The Syndicate

Again, define this gaping hole?

Linki: every host I have played with on this site aside from Epignosis allows for teammates' to send each other's night actions in, and even he used to.

So like I said, there could be two teammates who are not both active, and we wouldn't know it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Another question about Syndicate norms: When mafia issue a kill, is a specific killer supposed to be given to the mod by the team?

i.e., could Webber simply tell Dom: "[Phantom] kills Player X"?

It's possible, and it's possible it doesn't point to any single player. But with sig and G-Man dead earlier, I still believe that my logic holds even if that is true - it just means that either webber or the phantom is one of those three. Or to be more precise, that team could not have executed a kill on every odd night unless one of those three is on it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Again, define this gaping hole?

Linki: every host I have played with on this site aside from Epignosis allows for teammates' to send each other's night actions in, and even he used to.

So like I said, there could be two teammates who are not both active, and we wouldn't know it.

You are telling me that the norm on this site is that dead teammates could send in night actions for their inactive teammates?

I don't buy that for a second.

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Another question about Syndicate norms: When mafia issue a kill, is a specific killer supposed to be given to the mod by the team?

i.e., could Webber simply tell Dom: "[Phantom] kills Player X"?

It's possible, and it's possible it doesn't point to any single player. But with sig and G-Man dead earlier, I still believe that my logic holds even if that is true - it just means that either webber or the phantom is one of those three. Or to be more precise, that team could not have executed a kill on every odd night unless one of those three is on it.

This seems like sound thinking. It might be worth noting that DFaraday seems to have been around the whole game (unless I'm missing something). He's barely posted in recent memory, but those posts have been pretty evenly spread between the cycles. And if I'm choosing between splints and Marsh, I think I go Marsh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Another question about Syndicate norms: When mafia issue a kill, is a specific killer supposed to be given to the mod by the team?

i.e., could Webber simply tell Dom: "[Phantom] kills Player X"?

It's possible, and it's possible it doesn't point to any single player. But with sig and G-Man dead earlier, I still believe that my logic holds even if that is true - it just means that either webber or the phantom is one of those three. Or to be more precise, that team could not have executed a kill on every odd night unless one of those three is on it.

This seems like sound thinking. It might be worth noting that DFaraday seems to have been around the whole game (unless I'm missing something). He's barely posted in recent memory, but those posts have been pretty evenly spread between the cycles. And if I'm choosing between splints and Marsh, I think I go Marsh.

I was gone for four days, guys. Did nobody seriously notice that?

Anyway, I'll be *voting for Neverwhere*. I do think she's bad, and if she flips bad then I think either Splints or Ninja is likely to be her teammate based on the last lynch. MM's recent behavior does open him up as a possibility, but as I haven't examined him at all, I'll stick with Neverwhere.

Fell asleep and almost missed the poll.
voting Neverwhere
MM's has some interesting points on JJJ but I am not sure I buy it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I voted for Neverwhere. This thread is dead, maybe someone will care.

I care. I would like to lynch MM, but if the group feels Neverwhere is our best move, I am willing to go along. Quite frankly MM's actions continue to look like abaddie trying too hard to pull the puppet strings and I fail to see why no one else feels as strongly about him as I do. I don't really have any feelings about neverwhere so if those I believe to be civ have strong opinions about needing to lynch her I am willing to listen to that.

Spacedaisy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I voted for Neverwhere. This thread is dead, maybe someone will care.

I care. I would like to lynch MM, but if the group feels Neverwhere is our best move, I am willing to go along. Quite frankly MM's actions continue to look like abaddie trying too hard to pull the puppet strings and I fail to see why no one else feels as strongly about him as I do. I don't really have any feelings about neverwhere so if those I believe to be civ have strong opinions about needing to lynch her I am willing to listen to that.

There's some momentum against MM right now. Read the thread immediately after my post you just quoted.

If you want him lynched it can still happen.

fingersplints wrote:Fell asleep and almost missed the poll.
voting Neverwhere
MM's has some interesting points on JJJ but I am not sure I buy it.

Why Neverwhere?

What points of MM's did you find interesting, and why aren't you sure you buy it?

I voted early in part to make myself go to sleep. But here I am still. I hate this game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Fell asleep and almost missed the poll.
voting Neverwhere
MM's has some interesting points on JJJ but I am not sure I buy it.

Why Neverwhere?

What points of MM's did you find interesting, and why aren't you sure you buy it?

Agreed. This posts pings me something awful. If you are panicking about almost missing the poll that you still had over an hour to vote in, how come you had time to supposedly read through the points on MM enough to not buy them?

Or did you come in because you were being suspected again?

Linki - Oh, it never works like that, JJJ This game keeps me awake so many nights.

I have read it, I was just quoting and responding to you.

Golden, where do you think you are putting your vote?

Here is the thing, everything MM says and does comes across super premeditated to me. It looks like someone who has set things up in order to create these cases. I Just can't buy what he is selling, I can't. I don't feel confident Neverwhere is bad, but I feel very confident that we are seeing a bad MM performance here.

Golden, Sloonei, niju, Daisy, and Marsh are all votes still in the air that are likely to be dropped on someone. This lynch is not decided yet. Everyone keep making your cases. That includes you splints, I need to hear an explanation for that vote.

MM voted ages ago.

Spacedaisy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I voted for Neverwhere. This thread is dead, maybe someone will care.

I care. I would like to lynch MM, but if the group feels Neverwhere is our best move, I am willing to go along. Quite frankly MM's actions continue to look like abaddie trying too hard to pull the puppet strings and I fail to see why no one else feels as strongly about him as I do. I don't really have any feelings about neverwhere so if those I believe to be civ have strong opinions about needing to lynch her I am willing to listen to that.

Do you have long enough to hold out and see what sloonei does? He is silenced but I assume can still vote.

There is still ninja and SVS after that. We only have an hour. If we can wait and see what others think it will be ideal.

Otherwise I'll go along with neverwhere

nijuukyugou wrote:MM voted ages ago.

oh yeah, derp.

I guess that's how seriously I took that vote.

Spacedaisy wrote:I have read it, I was just quoting and responding to you.

Golden, where do you think you are putting your vote?

Here is the thing, everything MM says and does comes across super premeditated to me. It looks like someone who has set things up in order to create these cases. I Just can't buy what he is selling, I can't. I don't feel confident Neverwhere is bad, but I feel very confident that we are seeing a bad MM performance here.

I've been sitting on my MM suspicion for a couple of days. Couldn't do anything useful about it when silenced. I'd like to put it there, but Neverwhere is ok if it has to be.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Fell asleep and almost missed the poll.
voting Neverwhere
MM's has some interesting points on JJJ but I am not sure I buy it.

Why Neverwhere?

What points of MM's did you find interesting, and why aren't you sure you buy it?

I voted Neverwhere for the posts previously made about inactivity. She posted, and it doesn't seem we are supposed to be getting any more of an explanation. So no point in keep waiting around, I'd rather lynch her who I have been more suspicious of her then someone who was just introduced and I haven't gotten to investigate myself since I just woke up and will be immediately returning back to bed.

I think the points about you voting off after going after people pretty reasonable, but that could have civvie motives. I don't buy that you are suspicious for the Epi kill. It seems too obvious.

Golden wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I voted for Neverwhere. This thread is dead, maybe someone will care.

I care. I would like to lynch MM, but if the group feels Neverwhere is our best move, I am willing to go along. Quite frankly MM's actions continue to look like abaddie trying too hard to pull the puppet strings and I fail to see why no one else feels as strongly about him as I do. I don't really have any feelings about neverwhere so if those I believe to be civ have strong opinions about needing to lynch her I am willing to listen to that.

Do you have long enough to hold out and see what sloonei does? He is silenced but I assume can still vote.

There is still ninja and SVS after that. We only have an hour. If we can wait and see what others think it will be ideal.

Otherwise I'll go along with neverwhere

Yes I can wait, I close tomorrow so I can stay up tonight.

Golden wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I voted for Neverwhere. This thread is dead, maybe someone will care.

I care. I would like to lynch MM, but if the group feels Neverwhere is our best move, I am willing to go along. Quite frankly MM's actions continue to look like abaddie trying too hard to pull the puppet strings and I fail to see why no one else feels as strongly about him as I do. I don't really have any feelings about neverwhere so if those I believe to be civ have strong opinions about needing to lynch her I am willing to listen to that.

Do you have long enough to hold out and see what sloonei does? He is silenced but I assume can still vote.

There is still ninja and SVS after that. We only have an hour. If we can wait and see what others think it will be ideal.

Otherwise I'll go along with neverwhere

What concerns me is that just about everyone who is voting/has voted today has expressed being okay with a Neverwhere vote.

Golden wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I've been sitting on my MM suspicion for a couple of days. Couldn't do anything useful about it when silenced. I'd like to put it there, but Neverwhere is ok if it has to be.

It doesn't. There are enough votes left in the field that literally anyone can still be lynched.

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Fell asleep and almost missed the poll.
voting Neverwhere
MM's has some interesting points on JJJ but I am not sure I buy it.

Why Neverwhere?

What points of MM's did you find interesting, and why aren't you sure you buy it?

I voted Neverwhere for the posts previously made about inactivity. She posted, and it doesn't seem we are supposed to be getting any more of an explanation. So no point in keep waiting around, I'd rather lynch her who I have been more suspicious of her then someone who was just introduced and I haven't gotten to investigate myself since I just woke up and will be immediately returning back to bed.

I think the points about you voting off after going after people pretty reasonable, but that could have civvie motives. I don't buy that you are suspicious for the Epi kill. It seems too obvious.

Why are you more suspicious of Neverwhere though?

Anyone else that votes for Neverwhere had better want a Neverwhere lynch and be prepared to explain why.

nijuukyugou wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Fell asleep and almost missed the poll.
voting Neverwhere
MM's has some interesting points on JJJ but I am not sure I buy it.

Why Neverwhere?

What points of MM's did you find interesting, and why aren't you sure you buy it?

Agreed. This posts pings me something awful. If you are panicking about almost missing the poll that you still had over an hour to vote in, how come you had time to supposedly read through the points on MM enough to not buy them?

Or did you come in because you were being suspected again?

Linki - Oh, it never works like that, JJJ This game keeps me awake so many nights.

It doesn't take that long to read a post. It takes loads longer to click on all those links.

I came in because as I said I woke up and remembered I didn't vote. I'm not making up that it's 4 am and I want to go back to sleep. I never stopped being suspected so that one comment is pretty silly. What do you think someone called me and said "hey get up you have one vote! Quick! To the thread!"

Also JJJ never said it pinged him. Just asked why. Why are you putting words in his mouth?

Ninja, would you be on board with MM?

fingersplints wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Fell asleep and almost missed the poll.
voting Neverwhere
MM's has some interesting points on JJJ but I am not sure I buy it.

Why Neverwhere?

What points of MM's did you find interesting, and why aren't you sure you buy it?

Agreed. This posts pings me something awful. If you are panicking about almost missing the poll that you still had over an hour to vote in, how come you had time to supposedly read through the points on MM enough to not buy them?

Or did you come in because you were being suspected again?

Linki - Oh, it never works like that, JJJ This game keeps me awake so many nights.

It doesn't take that long to read a post. It takes loads longer to click on all those links.

I came in because as I said I woke up and remembered I didn't vote. I'm not making up that it's 4 am and I want to go back to sleep. I never stopped being suspected so that one comment is pretty silly. What do you think someone called me and said "hey get up you have one vote! Quick! To the thread!"

Also JJJ never said it pinged him. Just asked why. Why are you putting words in his mouth?

Oh no, I meant it pinged me, and I agreed with his "why Neverwhere?" comment. That was poorly worded, I admit.

Spacedaisy wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Fell asleep and almost missed the poll.
voting Neverwhere
MM's has some interesting points on JJJ but I am not sure I buy it.

Why Neverwhere?

What points of MM's did you find interesting, and why aren't you sure you buy it?

I voted Neverwhere for the posts previously made about inactivity. She posted, and it doesn't seem we are supposed to be getting any more of an explanation. So no point in keep waiting around, I'd rather lynch her who I have been more suspicious of her then someone who was just introduced and I haven't gotten to investigate myself since I just woke up and will be immediately returning back to bed.

I think the points about you voting off after going after people pretty reasonable, but that could have civvie motives. I don't buy that you are suspicious for the Epi kill. It seems too obvious.

Why are you more suspicious of Neverwhere though?

Because I think an inactive is on team Wildhorn, and I think her earlier posts are more suspicious then Devin and Gumshoe, and I think you are sounding alright the more you post.

Spacedaisy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I voted for Neverwhere. This thread is dead, maybe someone will care.

I care. I would like to lynch MM, but if the group feels Neverwhere is our best move, I am willing to go along. Quite frankly MM's actions continue to look like abaddie trying too hard to pull the puppet strings and I fail to see why no one else feels as strongly about him as I do. I don't really have any feelings about neverwhere so if those I believe to be civ have strong opinions about needing to lynch her I am willing to listen to that.

So you think coasting along, NO-Uing and following the course of actions of the rest of the group is going to cut it?

Jay did the math earlier. There are 13 players alive. There are possibly two baddies from Team Webber alive, two baddies from Team Wildhorn alive, and three independents alive. That would mean that 7 out of 13 (more than 50%) of the remaining players are not to be trusted.

So why do you think it is a good idea to be "willing to go along" and conform with the rest of the group, and consider me suspicious because I do not inherently trust said group members?

Also it stands to reason there could be one inactive Weber player as well. All the kills have seemed to been from the phantom from the wording of the posts. Where has Andrew Lloyd been at?

Golden wrote:Ninja, would you be on board with MM?

Yes, mostly because I'm concerned about everyone being "on board" with a Neverwhere lynch, including myself. I like your points about MM setting up JJJ and he's a slippery fish marmot semi-aquatic to aquatic animal. It's not as strong as my splints suspicion, but I'd feel better about it than Neverwhere in the wake of what's happened in the last hour.

To be honest I still feel good about my vote. I don't really see a townie in Neverwhere's post history. I think the case for Marsh is also a good one right now. With all the possible baddies remaining they might both be the right answer.

THIS IS SO STRESSFUL

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Jay did the math earlier. There are 13 players alive. There are possibly two baddies from Team Webber alive, two baddies from Team Wildhorn alive, and three independents alive. That would mean that 7 out of 13 (more than 50%) of the remaining players are not to be trusted.

That's absolute worst case scenario. It doesn't seem likely that none of the night kills has been non-town.

Why does nobody (except the slight possibility of fingersplints) consider that Jay could be bad?

I'm looking especially at you Golden. You say that you can be persuaded, but you are still looking at me and looking for the interest of others to vote for me.

I also refuse to be lynched without a proper case.

You especially Jay, you have reread every single player but me. I wouldn't expect it tonight of course, but at some point, yes.

@MM - yes, I can see the possibility that Jay is bad. I don't think he is, but he could be (eg Webber, jekyll, there are options there). I don't think he is the phantom.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I also refuse to be lynched without a proper case.

You especially Jay, you have reread every single player but me. I wouldn't expect it tonight of course, but at some point, yes.

My vote is already elsewhere, so I should be able to comply with this request at some point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Jay did the math earlier. There are 13 players alive. There are possibly two baddies from Team Webber alive, two baddies from Team Wildhorn alive, and three independents alive. That would mean that 7 out of 13 (more than 50%) of the remaining players are not to be trusted.

That's absolute worst case scenario. It doesn't seem likely that none of the night kills has been non-town.

I agree, but the collective "group" is not going to be composed of civilians.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Jay did the math earlier. There are 13 players alive. There are possibly two baddies from Team Webber alive, two baddies from Team Wildhorn alive, and three independents alive. That would mean that 7 out of 13 (more than 50%) of the remaining players are not to be trusted.

That's absolute worst case scenario. It doesn't seem likely that none of the night kills has been non-town.

Not only that, but it completely ignores the subsequent conversation we had about the nature of independents.

Yea I don't believe independent=bad. If their win condition allows it, an independent would be more likely to align with the civvies imp

IMO not imp lol

Golden wrote:@MM - yes, I can see the possibility that Jay is bad. I don't think he is, but he could be (eg Webber, jekyll, there are options there). I don't think he is the phantom.

I did not say that I think he is the Phantom. I said I think he controlled the chandelier.

Who do you think killed Epignosis?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:@MM - yes, I can see the possibility that Jay is bad. I don't think he is, but he could be (eg Webber, jekyll, there are options there). I don't think he is the phantom.

I did not say that I think he is the Phantom. I said I think he controlled the chandelier.

Who do you think killed Epignosis?

You

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:@MM - yes, I can see the possibility that Jay is bad. I don't think he is, but he could be (eg Webber, jekyll, there are options there). I don't think he is the phantom.

I did not say that I think he is the Phantom. I said I think he controlled the chandelier.

Who do you think killed Epignosis?

You

Ok, you should vote for me then. Why wait?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:@MM - yes, I can see the possibility that Jay is bad. I don't think he is, but he could be (eg Webber, jekyll, there are options there). I don't think he is the phantom.

I did not say that I think he is the Phantom. I said I think he controlled the chandelier.

Who do you think killed Epignosis?

What is the implication if I control the chandelier but am not the phantom?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:@MM - yes, I can see the possibility that Jay is bad. I don't think he is, but he could be (eg Webber, jekyll, there are options there). I don't think he is the phantom.

I did not say that I think he is the Phantom. I said I think he controlled the chandelier.

Who do you think killed Epignosis?

You

Ok, you should vote for me then. Why wait?

Don't want a tie.

Let's see it Golden, bring on the votes. Push the lynch. Send the train my way.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let's see it Golden, bring on the votes. Push the lynch. Send the train my way.

I'm not going to be bullied into a quick vote. I want to know what sloonei and SVS will do. A tie is not a good outcome.