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Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:27 pm**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:24 pm so you think syn basically zack?

where to after that?

ye, vulgard/dya/syn has been my main since since earlyish(?) d3, and later it was also sunbae's main solve in his flow chart

probably arete and then go from there. wolves need 4 misyeets to win right? we should win barring something crazy/terrible

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:28 pm**

where you at on c4, visor

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:31 pm**

if c4s a wolf hes just engaged the bus on dya and done nothing otherwise which is theoretically possible, if a bit assholeish

i dont know how he treats wolfbros but its a tossup between - just pushed dya a lot so clear or bussed dya cause they got a lot of heat

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:32 pm**

you got an ordered list of villagers?

basically everyones villa list should have 5 players including themselves, we have 3 mislynches and lose on the 4th

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:32 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:49 pm man he was really hedgy on you zack. he clearly wanted you as a mis-elim

like cmon, this was such an obvious pocket attempt, who talks to their wolfbro like this

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:35 pm**

i dont think nutella makes the posts she did yday when she knows dya is always dying and flipping wolf fwiw

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:36 pm**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:32 pm you got an ordered list of villagers?

basically everyones villa list should have 5 players including themselves, we have 3 mislynches and lose on the 4th

bronana

==== very unlikely to touch before f3, in which case bronana gets misyeeted anyway ====

marl
nutella
spf

==== seems unlikely, but perhaps; will have to put on big boy pants if game is still ongoing here ====

c4
dizzy
outed wolf

==== immediate poe ====

arete

syn

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:42 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:55 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:47 pm it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me
this is the post, I could have read into the wording wrong but it sounds kinda like implying they are town
I finally randed town in a game with them in it

it's not implying they're town

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Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:42 pm**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:24 pm so you think syn basically zack?

where to after that?

chuck e cheese

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:43 pm**

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:42 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:24 pm so you think syn basically zack?

where to after that?
chuck e cheese

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:50 pm**

dya made a few posts yesterday about supposedly believing syn is ~always a wolf but always found a way to push c4 over him

i'll be honest it's hard for me to give a shit about solving in this gamestate

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:52 pm**

yeah plus syn's posts lmao i think it's just over

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:55 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:50 pm dya made a few posts yesterday about supposedly believing syn is ~always a wolf but always found a way to push c4 over him

i'll be honest it's hard for me to give a shit about solving in this gamestate

ye ive learnt my lessons from yesterday lmao

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:00 pm**

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:40 pm**

hope you're all ready to be disappointed by my inevitable green flip

best get to thinking what you'll do D6

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:42 pm**

well, who do you think the wolf is

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:43 pm**

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:43 pm**

also why would my opinion even matter here

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:43 pm**

"yeah plus syn's posts lmao"

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:43 pm**

ride-or-die shielded a wolf

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:44 pm**

who I think is a wolf is irrelevant

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:44 pm**

it amtters cause if you are a villager you have a good perspective on how ppl are pushing you

(also im not a wolf so get id appreciate a different answer)

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:45 pm**

yes you are very likely to die, but its still possible you have insight onto who it could be which may be important later on in the game

it might not be, but still

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:35 am**

Arete, when was the last time you randed wolf

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:42 am**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:35 am Arete, when was the last time you randed wolf

last wolfgame was a UPick on ToL in April, https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/return ... uess/87351

technically I subbed into that one mid-D1, I'm pretty sure that when you say 'randed' it's not actually important that I be there at rand but if you want to look at my openers or something the last time I was in game at rand was December/January, M16 on the Chief Delphi-in-exile corner of M451, https://forum.mafia451.com/t/m16-game-thread/4652

to Iso on Discourse, click on my PFP, then click where it says "[some number] posts in topic"

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:02 am**

[VOTE: arete] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:06 am**

[VOTE: arete] aubergine

:sparta:

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:08 am**

[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:08 am**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:02 am [VOTE: arete] aubergine

hi

mildly curious whether this is related at all to the question you just asked about my meta

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:12 am**

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:08 am[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

ok this one I'm going to need an actual explanation for, it doesn't really feel consistent with what you've been saying for the rest of the day

kind of feels like you're pushing me specifically because I'm a viable alternative to you

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:25 am**

Arete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:12 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:08 am[VOTE: Arete] aubergine
ok this one I'm going to need an actual explanation for, it doesn't really feel consistent with what you've been saying for the rest of the day

kind of feels like you're pushing me specifically because I'm a viable alternative to you

well yeah

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:25 am**

im reading through isos to see how ppl treated the dead flipped wolves

d1 you dont say a word about dya
d2 you finally give one question to dya about something c4 said which is then enough to vote dya apparently (you do go on a bit more but then you end up townreading them)

it seems to me that except one line about kza, and a light fairy dust of touching on dya d2 you've basically not gone anywhere provillage

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:26 am**

i mean you did vote dya which is something, but it doesnt feel like any sort of actual commitment behind the vote

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:26 am**

mm spicy

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:28 am**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:25 am d2 you finally give one question to dya about something c4 said which is then enough to vote dya apparently (you do go on a bit more but then you end up townreading them)

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:26 am i mean you did vote dya which is something, but it doesnt feel like any sort of actual commitment behind the vote

that's because I didn't really have particularly strong feelings that Dya was a wolf

I just thought Alison had been villagerier

that kind of faded towards EoD when I realized that she was just going to continue not doing anything but my vote on Dya was way more about Alison than about Dya

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:29 am**

ya i mean you didnt have any strong feelings about dya at all

literally the only time you seriously mention dya is when you directly ask them a question mid d2

you dont talk about them to other players outside of maybe one post late d2

they dont enter your posts

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:32 am**

I mean if I were going to vote Dya as W/W I would talk about them

voting them and not talking about them would just be stupid, it's like all the bad parts of bussing (getting your partners killed) minus the part where it benefits you in any way

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:32 am**

i agree it is not great bussing

it is however bussing that is pretty common

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:33 am**

i am becoming convinced to spend some time looking into arete this phase

i mostly thought their reaction to the vulgard stuff was real but in retrospect it could all be fakeable, and their prior fairly narrow focus (not talking much about ppl other than vulgard) is concerning, and i had a couple other issues with them early in the game (didn't like their d1 tangy push for one thing)

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:34 am**

the point is more that you basically didnt do anything antiwolf

the vulgard stuff, you had a one liner about kza (this doesnt really count for/against tbf), and the dya stuff where you basically ignore the slot outside of 2 questions

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:34 am**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:32 am i agree it is not great bussing

it is however bussing that is pretty common

I literally do not think I have ever done that

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:35 am**

nutella just look into arete yourself instead of jumping onto whatever sounds remotely convincing :P

you gotta stop being a weathervane :P

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:36 am**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:35 am nutella just look into arete yourself instead of jumping onto whatever sounds remotely convincing :P

you gotta stop being a weathervane :P

look i dont come up with original thoughts ok

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:36 am**

i have to weigh up two things here

how much do i think arete is going to be pro wolf as a wolf here

how do i think arete is going to treat his wolfbros

now i have never seen you wolf so dont have any idea of your wolfgame, which makes this somewhat difficult for me.

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:37 am**

@Marluxion can you talk about aretes wolfgame when you get a chance

how does he normally treat wolfbros, does he like to bus? is he likely to ignore wolfbros until absolutely necessary?

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:43 am**

dya seemed not interested in going after arete, or in talking about them at all really - for whatever that's worth

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:49 am**

they have a small argument mid d2 that seems to have been a miscommunication thats about it

shocked that neither mentions the other d1 lol

just wild

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:55 am**

i guess i think the way c4 treated dya is probably not w/w unless they really wanted to sell the bus? idk

thoughts?

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:57 am**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:38 pm I hear what you guys are saying about Alison antispewing, and I get it, but also she's town.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:06 pm I would like everyone who can to tell me why they are so confident there is a wolf in this pair, other than "this has to be resolved." I'm not saying it's not a valid argument (especially now that the vig is dead) but I want to hear something other than that.
There's a wolf in the pair because dya's a wolf. It's really not that deep.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:18 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:15 am Why are you preflipping Dya as a wolf?
I... think they're a wolf

But I don't need to think they're a wolf to say something that looks like a save attempt looks like a save attempt.

these dont really seem aligned maybe? unless c4s plan is just to bus to glory

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:00 am**

I quickly glanced at aretes d3 again and it's so weird and nonsensical and arrogant and dismissive

I just fail to comprehend it

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