Death Note Mafia [END]

[bea]

how is what I said false? or are you just selectively quoting MM? I asked epi -and llama - if that early voting is a thing for someone besides snowman, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be balanced across the bard for roles rather than a tell for a whole team. The quote you quoted of mine was me specifically asking them - are you sure that's what's going on here? I don't know what of what I asked was false and no one gave me an answer as to what they were thinking - so what the hell did I do wrong here? What did I miss read or misinterpret???

[thellama73]

My vote was impulsive.

Epi raises a good point that Kira could kill any one of us at any time, so I think I will join you.

*votes TH*

[juliets]

My vote was impulsive.

So what gave you the impulse to vote for him?

[AceofSpaces]

I'm going to throw some of my thoughts out there. These ones don't include Made or Zombs, because I've already given my thoughts on them and nothings been added to that yet.

Russ is here. He should post. Unless he is "silenced" again.

DP has posted literally nothing of any consequence since the game started.

Welp, since he's given his surrendervote... *votes Snowman*

He only voted for Snowman after Snowman had given his "surrendervote". That is a great way to avoid responsibility for ones actions.

Hey DP! Anything to say?

TBH I really don't know who I'm going to vote today. I'll need to look at posts more.

I'll keep beating this drum until it breaks. I don't like indecisive players. Post like these are big red flags to me.

Any quick thoughts from your skimmings?

On my skimmings? Not really. When I skim most of it is just me seeing if people are talking about me.

Right now though, I'm not inclined to go after Snowman. If his only other game was one he had BTSC in and he was a lot more into that game than this one, then yeah it'd make sense that he wouldn't have BTSC and thus be less participatory here.

As for who I'll vote, not sure yet. Being that over half the roles are not detectives I'm almost tempted to go after anyone who leaves me feeling weird. SVS seems a bit odd to me mostly that she just seems really agreeable (like in the willing to agree sort of way) with everyone, but maybe she's just in a really good mood. Of the main suspects, I'm most inclined to vote llama, I don't know in a way it feels like he's just trying to take advantage of an easy target. I guess I just don't get the Snowman suspicion at the moment.

linki: Even if you were, Elo?

I have a personally theory that people who are mafia post more smilies than people who aren't. It's because they think it makes them appear more genuine.

[bea]

@ epi - IDK if you can - maybe let someone else see something in DH's posts? I get where you are coming from, but it doesn't seem to be productive - what do you think of boo?

linkie - epi - you couldn't have waited like 4 minutes for me to deal with my laggy computer and linki?

Sorry bea. If Kira kills me, I want my vote to count.

I think boo is evil. Lynch him too.

However, I already voted, and so I won't be making extensive cases or clogging up the thread.

fair enough

linki w/ Aces - I think DP is not mafia this game. It's just a gut feel and I totally get where you are coming from and not inclined to trust me at all, but for his always low uninvolved self - this feels more like his civ game than his mafia game to me.

[thellama73]

I like "The Aces Smiley Theorem." I wish I had thought of it.

[AceofSpaces]

@ epi - IDK if you can - maybe let someone else see something in DH's posts? I get where you are coming from, but it doesn't seem to be productive - what do you think of boo?

linkie - epi - you couldn't have waited like 4 minutes for me to deal with my laggy computer and linki?

Sorry bea. If Kira kills me, I want my vote to count.

I think boo is evil. Lynch him too.

However, I already voted, and so I won't be making extensive cases or clogging up the thread.

You would have had more luck getting support for that one, I think.

[Epignosis]

@ epi - IDK if you can - maybe let someone else see something in DH's posts? I get where you are coming from, but it doesn't seem to be productive - what do you think of boo?

linkie - epi - you couldn't have waited like 4 minutes for me to deal with my laggy computer and linki?

Sorry bea. If Kira kills me, I want my vote to count.

I think boo is evil. Lynch him too.

However, I already voted, and so I won't be making extensive cases or clogging up the thread.

You would have had more luck getting support for that one, I think.

There's always tomorrow. Maybe.

[Turnip Head]

linki w/ Aces - I think DP is not mafia this game. It's just a gut feel and I totally get where you are coming from and not inclined to trust me at all, but for his always low uninvolved self - this feels more like his civ game than his mafia game to me.

Can you explain the difference between how you view DP's civ game and baddie game? For now I'm on Ace's side here. DP seems hesitant to offer anything unless he's asked to.

[Marmot]

how is what I said false? or are you just selectively quoting MM? I asked epi -and llama - if that early voting is a thing for someone besides snowman, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be balanced across the bard for roles rather than a tell for a whole team. The quote you quoted of mine was me specifically asking them - are you sure that's what's going on here? I don't know what of what I asked was false and no one gave me an answer as to what they were thinking - so what the hell did I do wrong here? What did I miss read or misinterpret???

I'm just upset because I spent 7 hours working on the puzzle this morning. This is partially because I love puzzles a lot, and partially because it seemed important to the game. Regardless, I did it because I thought it was fun, and I wanted to help finish it. But then I went to work and come home, and I'm suddenly being accused of "distracting" and "trying to look helpful". It feels like all that work I did was just stupid and worthless. And llama brings up a point against me that you immediately grabbed onto. I don't mean to play the emotional card, but I am annoyed. It's not a ploy from me to look pro-detective, I just did it because I wanted to.

[Turnip Head]

Yeah... that puzzle was a metic butt-ton of work. Y'all should be celebrating the puzzle solvers, not accusing them of trying to distract or seem helpful. That thing was a nightmare.

[Epignosis]

Yeah... that puzzle was a metic butt-ton of work. Y'all should be celebrating the puzzle solvers, not accusing them of trying to distract or seem helpful. That thing was a nightmare.

I disagree.

[DharmaHelper]

how is what I said false? or are you just selectively quoting MM? I asked epi -and llama - if that early voting is a thing for someone besides snowman, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be balanced across the bard for roles rather than a tell for a whole team. The quote you quoted of mine was me specifically asking them - are you sure that's what's going on here? I don't know what of what I asked was false and no one gave me an answer as to what they were thinking - so what the hell did I do wrong here? What did I miss read or misinterpret???

I'm just upset because I spent 7 hours working on the puzzle this morning. This is partially because I love puzzles a lot, and partially because it seemed important to the game. Regardless, I did it because I thought it was fun, and I wanted to help finish it. But then I went to work and come home, and I'm suddenly being accused of "distracting" and "trying to look helpful". It feels like all that work I did was just stupid and worthless. And llama brings up a point against me that you immediately grabbed onto. I don't mean to play the emotional card, but I am annoyed. It's not a ploy from me to look pro-detective, I just did it because I wanted to.

I'm back. Seems kind of funky that the same "Gosh darnit these puzzles are tricky" fellows are all "Gosh darnit, those puzzle solvers sure are suspect."

[AceofSpaces]

For the record, I'm of the opinion that the puzzle was both fun, and informative. I don't usually get involved in those ~ things, but I enjoyed contributing the odd word or two. I also think that high puzzle participation is less an indication of ones role, and more of a personal preference.

[Epignosis]

The game is not "Solve a puzzle." The game is lynch Kira. No you do not get credit for solving puzzles. No I am not going to celebrate you or throw a party.

[DharmaHelper]

Puzzles aren't scary. They're boring in context. And I think for those that are good at puzzles, a way of looking helpful.

and also this. I am personally really bad at those things so I avoid them - I've been trying to contribute to the conversation that's not decoding, because that's maybe how I can help. For as little help as I am.

I wouldn't be suprised if there was a Kira or sypathizer in the coders. It's an easy way to look helpful. What I would personally look for is who was silent and then suddenly contributing. Boo for example seems to have piped up in the coding when previously he was only about lynching llama....

@ DH - what about boo?

@ epi - IDK if you can - maybe let someone else see something in DH's posts? I get where you are coming from, but it doesn't seem to be productive - what do you think of boo?

linkie - epi - you couldn't have waited like 4 minutes for me to deal with my laggy computer and linki?

I haven't seen anything from boo to suggest he is bad.

[Marmot]

Yeah... that puzzle was a metic butt-ton of work. Y'all should be celebrating the puzzle solvers, not accusing them of trying to distract or seem helpful. That thing was a nightmare.

You were both instrumental and detrimental.

Linki: That's fine Epi, just buy me a drink and we'll call it square.

[Epignosis]

DH- boo isn't bad for fear-mongering on Day 0?

[bea]

that said - I'm WAY more interested in what russ being around and not posting or soon to post has to say.

He wanted a big talk with llama that never happened in the thread. I'm hecka curious about that. :nod:

linki- I think the smiley theorem can be similar to epi's adverb theorem - in the case of DP though, I think it's incorrect.

linki x2 - Civ DP is soo absent. He's much like this as a civ - going with the flow, trying to keep up. When he is a baddie - he tends to be slightly more involved. It's a bit like trying to read DF - but on an even more few posts scale. If he was bad, he'd be more invested - even with limited or no bts - the idea of a team would be more immediate to him than the typical civ team is. His posts would have more content - he'd be less swayed by the crowd. He'd be trying to stick up for something if he had an agenda. As few posts as he has made, he has no agenda and that reads civ to me.

[DharmaHelper]

that said - I'm WAY more interested in what russ being around and not posting or soon to post has to say.

He wanted a big talk with llama that never happened in the thread. I'm hecka curious about that. :nod:

linki- I think the smiley theorem can be similar to epi's adverb theorem - in the case of DP though, I think it's incorrect.

linki x2 - Civ DP is soo absent. He's much like this as a civ - going with the flow, trying to keep up. When he is a baddie - he tends to be slightly more involved. It's a bit like trying to read DF - but on an even more few posts scale. If he was bad, he'd be more invested - even with limited or no bts - the idea of a team would be more immediate to him than the typical civ team is. His posts would have more content - he'd be less swayed by the crowd. He'd be trying to stick up for something if he had an agenda. As few posts as he has made, he has no agenda and that reads civ to me.

But for real tell us how you really feel about DisPor

[DharmaHelper]

DH- boo isn't bad for fear-mongering on Day 0?

You think he was fear-mongering D0? I don't see it.

[Turnip Head]

I would have to disagree Bea. I've seen DP play a few games as a baddie, and in those games he rarely posted, and sometimes doesn't even vote. In one game where he was a baddie, Boo's Viral Video game, his only posts were the ones where he said who he was voting for. I don't think his participation level changes at all because of his alignment.

[DharmaHelper]

I would have to disagree Bea. I've seen DP play a few games as a baddie, and in those games he rarely posted, and sometimes doesn't even vote. In one game where he was a baddie, Boo's Viral Video game, his only posts were the ones where he said who he was voting for. I don't think his participation level changes at all because of his alignment.

Aye.

[Epignosis]

DH- boo isn't bad for fear-mongering on Day 0?

You think he was fear-mongering D0? I don't see it.

No, I don't think he was fear-mongering. I think you did.

[DharmaHelper]

DH- boo isn't bad for fear-mongering on Day 0?

You think he was fear-mongering D0? I don't see it.

No, I don't think he was fear-mongering. I think you did.

I'm not following? You think I thought boo was fear-mongering, or you think I was fear mongering?

Either way I still don't see it.

[Epignosis]

How many times will DharmaHelper have to fuck you over before you learn when he is a liar?

[Tangrowth]

@MP, Will we be told when the secret word has been found, Sock-Kira?

Yes!

[Epignosis]

Please lynch DharmaHelper. He is not a detective.

If I'm wrong, then lynch me.

[DharmaHelper]

10 minutes. Not bad. I'm gonna go watch some Youtubes. I wonder if Netflix will release House Of Cards at midnight.

[Tangrowth]

10 minutes. Not bad. I'm gonna go watch some Youtubes. I wonder if Netflix will release House Of Cards at midnight.

How is that show, by the way?

[Turnip Head]

@MP, Will we be told when the secret word has been found, Sock-Kira?

Yes!

potato chip

[bea]

how is what I said false? or are you just selectively quoting MM? I asked epi -and llama - if that early voting is a thing for someone besides snowman, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be balanced across the bard for roles rather than a tell for a whole team. The quote you quoted of mine was me specifically asking them - are you sure that's what's going on here? I don't know what of what I asked was false and no one gave me an answer as to what they were thinking - so what the hell did I do wrong here? What did I miss read or misinterpret???

I'm just upset because I spent 7 hours working on the puzzle this morning. This is partially because I love puzzles a lot, and partially because it seemed important to the game. Regardless, I did it because I thought it was fun, and I wanted to help finish it. But then I went to work and come home, and I'm suddenly being accused of "distracting" and "trying to look helpful". It feels like all that work I did was just stupid and worthless. And llama brings up a point against me that you immediately grabbed onto. I don't mean to play the emotional card, but I am annoyed. It's not a ploy from me to look pro-detective, I just did it because I wanted to.

I'm sorry for that - but I thought what I was trying to do was the exact opposite of what you were accusing me of doing.

I don't think the decoding was stupid and worthless as apparently it triggered secret things even the people who had those roles weren't told about happening.

AND I also think that people who are bad could easily look like they are being helpful while trying to decode. It was the topic of conversaion today - there's no denying that.

I don't think *you* are bad just for trying to decode or voting early. I don't know if you are bad or not - I was trying to say to those suggesting it - that it seemed unbalanced from a role perspective to make an entire team have those conditions - it would make more sense if those conditions existed to make someone from each team to have it.


How could I have phrased my intentions of what I was trying to say -specifically that I understood why llama suspected you and TH for your early votes, but that that feels like an unfair balance in the roles - other than how I said it? Because obviously I have severe communication issues - and this is troubling to me.

LIke for realz. You guys. I think maybe I should just swap out and let Golden play because obviously I can't communicate things.

[thellama73]

10 minutes. Not bad. I'm gonna go watch some Youtubes. I wonder if Netflix will release House Of Cards at midnight.

How is that show, by the way?

Amazing. For someone who lives in DC, it is one of the best.

[DharmaHelper]

10 minutes. Not bad. I'm gonna go watch some Youtubes. I wonder if Netflix will release House Of Cards at midnight.

How is that show, by the way?

I like it, its not everyone's cup of tea apparently. But I enjoy it. I feel like you would too actually.

[Tangrowth]

@MP, Will we be told when the secret word has been found, Sock-Kira?

Yes!

potato chip

This was a good guess, lol.

[Tangrowth]

Thanks, Llama and DH! Duly noted.

I've heard good things elsewhere as well, and I need a new show, so I might just start watching HoC next.

[Tangrowth]

@MP, Will we be told when the secret word has been found, Sock-Kira?

Yes!

potato chip

This was a good guess, lol.

I should clarify that this wasn't it though. :P

But it was in the ballpark of "in the show" and "relatively normal word/phrase" that fits perfectly for a secret word.

[DharmaHelper]

Finding this secret word should be a piece of cake!

[Matahari]

secret word:
allons-y
geronimo
tired
waffles
tommyrot

[Turnip Head]

LIke for realz. You guys. I think maybe I should just swap out and let Golden play because obviously I can't communicate things.

I've learned that 83% of mafia is being wildly misinterpreted Hang in there, bea.

[bea]

that said - I'm WAY more interested in what russ being around and not posting or soon to post has to say.

He wanted a big talk with llama that never happened in the thread. I'm hecka curious about that. :nod:

linki- I think the smiley theorem can be similar to epi's adverb theorem - in the case of DP though, I think it's incorrect.

linki x2 - Civ DP is soo absent. He's much like this as a civ - going with the flow, trying to keep up. When he is a baddie - he tends to be slightly more involved. It's a bit like trying to read DF - but on an even more few posts scale. If he was bad, he'd be more invested - even with limited or no bts - the idea of a team would be more immediate to him than the typical civ team is. His posts would have more content - he'd be less swayed by the crowd. He'd be trying to stick up for something if he had an agenda. As few posts as he has made, he has no agenda and that reads civ to me.

But for real tell us how you really feel about DisPor

Thanks for patting me on the hed and dismissing me again DH. It makes me truly feel like I'm contributing to the game and makes me feel like I'm a super awesome great player.

Please don't tell me to turn on my humor mechanism here. Because I'm the first one to make jokes about myself. It still doesn't mean I don't have something to contribute sometimes to the game.

[Marmot]

@ llama - thanks - I will look into it. I don't have the same feels you have about zombra - but I get why you have them. I think your hesitation is wise.

linkie - based on the fact that snowman triggered the vote -

Imma try ziltoid. and also kraftwerk and talking heads just cuz.

@ eloh - interesting - I suppose epi could be L - if kissing is the criteria I'm fail then at being able to confirm or deny.

llama - VERY good point - So we are sold then that MM and TH are also anti detective based on this and their early votes? I would think if the early vote thing was an issue for more than one person - MP would have balanced it across the board.... But - I TOTALLY get what you are saying re: MM and TH.

I spent most of today worrying about not talking about lynches - and thinking that it'd mean most likely that someone like made would get lynched on "we semi-discussed him nothing more to see here" late last second bandwaggon.

linki - eloh - what do you think about the game we are playing? do you have suspects? who? why? after the last game, I'm looking for your imput into things and I'm seeing little - that makes me a sad

I don't know bea. The way I read this you were very quick to accept what llama was saying as truth. At least that's what the emphasis on VERY and TOTALLY meant to me. Did I just miss the point?

And my previous statement wasn't just directed at you (though I did quote you), but people in general who were complaining about the puzzle-solvers.

[DharmaHelper]

that said - I'm WAY more interested in what russ being around and not posting or soon to post has to say.

He wanted a big talk with llama that never happened in the thread. I'm hecka curious about that. :nod:

linki- I think the smiley theorem can be similar to epi's adverb theorem - in the case of DP though, I think it's incorrect.

linki x2 - Civ DP is soo absent. He's much like this as a civ - going with the flow, trying to keep up. When he is a baddie - he tends to be slightly more involved. It's a bit like trying to read DF - but on an even more few posts scale. If he was bad, he'd be more invested - even with limited or no bts - the idea of a team would be more immediate to him than the typical civ team is. His posts would have more content - he'd be less swayed by the crowd. He'd be trying to stick up for something if he had an agenda. As few posts as he has made, he has no agenda and that reads civ to me.

But for real tell us how you really feel about DisPor

Thanks for patting me on the hed and dismissing me again DH. It makes me truly feel like I'm contributing to the game and makes me feel like I'm a super awesome great player.

Please don't tell me to turn on my humor mechanism here. Because I'm the first one to make jokes about myself. It still doesn't mean I don't have something to contribute sometimes to the game.

I don't think I was dismissing you or patting you on the head. If you felt that way, my fault. Was not my intention in the slightest, hopefully you realize that.

[bea]

secret word guesses:

bad - good - light - dark - apple - cookie - oranges (wot - they are always significant. ) -

linki- mm - that was not my intention - I'm sorry if it came off that way to you. I was trying to say that yes - I did understand why he felt that way, but again -if you read my post -you'll see I was cautioning him on thinking that sort of mechanic could only = a baddie. I think MP would have - if it served more than one person - spread it across the board. I sometimes try to emphesise words based on how I hear them in my head, and that gets lost in translation. I should keep inflection to myself I think?

linki - DH - ok - then how did you mean it? I believe that I may have misread it - how should I have read it?

[thellama73]

For what it's worth, I agree with you about DP, Bea. I used to always gun for him because of his absenteeism, but it seems like generally participates more as mafia than as civ.

[bea]

thanks llama

[DharmaHelper]

secret word guesses:

bad - good - light - dark - apple - cookie - oranges (wot - they are always significant. ) -

linki- mm - that was not my intention - I'm sorry if it came off that way to you. I was trying to say that yes - I did understand why he felt that way, but again -if you read my post -you'll see I was cautioning him on thinking that sort of mechanic could only = a baddie. I think MP would have - if it served more than one person - spread it across the board. I sometimes try to emphesise words based on how I hear them in my head, and that gets lost in translation. I should keep inflection to myself I think?

linki - DH - ok - then how did you mean it? I believe that I may have misread it - how should I have read it?

It was commentary on your defense of DP. Which came off more eager than I expected.

[Zombarella]

how is what I said false? or are you just selectively quoting MM? I asked epi -and llama - if that early voting is a thing for someone besides snowman, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be balanced across the bard for roles rather than a tell for a whole team. The quote you quoted of mine was me specifically asking them - are you sure that's what's going on here? I don't know what of what I asked was false and no one gave me an answer as to what they were thinking - so what the hell did I do wrong here? What did I miss read or misinterpret???

I'm just upset because I spent 7 hours working on the puzzle this morning. This is partially because I love puzzles a lot, and partially because it seemed important to the game. Regardless, I did it because I thought it was fun, and I wanted to help finish it. But then I went to work and come home, and I'm suddenly being accused of "distracting" and "trying to look helpful". It feels like all that work I did was just stupid and worthless. And llama brings up a point against me that you immediately grabbed onto. I don't mean to play the emotional card, but I am annoyed. It's not a ploy from me to look pro-detective, I just did it because I wanted to.

I'm back. Seems kind of funky that the same "Gosh darnit these puzzles are tricky" fellows are all "Gosh darnit, those puzzle solvers sure are suspect."

No kidding. Besides, how could you tell the difference between someone who is bad and "wants to look helpful" and someone who is good and "wants to look helpful"? Are detectives not allowed to look helpful in this game? I guess a civvie would say, "Ooh a puzzle, better not help because that would make me look bad because it makes me look good?" I hope that didn't happen. I really do.

Also, DP makes me mad. I don't care if this is his regular game. His regular game is stupid. Play or don't. If he chooses not to play, then I want to lynch him.

[DharmaHelper]

how is what I said false? or are you just selectively quoting MM? I asked epi -and llama - if that early voting is a thing for someone besides snowman, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be balanced across the bard for roles rather than a tell for a whole team. The quote you quoted of mine was me specifically asking them - are you sure that's what's going on here? I don't know what of what I asked was false and no one gave me an answer as to what they were thinking - so what the hell did I do wrong here? What did I miss read or misinterpret???

I'm just upset because I spent 7 hours working on the puzzle this morning. This is partially because I love puzzles a lot, and partially because it seemed important to the game. Regardless, I did it because I thought it was fun, and I wanted to help finish it. But then I went to work and come home, and I'm suddenly being accused of "distracting" and "trying to look helpful". It feels like all that work I did was just stupid and worthless. And llama brings up a point against me that you immediately grabbed onto. I don't mean to play the emotional card, but I am annoyed. It's not a ploy from me to look pro-detective, I just did it because I wanted to.

I'm back. Seems kind of funky that the same "Gosh darnit these puzzles are tricky" fellows are all "Gosh darnit, those puzzle solvers sure are suspect."

No kidding. Besides, how could you tell the difference between someone who is bad and "wants to look helpful" and someone who is good and "wants to look helpful"? Are detectives not allowed to look helpful in this game? I guess a civvie would say, "Ooh a puzzle, better not help because that would make me look bad because it makes me look good?" I hope that didn't happen. I really do.

Also, DP makes me mad. I don't care if this is his regular game. His regular game is stupid. Play or don't. If he chooses not to play, then I want to lynch him.

So, random question, not related to anything you might have just posted and that I am quoting. Now that Snowman has melted are you officially single?

[thellama73]

No kidding. Besides, how could you tell the difference between someone who is bad and "wants to look helpful" and someone who is good and "wants to look helpful"? Are detectives not allowed to look helpful in this game? I guess a civvie would say, "Ooh a puzzle, better not help because that would make me look bad because it makes me look good?" I hope that didn't happen. I really do.

Also, DP makes me mad. I don't care if this is his regular game. His regular game is stupid. Play or don't. If he chooses not to play, then I want to lynch him.

On a scale of one to ten, how much better off are the detectives for having spent all those pages on the puzzle?

Regarding DP, that's why we added the participation score. It will catch up to him.