's case that Daisy was bad earlier in the game because she was convinced the fact that both of us agreeing meant we were onto something. Her behavior has been really latchy and sneaky this game. If you don't believe me, go look for yourself and see if I'm right or off the mark.
Additionally, potentially cracking the Cybermen makes more sense. And a main reason I was sticking with Chris and not voting her today is because I haven't had the time to properly look back at Rox's posts. But I'm not going to let that make me ignore my gut. So you know what? Screw it. I really think Rox is bad. If Chris really is The Master, let another NK determine that. Let's not waste a lynch today, even if he is, because it'll just fail anyway, and then we'll have to either lynch him again or NK him.
On this note, again, I realize I haven't had the time to build a proper case, but I feel more confident in voting for Roxy. So I am switching my vote to her. I think people should look at her in more detail if they have the time.
NOW I really have to go because I have so much to do. Be back later!
Holy shit, keys. I crusaded against made for a long long time. I have brought up several original points, asked lots of questions of players, and brought up a lot of topics. In addition, I was the first to ask the hosts about Chris's survival. You are mudslinging big time.keys56000000000 wrote:If players vote for Chris based on this poor lynchtrain case, without offering much else, then yeah, that's lazy. That's not an ad hominem, because it's not something irrelevant to a case I'm making. The case I'm making is that some players are lazy, therefore it is apt to call them lazy. And I'm being sarcastic when I call this Chris lynchmob "eggheads". It's designed to mock their poor case. Again, not an ad hominem. I really think an English teacher of all people would know the difference, maybe you're just not a very good teacher.Dom wrote:You beat me to it.Epignosis wrote:keys56000000000 wrote:...where ad hominems are used ...keys56000000000 wrote:with lazy players... Later, eggheads.![]()
Dom, do you ever have an original thought? Or do you just piggy-back on others all the time?
You have three votesChris wrote:At least after I die someone surviving a NK will have one less civvies role to try to claim.
Good luck civvies folks, you'll need it.
Yes, o powerful and knowledgable one.keys56000000000 wrote:Chris did actually point that out, but it was used against him. The guy is hopeless at defending himself. But I for one believe him, 100%. He's a civ, move on.MP wrote:Actually, you know what? Disregard what I said. I thought about this more. If Chris is The Master, he will just survive this lynch anyway. So if he is, maybe we should see if he gets NKed again.
Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.Epignosis wrote:Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.![]()
Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.
Thank you!Black Rock wrote:Dom wrote:BR I can't remember but did you agree with Roxys cSe on Epig? I'm on my phone and screwing up my multiquoted posts so I don't really wanna check for thatBlack Rock wrote:Actually, good girl is not a checkable statement. This type of behaviour is suspect to me. You were all over Epig for his statement, and yet you do the same type and want to be "Look, I'm a civvie. I have been ever so cooperative with a LD statement."Roxy wrote:Epi - what do you think of sabie saying she needs to read through things but knows enough to know that we are discussing lie detectors?
They would not waste 8 nights if they just check the one that says I am a good girl.
This is a valid statement Roxy.Epignosis wrote:Yes, I'm sure the lie detector would like to spend 8 Nights checking those.
I know I'm a little late to the press on this one, but I don't understand how Roxy can have a valid argument when her statements suck just as much as Epigs.
I looked over her case, but I have my own theory on Epig Vs Enrique. My theory leaves Epig as neutral to me. He could be bad or good, I can't be sure.
Crap, I thought this posted an hour ago. Now I will catch up.
If I am understanding your question correctly...Hedgeowl wrote:So Epi what I am wondering is did the idea come from you before DF's post? Df did address my question below and seemed to change his mind about the possible teammates.
The post you listed from DF is from Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:40 pm, after my Saturday response to Dom.Epignosis wrote:English teacher fail.Dom wrote:Epig, do you think my concerns with Made are valid?
I didn't directly address your question at all.![]()
It has also been said that Made has been behaving differently than in other games. My sample size is small, but I'd say "lashing out, no u, misrepresentation" is par for the course when he's good.Dom wrote:Initially, Made said he missed something I said, and subsequently said he misread it. I thought teammates had filled him in on something, and he screwed up. I pressured. Response: lashing out, no u, misrepresentation. Then, he got very angry, and that read as even more baddie. He seems cornered.
If I am suspicious of Made, it's because he's defended Enrique, who moves around more than Bill Clinton's underwear.
You're right keys. I give up. Even if I don't get lynched, my role is basically outted. So everyone should just vote for me, so I can come back civvie and MP or whoever next survives an NK will have one less civ role to hide behind.keys56000000000 wrote:Chris: Don't panic, you're digging a hole for yourself. Don't make it easy for the mafia to hop on the bandwagon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CybermanIt is presumed (and often implied) that there are still organic components beneath their suits, meaning they are actually cyborgs, not robots: in The Tenth Planet, a Cyberman tells a group of humans that "our brains are just like yours", although by the time of Attack of the Cybermen (1985), their brains seem to have been replaced with electronics.
Third, Gotrees had this to say about Enrique (and MP) before the Enrique lynch. Note it begins with a soft complaint about how hard the game is to keep up with:Gotrees wrote:Man, I'm not certain on either of them.
Epig does a better job arguing his case than Dom does, but Enri does a better job arguing his case than Made does.
Are people assuming Made is the Emperor Dalek and cant get lynched? Someone mentioned it earlier: if that were the case, there would be no need to save him last night. Also, I don't see any connection between Enrique and Made. Frankly, other people have come across as closer to each other.
The most suspicious thing on Enrique to me is his trend of unlucky votes, but it would be pretty hypocritical for me to criticize him for that, considering my record isn't too great either. His survival of last night is also a bit odd, but it seems pretty certain that it would be possible for him to potentially survive that night as a civ (eg. if the Master was blocked).
I feel reluctant voting for Made, though, too. I don't entirely understand the argument against him.
The thing I'm ultimately falling back on to base this vote on is my experiences with them outside of the game, since I mostly know them in that context. I mentioned on one of the first days that Made seemed a bit off to me. Enrique seems more like his usual self. It's entirely possible that he's just a better liar, but that's what I'm going on for now. I really hope I'm right.
(I cut off the rest of this quote which was about MP)Gotrees wrote:Man, even without a lot of discussion this game is too much for me.
To be perfectly honest, MP and Enrique both seem equally bad to me. And by that, I mean they both seem civ. But so does everyone else. They just seem less civ than most people. I really need to improve my baddie-detector.
The case against Enrique is pretty much set in stone, I think. I agree that Made's actions seem suspicious, but can Enrique be entirely blamed for that? It is possible that Made just wanted to go out with a bang or something, or as someone mentioned a few posts up, wanted to save himself from being exposed as a baddie in an almost-tie. I don't know.
Yes, o powerful and knowledgable one. [/quote]keys56000000000 wrote:Chris did actually point that out, but it was used against him. The guy is hopeless at defending himself. But I for one believe him, 100%. He's a civ, move on.MP wrote:Actually, you know what? Disregard what I said. I thought about this more. If Chris is The Master, he will just survive this lynch anyway. So if he is, maybe we should see if he gets NKed again.
Dom wrote:Yes, o powerful and knowledgable one.keys56000000000 wrote:Chris did actually point that out, but it was used against him. The guy is hopeless at defending himself. But I for one believe him, 100%. He's a civ, move on.MP wrote:Actually, you know what? Disregard what I said. I thought about this more. If Chris is The Master, he will just survive this lynch anyway. So if he is, maybe we should see if he gets NKed again.
Sorry, I'm a bit unclear what you're wary of. Do you think I was trying to pass of Epi's idea as my own?Hedgeowl wrote:Ok, so this is what i find interesting. This post was made by DF at 2:40pm. However, Epi and others have said the idea of made and Enri being teammates started with him.
These posts that Epi quoted start at 6:31pmDFaraday wrote:After finally catching up, I do find both Epi and Dom to make compelling points regarding their respective nemeses. However, I agree with SVS that Made was very likely saved, and I think that if Enrique is bad, he's teamed with Made. I feel more confident about Made being a baddie than Enrique overall though.
And here 6:39pm. Well after DF has already mentioned the idea.Epignosis wrote:Enrique voted Made to save his own skin.
But Made hasn't voted Enrique.
So Epi what I am wondering is did the idea come from you before DF's post? Df did address my question below and seemed to change his mind about the possible teammates.Epignosis wrote:Made has defended the shit out of Enrique. Enrique doesn't think Made is bad either. In a game with one bad team, defending civilians is a logical strategy if you are bad. In a game of two or more bad teams, defending "civilians" is a risk because you could wind up defending someone on the other team.
But when it comes down to the votes, now that it's clearly between Made and Enrique, Enrique is SWIFT to vote Made to save himself, but Made won't vote Enrique.
Huh.
Addendum: If you had a teammate who couldn't be lynched, you'd be okay voting for him, right?
This was before he voted for enrique though and most of the thread seemed to agree they were very likely teammates after the save so i am a bit confused. I coudlnt find a vote post either. I am increasingly wary of dfarday and think him very likely a cyber.DFaraday wrote:The bandwagon that led to Snow Dog 1.0's death read to me like a save attempt, and I still wonder whether it was. That was the biggest thing which sent me in Made's direction (then his inconsistent behavior and self vote just dug him deeper in my view).Dom wrote:DFaraday, Hedge's post actually reminded me about something I meant to comment on earlier.
Can you explain the following:
In this post, you said you didn't see anything about Made that caused suspicion. You said nothing about Made seemed baddie.
What changed when you made this post? You didn't make any posts about Made in the interim. I'm confused as to how you got to that thought.
Hedge, I don't have any real grounds for believing that they are teammates, but I did (and do) feel pretty confident that Made was bad, and I was wary of Enrqiue. I had a thought that the shenanigans yesterday might have been some kind of a ploy between the two of them to ensure Made's survival, and thus thought the teammates idea had some merit. The more I think about it, the less Enrique's NK survival makes sense in that scenario, though.
Before anyone says anything about it: Yes, I'm changing my view on something. Because I thought about it further and didn't come to the same conclusion as I did before.
This kind of breakdown is just one of the consequences of ignoring the warning of Long Con.juliets wrote:Chris, why did you vote for yourself? If you're a civ that's not the way to fight back allegations that you are baddie.
Long Con wrote:With me, Chris cracked my master plan to kill him with my baddie teammates by analyzing my actions from the start of today. His detective mind suddenly came into focus when looking at the things I said and did, and he realized that I was just one cog in the baddie plan to finally end his life, and rid ourselves of this wretched thorn in our side. Because, you know, he was a big enough problem for me and my baddie team that we had to act fast, and openly, and together, to publicly take him out.
I just wanted to come back to this, I don't know how else you would expect me to talk about your case against me. I don't see how anything I said is not what you said. Was your accusation not that I am on the Cyber team with MP and Epig and Dom/Hedge and that we knew who you are and are trying to kill you because of it? So I called it a "master plan to kill you with my baddie teammates", I don't think that is anything but accurate, I wouldn't expect you to have a problem with it.Chris wrote:I noticed LC gets condescending when he's a baddie and someone is on him. Almost like he can make anything I say lose all meaning by making fun of anything I say.
That's cool LC. It's a bit of a shit type tactic, but I've got thick skin. So, make fun all you want. I just hope other players see what I see.
Roxy believes that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker, i.e., a Cyberman. I'm not, but she believes I am. Very well.Dom wrote:Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.Epignosis wrote:Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.![]()
Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.
I think you are purposefully taking Roxy literally when she clearly meant something else, tbh.Epignosis wrote:Roxy believes that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker, i.e., a Cyberman. I'm not, but she believes I am. Very well.Dom wrote:Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.Epignosis wrote:Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.![]()
Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.
She says that if you think I'm civilian then vote for her. She guarantees that after she's dead you will lynch me next.
Now then, if Roxy gets lynched and is civilian, does that provide credence for her claim that I am a role checker or on a team with one? No. For her claim against me to have any merit whatsoever, she has to be bad.
To summarize it:
Roxy: Epignosis has to be a role checker or on a team with a role checker. That's how he knew Enrique was bad. If anyone disagrees with me, then lynch me, and then you'll see that I'm right.
Clearly? Then please tell me what she meant. Because I'm not seeing it.Dom wrote:I think you are purposefully taking Roxy literally when she clearly meant something else, tbh.Epignosis wrote:Roxy believes that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker, i.e., a Cyberman. I'm not, but she believes I am. Very well.Dom wrote:Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.Epignosis wrote:Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.![]()
Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.
She says that if you think I'm civilian then vote for her. She guarantees that after she's dead you will lynch me next.
Now then, if Roxy gets lynched and is civilian, does that provide credence for her claim that I am a role checker or on a team with one? No. For her claim against me to have any merit whatsoever, she has to be bad.
To summarize it:
Roxy: Epignosis has to be a role checker or on a team with a role checker. That's how he knew Enrique was bad. If anyone disagrees with me, then lynch me, and then you'll see that I'm right.
I don't think this reasoning is fair at all: I'm either aggressive and therefore bad (see Ep1) or not aggressive enough and therefore bad.juliets wrote:Epi I've been mostly focused on the whole LD portion of the case against you but since that is cleared up I need to think about your baddie hunting. The claim against you seems fair - I haven't seen you baddie hunt in your normal aggressive style. The style you used with me, even though I was good. What's going on with the baddie-hunting since you subbed back in? If you've answered this amidst all the other lie detector stuff I missed it.
Dom wrote:<snip>
TH, I haven't received any real feedback on this: last time Chris was a SK, he pulled a NO U on me for suspecting him. That's a large part of my suspicion on him. It was far less about him surviving two nks in one night and much more about him throwing anyone who questioned him's names into the baddie ring simply because they disagree with him and thus must be in a conspiracy to kill him.
Dom, I threw your name out there as the 2nd part of an "or". (As is Hedgie or Dom) YOu're acting as if I made a case on you. I wanted to voice who I, at the moment, thought the Cybermen were/are. It's not an accusation.Dom wrote:<snip> I understand that you're looking at Chris being the Master because he survived 2 NKs, but do you think it would make sense for the Master to vote for you later rather than sooner given how close it was? I'm looking at Chris for the same reason as I think you are, but I am unsure why you think the master would vote so early for you.
You see, you're lying there. YOu said earlier in the response to Epig that you suspect me for the same reason he did, because I survived 2 NKs.That's a large part of my suspicion on him. It was far less about him surviving two nks in one night and much more about him throwing anyone who questioned him's names into the baddie ring simply because they disagree with him
But now here you are saying it was because I no u-ed you. But, like I said, it was barely even mentioning your name. I had a touch of bad feeling about you and Hedgie to begin with. I had been on MP as a baddie since the beginning of the game. LC got my attention when he started threatening anyone asking for information in the thread.Dom wrote:<snip>You survived... two...Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?
<snip>
That's it. That's what Dom got all worked up about. (IF you want to see the whole post, it's rather large, it's here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 900#p90669)Chris wrote:<snip>
My thoughts on who the Cybermen are?
The Cyber Controller - MP
The Cyberman Head - LC
Cyberman 1 & 2 - Epig and either Hedgie or Dom.
<snip>
Could it, be, oh I don't know, like I said... both?Chris wrote:Dom wrote:<snip>
TH, I haven't received any real feedback on this: last time Chris was a SK, he pulled a NO U on me for suspecting him. That's a large part of my suspicion on him. It was far less about him surviving two nks in one night and much more about him throwing anyone who questioned him's names into the baddie ring simply because they disagree with him and thus must be in a conspiracy to kill him.Dom, I threw your name out there as the 2nd part of an "or". (As is Hedgie or Dom) YOu're acting as if I made a case on you. I wanted to voice who I, at the moment, thought the Cybermen were/are. It's not an accusation.Dom wrote:<snip> I understand that you're looking at Chris being the Master because he survived 2 NKs, but do you think it would make sense for the Master to vote for you later rather than sooner given how close it was? I'm looking at Chris for the same reason as I think you are, but I am unsure why you think the master would vote so early for you.
You see, you're lying there. YOu said earlier in the response to Epig that you suspect me for the same reason he did, because I survived 2 NKs.That's a large part of my suspicion on him. It was far less about him surviving two nks in one night and much more about him throwing anyone who questioned him's names into the baddie ring simply because they disagree with him
You reiterate here too:
But now here you are saying it was because I no u-ed you. But, like I said, it was barely even mentioning your name. I had a touch of bad feeling about you and Hedgie to begin with. I had been on MP as a baddie since the beginning of the game. LC got my attention when he started threatening anyone asking for information in the thread.Dom wrote:<snip>You survived... two...Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?
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Then after 2 of the 4 ways a player can be killed at night were used against me, and then MP and LC come right in and lay votes on me, I'd say I was reasonably paranoid that I was wanted dead. SO I wanted to get my thoughts out. SO I mentioned you:
That's it. That's what Dom got all worked up about. (IF you want to see the whole post, it's rather large, it's here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 900#p90669)Chris wrote:<snip>
My thoughts on who the Cybermen are?
The Cyber Controller - MP
The Cyberman Head - LC
Cyberman 1 & 2 - Epig and either Hedgie or Dom.
<snip>
My point is, in that huge post, I say Dom's name one time, and it's enough for him to vote me.
So which is it Dom, do you suspect me because I survived two NKs, or because I mentioned your name once in a 1000 word post?
Slow down there you baddie hunting madman. You brought up something that was clearly said in the night post, and you brought up a different game were I was a serial killer to support your claim I'm a serial killer here? Can I go back to the other game to defend myself? Because it's kinda tough to defend something you did in another game.not only did I say something about Chris surviving the NKs first, but because I brought in my experience with him in past games.
that's nice chrisChris wrote:But you just said that you didn't suspect me for surviving the NKs.
I dunno. Just make up your mind on what reason you want to make up to vote me.
And:
Slow down there you baddie hunting madman. You brought up something that was clearly said in the night post, and you brought up a different game were I was a serial killer to support your claim I'm a serial killer here? Can I go back to the other game to defend myself? Because it's kinda tough to defend something you did in another game.not only did I say something about Chris surviving the NKs first, but because I brought in my experience with him in past games.
Let me try...
I'm not the serial killer from Six Feet Under anymore.
oh my godChris wrote:Notice how Dom ignores the main part of my post back there, where he's voting me for mentioning his name once.
One time.
Look all you want, I think the points brought up on him and his survival are good ones.keys56000000000 wrote:SVS, I don't know for sure. But there's a lot of evidence that points towards Chris's innocence. The unlikely hood of reywaS giving up a good role. Chris's lack of direction. Poor suspicions, panicked defenses. Doesn't bear the signs of someone being guided by teammates in any way whatsoever. The fact that Strax's kill didn't go through on Chris, a certainty for the first three civvies he targets.
Why are you voting Chris? I'm looking very hard at Chris voters.
keys56000000000 wrote:Who's vouched for whom? I must have missed all the vouchings.
MP, I've gone over your MM case and it's not bad at all. I especially agree with the assessment of his behaviour during the Enri lynch.
I too share your concern re: Hedgeowl. More likely than not that there's something to that.
Rox, I don't know about your case against Epig2. It's really hard for me to get a good reading on people that replace back into games. I'm gonna give him some time.
SVS, don't you see how weak this is?S~V~S wrote: First he implied he was a surviving civ, then he implied that it was Strax' civ kill fail. Then he said, "Well, if I am the Master, the lynch would be wasted on me"