Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[Long Con]

Objectivity... about what? Cylons? Let me put it as straight as I can, then: if you believe that I am aligned against your interests, then you are a Cylon.

Things like this:

not because there's any legitimate case that I'm a Cylon.

If you're not a baddie, then this is a flawed mindset you're putting out there and I recommend you reconsider your line of thinking. There is a legitimate case that you're a cylon or otherwise bad. It isn't a certainty, but the case is perfectly valid.

You're basically telling everyone who suspects you that they're either insincere about why or that they're bad. A lot of people suspect you. Too many for that mindset to apply. It's silly.

I agree, it is silly. I don't think most of the people that suspect me have a clear idea of why though. They just have a gut feel that I'm bad because I stole the Sortie, maybe because I didn't agree with you on nutella.

I think you are bad becasue you were clearly trying to get lynched on Night 2.

You will stay wrong about that for the rest of your life for all I care. That is your invention, not mine. I dare you to sig it.

You were trying, imo, to claim that role you referred to where the person with the second most votes would be lynched, for cred. If you actually WERE that role, you would not draw attention to yourself.

I was trying to figure out what your angle was then this Admiral Cain thing happens, and I just know it's you. I don't think you are a cylon. I think you are very bad rogue role.

Your instincts fail you.

[Long Con]

Long Con, if I am somehow seriously wrong here, then I need to see town in you and I don't. I don't like mislynching people but with every rebuttal you make, you look worse because you get defensive and turn it around on me. If I was a civ in your place, I'd probably get frustrated but I'd be able to show it because it's almost impossible for me not to when I'm town. I'm patiently waiting to see even a sign of this from you. I am pretty good at picking out town. It's how I play. I find town and PoE scum or I go after someone blatantly scummy due to their voting or behavior or associations with flipped scum. If I'm wrong, there's things you can do to show it. I don't think I should have to tell you what they are. Figure it out and I'll see if I believe you by watching you play.

You... don't think that I seem frustrated?

linki-You know too much about that stuff for me to be comfortable with you.

I don't have any clue what you're talking about.

[Polo]

Funny thing I found: Vompatti has never said "So Say We All" in this game.

[Matt]

So what's the deal?

If Cain has Admiral powers, does that mean she can end the day early now?

Cain is adamant about removing Cylons, so if anyone has a counter to Lorab, I suggest you get on it before halfway through the day phase.

Derp.

[S~V~S]

Objectivity... about what? Cylons? Let me put it as straight as I can, then: if you believe that I am aligned against your interests, then you are a Cylon.

Things like this:

not because there's any legitimate case that I'm a Cylon.

If you're not a baddie, then this is a flawed mindset you're putting out there and I recommend you reconsider your line of thinking. There is a legitimate case that you're a cylon or otherwise bad. It isn't a certainty, but the case is perfectly valid.

You're basically telling everyone who suspects you that they're either insincere about why or that they're bad. A lot of people suspect you. Too many for that mindset to apply. It's silly.

I agree, it is silly. I don't think most of the people that suspect me have a clear idea of why though. They just have a gut feel that I'm bad because I stole the Sortie, maybe because I didn't agree with you on nutella.

I think you are bad becasue you were clearly trying to get lynched on Night 2.

You will stay wrong about that for the rest of your life for all I care. That is your invention, not mine. I dare you to sig it.

You were trying, imo, to claim that role you referred to where the person with the second most votes would be lynched, for cred. If you actually WERE that role, you would not draw attention to yourself.

I was trying to figure out what your angle was then this Admiral Cain thing happens, and I just know it's you. I don't think you are a cylon. I think you are very bad rogue role.

Your instincts fail you.

I will be happy to sig it. Funny you said that, I always feel dorky asking people that because once after I offered to sig bet someone, you said sig bets were lame.

And I am fine with my instincts. You are so, so bad.

[ObscureAllure]

So what's the deal?

If Cain has Admiral powers, does that mean she can end the day early now?

Cain is adamant about removing Cylons, so if anyone has a counter to Lorab, I suggest you get on it before halfway through the day phase.

Derp.

Listen here, little fellers. The way I sees it we got two options. Option 1: LoRab has more guns pointed at her pretty little name, and Long Con standing behind her a few cow pies back OR Long Con with lots of rattle snakes in his boots and LoRab with a few little baby snakes on her back. Which'll it be, you mangy varments?!

[Matt]

I think we should push an Epi lynch. Get him at four votes, then he'll be forced to claim or die.

I figured, as a possible civilian, Epi would be happy to help us get rid of this ridiculous amnesty act, but he hasn't lead by example and it's frustrating tbh. I'm not even sure I believe he's Athena anymore.

[Ricochet]

Trying to do some read work until I go to bed or else it will be well nigh impossible for me to try to cover it tomorrow.

First, the rundown of Day Three voting:

-- four scattered votes --
LoRab takes 7-0
-- LoRab claims --
Nerolunar becomes CW, technically levels LoRab at 7-7; two other sideline votes mixed between these
LoRab technically goes 9-7
Nerolunar is technically tied with LoRab, 9-9

Second, a mix of reads on players' stances and vote position on Nutella lynch (Day Two) and LoRab/Nerolunar (Day Three). Once again, major points will be awarded either a minus (-), a plus (+) or a null (~).

a2thezebra

Day Two [2nd vote out of 26, sideline vote]

~ engages in rebuttal with nutella and finds it suspicious that she's picking on her playstyle; topic diverges into her [zebra] explaining her civ traits and her vote on me
- After SVS picked up their conversation, which actually aided her to create the suss angle on nutella, Zebra is reluctant to expand or be sold on the idea of her baddieness and would rather wait more and not vote her

Day Three [6th vote out of 25, 2nd vote on LoRab]

~ [Night Two] picks up LoRab's claim of not being in contact with nutella as heavy denial, plans to vote her
~ simple vote post, towards the later phase of the Day, with no prior mention of LoRab as her suspect
~ banter with LoRab, policy lynch
~ [Night Three] places LoRab bottom red in rainbow list, yet third lowest, after sig and Vompatti

I find evidence to be not concludent. That reluctancy to agree with lynching nutella is the only noteworthy ping, but even that was written at an early stage when nutella only had one vote and no wagons were formed either. If LoRab will prove bad Cylon, zebra's comment on her being in extreme denial about sharing BTSC with nutella will have proven spot on, but it doesn't eliminate doubt of zebra ever crafting a buss-like comment such as that. She conducted no further steps in hunting LoRab down during Day Three, but her vote is yet again too early to try to read into her intentions.

[Long Con]

Objectivity... about what? Cylons? Let me put it as straight as I can, then: if you believe that I am aligned against your interests, then you are a Cylon.

Things like this:

not because there's any legitimate case that I'm a Cylon.

If you're not a baddie, then this is a flawed mindset you're putting out there and I recommend you reconsider your line of thinking. There is a legitimate case that you're a cylon or otherwise bad. It isn't a certainty, but the case is perfectly valid.

You're basically telling everyone who suspects you that they're either insincere about why or that they're bad. A lot of people suspect you. Too many for that mindset to apply. It's silly.

I agree, it is silly. I don't think most of the people that suspect me have a clear idea of why though. They just have a gut feel that I'm bad because I stole the Sortie, maybe because I didn't agree with you on nutella.

I think you are bad becasue you were clearly trying to get lynched on Night 2.

You will stay wrong about that for the rest of your life for all I care. That is your invention, not mine. I dare you to sig it.

You were trying, imo, to claim that role you referred to where the person with the second most votes would be lynched, for cred. If you actually WERE that role, you would not draw attention to yourself.

I was trying to figure out what your angle was then this Admiral Cain thing happens, and I just know it's you. I don't think you are a cylon. I think you are very bad rogue role.

Your instincts fail you.

I will be happy to sig it. Funny you said that, I always feel dorky asking people that because once after I offered to sig bet someone, you said sig bets were lame.

And I am fine with my instincts. You are so, so bad.

Ok, as long as you're going into this with eyes open. And it's not a sig bet.

[Epignosis]

I think we should push an Epi lynch. Get him at four votes, then he'll be forced to claim or die.

I figured, as a possible civilian, Epi would be happy to help us get rid of this ridiculous amnesty act, but he hasn't lead by example and it's frustrating tbh. I'm not even sure I believe he's Athena anymore.

If I die, I die. Will I die? I don't know.

"Leading by example" doesn't mean following your scheme.

[Epignosis]

For those keeping score, that's Matt and sig who have both suggested burning a lynch to force me to do something that may prove ultimately unproductive.

[Ricochet]

So what's the deal?

If Cain has Admiral powers, does that mean she can end the day early now?

Cain is adamant about removing Cylons, so if anyone has a counter to Lorab, I suggest you get on it before halfway through the day phase.

Derp.

Why should we create a counter for LoRab? If Admiral Cain actually plans to jump the fleet, it will hurt precisely LoRab right now, which, if she's Cylon, it will be exactly what Admiral Cain's is "adamant about".

[Polo]

I think we should push an Epi lynch. Get him at four votes, then he'll be forced to claim or die.

I figured, as a possible civilian, Epi would be happy to help us get rid of this ridiculous amnesty act, but he hasn't lead by example and it's frustrating tbh. I'm not even sure I believe he's Athena anymore.

Do you think that Epignosis, whom we all know is Cylon as of the D1 lynch, would get amnesty if he claimed being Cylon?

[Ricochet]

Matt, who wants status quo to return to Adama, in which Epig if civilian might not need to die, is now pushing for an Epig death push, which would satisfy the new status quo, in which Epig needs to die regardless of being civilian or not.

What fraking hypocrisy is this?

Do you think that Epignosis, whom we all know is Cylon as of the D1 lynch, would get amnesty if he claimed being Cylon?

Uh, yes?

[Matt]

I think we should push an Epi lynch. Get him at four votes, then he'll be forced to claim or die.

I figured, as a possible civilian, Epi would be happy to help us get rid of this ridiculous amnesty act, but he hasn't lead by example and it's frustrating tbh. I'm not even sure I believe he's Athena anymore.

Do you think that Epignosis, whom we all know is Cylon as of the D1 lynch, would get amnesty if he claimed being Cylon?

Yes. The law states that anyone can claim Cylon, and if they are, they will get a reprieve for that day.

Knowing Epi is Cylon doesn't mean he's not allowed to claim it and grab that amnesty.

Epi - How do you feel about bad cylons having a lynch save at LYLO?

[Matt]

In fact, has anyone been able to answer that question? Pretty sure Rico didn't answer, just said "No I don't want that" and then continued to be against the very thing that can prevent this.

[Epignosis]

Epi - How do you feel about bad cylons having a lynch save at LYLO?

Ask whoever passed the law.

Cart before the horse, if you ask me.

[Long Con]

I think we should push an Epi lynch. Get him at four votes, then he'll be forced to claim or die.

I figured, as a possible civilian, Epi would be happy to help us get rid of this ridiculous amnesty act, but he hasn't lead by example and it's frustrating tbh. I'm not even sure I believe he's Athena anymore.

I don't think an Epi lynch is even close to the right way to go.

I have a few ideas I want to get out.

One, the Admiral can end the lynch early, so why not put a couple of votes on a person who won't claim, in the first 24 hours, and while they are ahead in votes, the Admiral can choose to end the lynch and give them the trial by fire. Then, we can go ahead with the lynch as normal, ending with a more regular lynch target (as opposed to one that exists only to test their refusal to say "I am a Cylon".) Does that make sense? I think that the idea that the Admiral could lynch them could work as a deterrent from sabotaging the plan.. as much as a regular lynch would.

Two, why don't we try being creative with the President's powers? If she can make MM invulnerable, then she should be able to do this. A certain group of people don't like Admiral Cain's alterations to their goals, so maybe the President can alter it slightly, like "The Civvie Cylon Act: any Cylon who has claimed amnesty may given a majority of the living players agree, be exempt from the goal of eliminating all Cylons".

I think that sounds pretty good. I think at least Epi would agree. And no, Matt, I don't think Epi is tricking us into thinking he's Athena.

If that law came into effect, then I would consider Epignosis' offer.

[ObscureAllure]

Because if they are a townie WE LOSE THE TOWNIE.

[Matt]

Because if they are a townie WE LOSE THE TOWNIE.

How do you feel about bad Cylons having a lynch save at LYLO?

[Long Con]

Because if they are a townie WE LOSE THE TOWNIE.

No human would avoid saying the phrase. I don't believe that some players somehow are not allowed to say it. Epignosis, do you believe that some humans are not allowed to say the phrase?

[Matt]

Because if they are a townie WE LOSE THE TOWNIE.

No human would avoid saying the phrase. I don't believe that some players somehow are not allowed to say it. Epignosis, do you believe that some humans are not allowed to say the phrase?

If you truly believe this, then do you find OA suspect for saying she doesn't want to say it for fear of being punished?

[Ricochet]

Bea

Day Two [15th vote out of 26, sideline vote, nutella was leading 5-3 vs Long Con]

Disclaimer: It is impossible and agonizing to search ISO for "LA" instead of "nutella". I know it's veterans' preference for nutella's nickname, but it's a fraking pain in the ass come ISO time.

~ claims to pay attention to her suss'ers, but needs more time to decide
~ interacts with nutella by asking her reads and her stance on SVS suspecting her
- comments, I believe, on this point made by SVS being truthful and potentially relevant, but still would prefer to wait
- votes LoRab, calling it a leap of faith; background for going with this option was where? apparently voted by following Black Rock's take on LoRab?

Day Three [20th vote out of 25, 6th vote on Nerolunar, LoRab long claimed and was likely now at "no votes"]

- goes with Nerolunar, in light of LoRab's amnesty claim
- [Day Four] claims Glorfindel is a null for her, just like Nerolunar was on Day Three

I find evidence to be highly unfavorable for bea. The biggest issue I have is that she just admitted to have voted a null read. A second big issue I would have is that she constantly claims to have "done what she could" after both these lynches. And what she did was not much: following BR, apparently, in a vote for LoRab, then, as I've said, adding a vote to a player she had no strong read on. To be honest, even the points I labelled as null can turn slightly bitter, would you evaluate how bad this makes bea look. Nutella reluctance can seem highly compatible with waiting in tension to see which way the Day Two lynch might have gone. Incidentally, found the Cylon Amnesty Law to be "good" -- which was then used up by LoRab to mess up the Day Three lynch.

[Epignosis]

Because if they are a townie WE LOSE THE TOWNIE.

No human would avoid saying the phrase. I don't believe that some players somehow are not allowed to say it. Epignosis, do you believe that some humans are not allowed to say the phrase?

I don't.

[Ricochet]

In fact, has anyone been able to answer that question? Pretty sure Rico didn't answer, just said "No I don't want that" and then continued to be against the very thing that can prevent this.

No I wasn't. Read again. Or perhaps answer my question on that matter, while you're at it.

[Long Con]

Because if they are a townie WE LOSE THE TOWNIE.

No human would avoid saying the phrase. I don't believe that some players somehow are not allowed to say it. Epignosis, do you believe that some humans are not allowed to say the phrase?

If you truly believe this, then do you find OA suspect for saying she doesn't want to say it for fear of being punished?

I want to hear from Epi before I decide that that's the case. Is this connected to the coercion that I'm supposedly responsible for? Who is chaos age?

Linki: I think that OA is lying about being punished for saying it. I'm not comfortable with a blanket "You're bad!" at each of the players who refuse to say it, but I'm also not opposed to picking one and lynching them, because they are how the Cylons are hiding.

Wait a sec: of the players who refuse to say it today.... do you refuse to say it tomorrow, and for the rest of the game?

Maybe this is a temporary issue.

[Matt]

In fact, has anyone been able to answer that question? Pretty sure Rico didn't answer, just said "No I don't want that" and then continued to be against the very thing that can prevent this.

No I wasn't. Read again. Or perhaps answer my question on that matter, while you're at it.

I've already answered, you just don't agree.

I believe by narrowing the list down further, we are pressuring players even more to claim, and eventually, all will claim or face imminent death.

You don't like it "cuz witch hunt", but that's the most effective way of going about this IMO. I'd rather witch hunt the shit out of players before facing a situation where it is impossible to destroy the bad guys as LYLO.

[Epignosis]

The way you're carrying on, you'll never make it to that point.

[Long Con]

In fact, has anyone been able to answer that question? Pretty sure Rico didn't answer, just said "No I don't want that" and then continued to be against the very thing that can prevent this.

No I wasn't. Read again. Or perhaps answer my question on that matter, while you're at it.

If you're Civ, then you trust you enough to know that you are not a Cylon. That's fine for you. I felt the same way, and yet I still said it because I understand the need for human teamwork on this.

People were calling for my head because I stole a Sortie, mostly on the grounds that I wasn't working with the team, how anti-Civ it was to do that, throw him in the brig. That teamwork exercise was like practice for this one.... this one really matters, and REALLY needs every non-bad player to get on board.

NO ONE will be able to manipulate anything IF everyone says it. Refusal to say it is THE ONLY way that manipulation can occur.

[Ricochet]

Black Rock

Day Two [24th vote out of 26, 8th vote on nutella, pushing her at 8-5 vs Long Con]

covered this phase on Day Three

+ ping on LoRab
+ read on LC not being bad
~ lean on nutella comes off as slightly unconvincing, by saying she would have rather waiting for a connection between LoRab and nutella to be confirmed
+ votes to save LC

I find evidence to be relatively favorable to BlackRock. While her vote momentum could potentially be a buss move, her content wouldn't reflect that. Particularly I find that she blocked all means to ever potentially vote Long Con as a counter-wagon, by resolutely disagreeing with his lynch. It doesn't give me an impression of a baddie who would keep his options open. Her slight hesitation to judge nutella on her own does give me a bit of a pause, though.

Day Three [22nd vote out of 25, 8th vote on LoRab, although LoRab had long claimed; Nerolunar had 7 votes by then]

~ justification for voting LoRab is that she doesn't think she is a good Cylon and wants to keep her technically in front

And that's pretty much it.

I don't find Day Three evidence to be inconsistent with her Day Two ping on LoRab, although I cannot say that I understand the justification of her vote. If LoRab was indeed under amnesty, hence every vote she took turning to ashes, Black Rock performed virtually nothing with her vote. Her lack of post and reasoning offers me no reassurance as to what she really intended. I could count this as a downgrade, since it could easily have been a wasted vote to take no stance in Nerolunar's counterwagon (on which she had made no comments all game). But I still don't think it's enough to switch her to a compatible teamie.

[Matt]

There is no Chaos Age.

Btw, you're right on the line between "laughing at Long Con's confusion" and "suspecting Long Con because he's acting too confused about this". Derp.

I'm almost considering voting Rico right now. I almost want him to say the magic phrase more then Epi.

[Ricochet]

In fact, has anyone been able to answer that question? Pretty sure Rico didn't answer, just said "No I don't want that" and then continued to be against the very thing that can prevent this.

No I wasn't. Read again. Or perhaps answer my question on that matter, while you're at it.

I've already answered, you just don't agree.

I believe by narrowing the list down further, we are pressuring players even more to claim, and eventually, all will claim or face imminent death.

You don't like it "cuz witch hunt", but that's the most effective way of going about this IMO. I'd rather witch hunt the shit out of players before facing a situation where it is impossible to destroy the bad guys as LYLO.

Or you could focus on hunting for baddies to prevent lylo, as per usual. The alternative you're admitting to support is paranoia fueled, not rational.

[Ricochet]

There is no Chaos Age.

Btw, you're right on the line between "laughing at Long Con's confusion" and "suspecting Long Con because he's acting too confused about this". Derp.

I'm almost considering voting Rico right now. I almost want him to say the magic phrase more then Epi.

I'm human, so I have no benefit from fakeclaiming, nor should I feel the pressure of having to.

Your vote would be literally proving my point on how this will turn into a witch hunt, if we don't get claims for each and every individual. Good job.

[Ricochet]

Matt has said it in writing that he would rather pressure a human who has no interest in fakeclaiming to fakeclaim than pressure a Cylon who has no interest in claiming to claim.

Logic juggling fail.

[Matt]

There is no Chaos Age.

Btw, you're right on the line between "laughing at Long Con's confusion" and "suspecting Long Con because he's acting too confused about this". Derp.

I'm almost considering voting Rico right now. I almost want him to say the magic phrase more then Epi.

I'm human, so I have no benefit from fakeclaiming, nor should I feel the pressure of having to.

Your vote would be literally proving my point on how this will turn into a witch hunt, if we don't get claims for each and every individual. Good job.

If you're human and/or civ, you should have no problem working with the town of which half of the players have already complied and just say it.

This goes for everyone.

Linki - I have no idea if you're human, Rico.

[Ricochet]

DFaraday

Day Two [23rd vote out of 26, 4th vote for zebra, nutella was leading 7-5]

- one single post about not feeling it for either Long Con and nutella

Day Three [10th vote out of 25, 6th vote for LoRab, LoRab had not claimed yet]

- one single post about finding it agreeable that LoRab was spotted as a potential Long Con counterwagoner for nutella

Ugh. DF is reaching borderline Bass levels of vexating scarcity of posts and reasons for his votes. But if trying to squeeze this rock a fair bit, this could look unfavorable for him. His zebra sideline vote is position at a critical point of nutella slipping to her doom. LoRab vote is out of nowhere and close to LoRab being forced to claim to save her skin. I am not liking anymore how little DF is doing and how hard he's making it to be found trustworthy. Critical Wag of Finger.

[Ricochet]

There is no Chaos Age.

Btw, you're right on the line between "laughing at Long Con's confusion" and "suspecting Long Con because he's acting too confused about this". Derp.

I'm almost considering voting Rico right now. I almost want him to say the magic phrase more then Epi.

I'm human, so I have no benefit from fakeclaiming, nor should I feel the pressure of having to.

Your vote would be literally proving my point on how this will turn into a witch hunt, if we don't get claims for each and every individual. Good job.

If you're human and/or civ, you should have no problem working with the town of which half of the players have already complied and just say it.

This goes for everyone.

Linki - I have no idea if you're human, Rico.

We need the other half, though. I'll abide when I see this close to fulfilment. Everyone or BUST!

You do know that Epig is Cylon, though.

[Marmot]

Because if they are a townie WE LOSE THE TOWNIE.

No human would avoid saying the phrase. I don't believe that some players somehow are not allowed to say it. Epignosis, do you believe that some humans are not allowed to say the phrase?

If you truly believe this, then do you find OA suspect for saying she doesn't want to say it for fear of being punished?

I want to hear from Epi before I decide that that's the case. Is this connected to the coercion that I'm supposedly responsible for? Who is chaos age?

Linki: I think that OA is lying about being punished for saying it. I'm not comfortable with a blanket "You're bad!" at each of the players who refuse to say it, but I'm also not opposed to picking one and lynching them, because they are how the Cylons are hiding.

Wait a sec: of the players who refuse to say it today.... do you refuse to say it tomorrow, and for the rest of the game?

Maybe this is a temporary issue.

I was the one who proposed we all say it, and I earned nightkill immunity, so

I don't think the two are related, but I do think OA's fears are misplaced.

[Long Con]

Ricochet, this is an example of why I am frustrated here. You respond to Matt on this issue and not me. Have you responded to anything I have said? MAybe you have and maybe not. I feel like this isn't the first time that I've put some time into communicating exactly what I'm trying to say in a post that's specially made for you, and you don't even acknowledge it.

[Ricochet]

Last one for tonight

DrumBeats

Day Two [25th vote out of 26, 9th vote on nutella, pushing her at 9-5 vs Long Con]

~ agrees with JJJ's case on nutella
+ votes nutella; doesn't find much in the LC angle anymore

Day Three [21st vote out of 25, 7th vote on Nerolunar, LoRab had long claimed, but had also gathered 7 votes]

~ argument about whether to push Nerolunar ahead of not
~ vote post with recap of his argument

I find evidence to be not indicative much, although I find Day Three evidence a tiny bit sketchier than Day Two. Nonetheless, I do not get a vibe of teammate stance towards nutella from his posts. They even got into a disagreement over scrabble logic and even that didn't give me the vibe of fabricated topic for the sake of the public. I'm struggling a bit to find the logic behind the argument he used in assessing the LoRab/Nerolunar situation, nevertheless I believe his strategy looks too spreaded of an analysis to be plausible as an intelligent or subtle baddie maneuver.

What do others think of DrumBeats?

Signing off, must get some sleep.

[Ricochet]

Ricochet, this is an example of why I am frustrated here. You respond to Matt on this issue and not me. Have you responded to anything I have said? MAybe you have and maybe not. I feel like this isn't the first time that I've put some time into communicating exactly what I'm trying to say in a post that's specially made for you, and you don't even acknowledge it.

Is there something specific I haven't answered or plainly the main issue? Sorry for giving you the impression I'm ignoring you on the latter, if so.

[DrWilgy]

I've spun out of control... All I know is that I don't trust OA.

[SokothQultuq]

So Say we all!

I cannot and will not claim something that I'm not! You can judge me all you want. I'm proud to stand up and say that I am a Human being! Only the gods can judge me! I've already said that I do not believe that all Cylons are bad and should be prosecuted for being such, but that's not my call. This is war. War is hell, and that was incredibly cliche. I will never argue that they should be held at arms length to find out what there true nature is. We've seen that they are not all out to kill us. We've even found out that one's been serving with us all this time and we didn't even know it. We've flown with them, worked next to them and didn't even know they was a Cylon. I would be willing to even go out on a limb and say that some of us may have even loved one at one point. Could you tell the difference? Not until they started trying to kill you I wager. So why should I stand up and make a false claim and say that I'm a Cylon? Hell maybe I am and I just don't know it yet! But until then, you cannot take my humanity from me and force me to make claims that I'm something I'm not. So no, I will not jump on this band wagon of people claiming they are Cylons.

However I will jump on this band wagon and vote LoRab as well.

Peace, Love, and Chicken Grease!

[Silverwolf]

Sokoth-I'm not trying to be rude, but is this how you always play mafia. Stay out of the action, come in with a post about the mechanics once in awhile, vote on the popular wagon-I can't blame you for this one this time-and then peace out?

How is anyone supposed to figure you out? Serious question.

[Silverwolf]

DFaraday

Day Two [23rd vote out of 26, 4th vote for zebra, nutella was leading 7-5]

- one single post about not feeling it for either Long Con and nutella

Day Three [10th vote out of 25, 6th vote for LoRab, LoRab had not claimed yet]

- one single post about finding it agreeable that LoRab was spotted as a potential Long Con counterwagoner for nutella

Ugh. DF is reaching borderline Bass levels of vexating scarcity of posts and reasons for his votes. But if trying to squeeze this rock a fair bit, this could look unfavorable for him. His zebra sideline vote is position at a critical point of nutella slipping to her doom. LoRab vote is out of nowhere and close to LoRab being forced to claim to save her skin. I am not liking anymore how little DF is doing and how hard he's making it to be found trustworthy. Critical Wag of Finger.

I'd be willing to lynch D'Faraday.

[Marmot]

Can we vote on a new admiral, or overthrow Cain?

[Spacedaisy]

Sokoth-I'm not trying to be rude, but is this how you always play mafia. Stay out of the action, come in with a post about the mechanics once in awhile, vote on the popular wagon-I can't blame you for this one this time-and then peace out?

How is anyone supposed to figure you out? Serious question.

It's his first game ever. And I think he may be over estimating the part role playing your assigned role has in the game judging by things he is saying.

[SokothQultuq]

Sokoth-I'm not trying to be rude, but is this how you always play mafia. Stay out of the action, come in with a post about the mechanics once in awhile, vote on the popular wagon-I can't blame you for this one this time-and then peace out?

How is anyone supposed to figure you out? Serious question.

I don't take it as a rude question. I'm still lurking about. This is my one band wagon or half a band wagon if you will. As far as my activity. I'm reading, learning, chiming in when I see something to chime in on. Gave some feelings on a few people. This is after all my first game. So you'll have to bare with me a bit here as I'm still getting the hang of this. My post was legit and to the heart of my character. Both my character for the game and my personal character.

As far as figuring me out. I'm not even sure how to express myself in a way to allow you to "Figure me out". Hell I can barely tell whats genuine with half of you let alone how to conduct myself. I could start throwing out a bunch of nonsense and conjecture (Which i've seen a lot of) which will essentially mirror other peoples positions but frankly I don't care to do just that. As I see things I will say something and thus far my previous comments are all that I still Have aside from agreeing with recent observations and points. I may not post much but I'm usually pretty good once I get the hang of things about posting with a frequency that my schedule allows, and with more original content rather than playing off other peoples points.

Now, if you have questions or would like to engage me in some form of conversation please by all means. I would be more than happy to provide you with answers time permitting of course.

Though I do think some people made some fair observations on LoRab, and at the moment I don't feel I have the time to go back and analyze every post but I do not feel bad about jumping in on this vote. At the time I was called away for dinner, and thought I would have a previous engagement which I'm sad to say was canceled. So here I am again.

Thank you for asking, and I hope I answered your concerns. 8-)

[SokothQultuq]

Sokoth-I'm not trying to be rude, but is this how you always play mafia. Stay out of the action, come in with a post about the mechanics once in awhile, vote on the popular wagon-I can't blame you for this one this time-and then peace out?

How is anyone supposed to figure you out? Serious question.

It's his first game ever. And I think he may be over estimating the part role playing your assigned role has in the game judging by things he is saying.

In part yes, but this is also part of my own real character too. I do not generally just band wagon jump. Occasionally yes. I also stick to my convictions until I am otherwise proven in error or see error where I have thought I was right to follow. I have a deep sense of honor.

If you want role play I can really pull the character out as I am familiar with the show enough that I do believe I could make it work really well. LOL

[Spacedaisy]

Sokoth-I'm not trying to be rude, but is this how you always play mafia. Stay out of the action, come in with a post about the mechanics once in awhile, vote on the popular wagon-I can't blame you for this one this time-and then peace out?

How is anyone supposed to figure you out? Serious question.

It's his first game ever. And I think he may be over estimating the part role playing your assigned role has in the game judging by things he is saying.

In part yes, but this is also part of my own real character too. I do not generally just band wagon jump. Occasionally yes. I also stick to my convictions until I am otherwise proven in error or see error where I have thought I was right to follow. I have a deep sense of honor.

If you want role play I can really pull the character out as I am familiar with the show enough that I do believe I could make it work really well. LOL

LOL, I'm sure you could, but not sure how wise it would be. Giving away your role is considered poor form and frequently results in a mod kill...