The Syndicate

keys56000000000 wrote:To be honest, I don't suspect Roxy much at all. I just feel very stronly that Chris is a civ, don't want to see another civ get lynched, and don't really have an alternative.

I don't there's any way to save Chris. Looks like the lynchtrain is at full speed, heh. Frustrated. Good for you guys. I think I'm going to shoot from the hip and vote DFaraday.

Snow Dog wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:To be honest, I don't suspect Roxy much at all. I just feel very stronly that Chris is a civ, don't want to see another civ get lynched, and don't really have an alternative.

I don't there's any way to save Chris. Looks like the lynchtrain is at full speed, heh. Frustrated. Good for you guys. I think I'm going to shoot from the hip and vote DFaraday.

Well that's odd. Chris is civ so you don't care if another possible civ gets lynched?

keys56000000000 wrote:Y'know what, screw it, I too am voting Chris! Wooo! Let's ride this lynchtrain straight into the station at full speed woot yeaaah!

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:To be honest, I don't suspect Roxy much at all. I just feel very stronly that Chris is a civ, don't want to see another civ get lynched, and don't really have an alternative.

I don't there's any way to save Chris. Looks like the lynchtrain is at full speed, heh. Frustrated. Good for you guys. I think I'm going to shoot from the hip and vote DFaraday.

Well that's odd. Chris is civ so you don't care if another possible civ gets lynched?

I don't know if Rox is civ. I feel I know Chris is civ. Better odds, pun not intended.

keys56000000000 wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:To be honest, I don't suspect Roxy much at all. I just feel very stronly that Chris is a civ, don't want to see another civ get lynched, and don't really have an alternative.

I don't there's any way to save Chris. Looks like the lynchtrain is at full speed, heh. Frustrated. Good for you guys. I think I'm going to shoot from the hip and vote DFaraday.

Well that's odd. Chris is civ so you don't care if another possible civ gets lynched?

I don't know if Rox is civ. I feel I know Chris is civ. Better odds, pun not intended.

And you know what, why are you even asking me that? I said in the same post that I was voting DFaraday! And how am I supposed to know who is civilian and who is mafia? I just have a good feeling about Chris. Isn't it wiser to avoid voting for the person you have a good feeling about? Y'know, if you want to win the game, as a civ?

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here.

Chris wrote:SVS, are you not reading my posts?

You are basing your vote on me on whether you think I'd take a role or not.

How about suspect me for something that happened in the game. (Not to mention I resent the fact that you insinuate that I'd turn down replacing into a game because of a role. I've never done that. Not once.)

I am either Sarah or Jack. In fact, before all of this, before I was ever targeted, I semi role hinted. If you look through my posts, you'll find it.

I hate that I had to do that, but I ALWAYS die when a civ. I've never once won as civ. I'm going down fighting.

Snow Dog wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:To be honest, I don't suspect Roxy much at all. I just feel very stronly that Chris is a civ, don't want to see another civ get lynched, and don't really have an alternative.

I don't there's any way to save Chris. Looks like the lynchtrain is at full speed, heh. Frustrated. Good for you guys. I think I'm going to shoot from the hip and vote DFaraday.

Well that's odd. Chris is civ so you don't care if another possible civ gets lynched?

I don't know if Rox is civ. I feel I know Chris is civ. Better odds, pun not intended.

And you know what, why are you even asking me that? I said in the same post that I was voting DFaraday! And how am I supposed to know who is civilian and who is mafia? I just have a good feeling about Chris. Isn't it wiser to avoid voting for the person you have a good feeling about? Y'know, if you want to win the game, as a civ?

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here.

Sorry didn't read that you changed your vote. What is your case on DF?

nijuukyugou wrote:And really, he DOES seem to be suspecting those coming after them as they're coming after them (the one that really caught my eye was SVS...RIGHT AFTER she made a post about him).

Chris wrote:Jesus keys, don't vote for me.

I don't want to quit. There are so many players who just aren't even playing. Why take out an actual participating player? Is that what this game has come to? Participators are killed, and non posters live?

That's not a fun game. I want to live and hunt baddies. That's a fun game.

Long Con wrote:That's very good to know, Mr Host, thank you.

Also, I just realized that the Cyber Head only gets extra votes in the next lynch. So to catch the Cyber Head altering the MetalMarsh lynch, they would have had to randomly have found the Body in the night immediately preceding the lynch. Lordy.

DFaraday wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Chris wrote:BR, why do you suppose I'm getting more suspicion than you or Elo got? Even MP, who survived a NK, suspects me because I survived a NK. How much sense does that make?

Sorry I am still recovering from your latest defense, "dont lynch me because i will die, but if i am the Master why bother?"

I just finished reading through some loooong posts, but to start its not that you survived an NK, its that you survived 2 NKs. Big difference. If you had just survived a strax kill no biggie, you'd probably be civ, but the cybers tried to kill you on the same night? They have a live role checker on their team and if they learned you were the master, they would know just leading your lynch wouldnt be enough. I dont think the argument you are the Cyber controller works, because um, why would you target yourself, but the Master is a real possibility. I am willing to consider civ options, but its a really hard position to defend from i know.

In response to the bolded, it would not be unheard of for a team to "target" a member of their team, knowing full well that that person will survive, so I wouldn't write off Chris as a Cyberman just yet.

Speaking of, I want to point out that Sarah Jane's role says she can survive "alien" attacks. The Cybermen are not aliens, so I wonder whether Sarah can survive being targeted by them. If not, that just makes Chris look even shadier.

Hedgeowl wrote:Hosts - what is the definition of alien you are using in the context of Sarah Jane.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:To be honest, I don't suspect Roxy much at all. I just feel very stronly that Chris is a civ, don't want to see another civ get lynched, and don't really have an alternative.

I don't there's any way to save Chris. Looks like the lynchtrain is at full speed, heh. Frustrated. Good for you guys. I think I'm going to shoot from the hip and vote DFaraday.

Well that's odd. Chris is civ so you don't care if another possible civ gets lynched?

I don't know if Rox is civ. I feel I know Chris is civ. Better odds, pun not intended.

And you know what, why are you even asking me that? I said in the same post that I was voting DFaraday! And how am I supposed to know who is civilian and who is mafia? I just have a good feeling about Chris. Isn't it wiser to avoid voting for the person you have a good feeling about? Y'know, if you want to win the game, as a civ?

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here.

Sorry didn't read that you changed your vote. What is your case on DF?

I don't have a case. As I said, just shooting from the hip. Maybe it's a subconscious thing, I don't know. I'm just trying to be a good civilian here.

At the very least, whether he's lynched or not, Chris and potentially other civvies have been compromised now, and will have targets on their backs. The game is looking bad for the civvie side whatever happens now. This is the difference between shooting ourselves in the food and in the leg. It's already bad. Let's not make it worse.

Chris wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:If I'm still alive to see tomorrow then I'll be strongly considering an MP vote, yeah

What do you make of his survived kill attempt? If he's bad, and not a Cyberman, that would make him either a Dalek or an indy/secret role. The Daleks are also the team that killed you the first time around. Do you think MP would have actually done that?

Huge WIFOM territory, but at least I think he'd be smarter than that. It's not because of this, I just don't think MP is bad in this game.

I was considering this question... and I remembered this:

The Cyber Controller: A ruler over lesser Cybermen. Can direct them to carry out the objectives of the Cybermen (to "upgrade" the lesser beings into Cybermen, thereby rendering them absent of emotion). You team selects which member will carry out the kill on even nights. *Secrets* You cannot be nightkilled until every other member on your team is dead.

Of course, when I asked the hosts if a player would survive a self target, they said no. But this role WOULD.

It's looking to me that MP is The Cyber Controller, and the only way to kill him would be by lynch.

S~V~S wrote:I am still most suspicious of Epi, and of him being on the cyber team. I need to reread his posts as re Chris to see how sure he is about Chris' role.

As for Chris, I think the Master is a possibility for him. My experience of Indy Chris is that he plays it as a civ, in that he does not get that evil mastermind thing going in thread quite as much. I also have to say, based on my experience hosting him, that I think he has a pretty awesome role. He asks about that before replacing in, and the "quality* of the role matters to him. Plus he has been really active, if he had a role that HE perceived as sucking, I don't think he would be as invested.

If he is the Master, and he had BTS with MM, he did not have it for long, IMO. He has not been acting like BTS Chris. That said, he could have changed up his game. The possibly outing a civ is troubling, although to be fair, Chris is always fairly manic about stuff like that, "Was it a tie", etc., and it is possible that he wasn't thinking when he asked that question, BUT as LC says, he was warned.

Odds are good I am going to vote Epi again, there is more than one baddie, but I totally can see Chris as the Master. And yes, I can see Reywas replacing out of the Master. He has been disinterested and uninvolved recently, replacing out of many games, or just low posting. He has RL, and Mafia is not his priority at this time. Now, CHRIS might not replace out of the Master, but Rey would, I think.

Chris wrote:LINKI @ SVS: See, now that's something I can see someone accusing me of. I'm not The Master of course, but I can see how you can think so. I didn't vote for MM. I went for Epig without much reason other than I was tired of hearing about the lie detector shit, and he was acting differently enough for me to vote him just to end it. It wasn't a great reason, but I also didn't care who was lynched between the two of them.

Looking back at who The Master targeted, I don't have much to say in defense, since I can't say I did much in regards to them. The Master targeted Rico, and I was for a Rico lynch... so there's not much else there. The problem with being accused of being the indy role is it's tough to defend against. Especially when SVS puts it the way she did.

But I'm not The Master.

Chris wrote:SVS, did you miss the part where I said I was trying to get into the game before it even started?

Why would I review a role and decide whether or not I wanted it? I wanted it. They needed a replacement for rey, I took it.

You have an incorrect assumption on how I would approach a game.

Also, you seem rather fippant about wanting to lynch a civ...

S~V~S wrote:So you think Roxy is bad?

Snow Dog wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So you think Roxy is bad?

i do. And i am beginning to have doubts about Chris despite keys making me wan t to vote for him.

Chris wrote:How is it that Epig got HALF the votes yesterday, and today he's not even an afterthought?

keys56000000000 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So you think Roxy is bad?

i do. And i am beginning to have doubts about Chris despite keys making me wan t to vote for him.

Please help me make sense of that. I'm defending the man, very reasonably I feel. What am I saying that makes you want to vote for him even more? Why not just cut out the middle man and vote for me, if that's the way you play this game?

Epignosis wrote:

Chris wrote:How is it that Epig got HALF the votes yesterday, and today he's not even an afterthought?

I didn't get half the votes. You should know that much.

S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

Chris wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

I posted this day night 6.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 543#p90543

S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

Chris wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

I posted this day 6.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 543#p90543



As for Roxy, I have to wonder how she knew Rico was bad. She seems to know Made was bad too, whom we all suspect was also a Dalek. She voted Made with a very made up reason. She accused the hell outta Epig as being the role checker... maybe she's the role checker. How else did she pinpoint to Dalek players? And she's barely been involved. Involved enough to paint them, but not much else.

That's why I can vote for her without worry. I think there's a chance she's a baddie.

Chris wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

I posted this day 6.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 543#p90543



As for Roxy, I have to wonder how she knew Rico was bad. She seems to know Made was bad too, whom we all suspect was also a Dalek. She voted Made with a very made up reason. She accused the hell outta Epig as being the role checker... maybe she's the role checker. How else did she pinpoint to Dalek players? And she's barely been involved. Involved enough to paint them, but not much else.

That's why I can vote for her without worry. I think there's a chance she's a baddie.

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

I'm not completely convinced on the Roxy vote either. I somewhat suspect her for her Non-LD statement that she claimed was solid. Not completely though. Do you have any better ideas for me to look at? I respect your opinion here.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:DFaraday, Hedge's post actually reminded me about something I meant to comment on earlier.


Can you explain the following:

In this post, you said you didn't see anything about Made that caused suspicion. You said nothing about Made seemed baddie.

What changed when you made this post? You didn't make any posts about Made in the interim. I'm confused as to how you got to that thought.

The bandwagon that led to Snow Dog 1.0's death read to me like a save attempt, and I still wonder whether it was. That was the biggest thing which sent me in Made's direction (then his inconsistent behavior and self vote just dug him deeper in my view).

Hedge, I don't have any real grounds for believing that they are teammates, but I did (and do) feel pretty confident that Made was bad, and I was wary of Enrqiue. I had a thought that the shenanigans yesterday might have been some kind of a ploy between the two of them to ensure Made's survival, and thus thought the teammates idea had some merit. The more I think about it, the less Enrique's NK survival makes sense in that scenario, though.

Before anyone says anything about it: Yes, I'm changing my view on something. Because I thought about it further and didn't come to the same conclusion as I did before.

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

I'm not completely convinced on the Roxy vote either. I somewhat suspect her for her Non-LD statement that she claimed was solid. Not completely though. Do you have any better ideas for me to look at? I respect your opinion here.

You did mention her previously; no did Snowy~ I am not understanding Ninjas vote mostly, I guess. I also know she has a really good reason not to be here defending, and people are lynching her anyhow. But that is my personal feelings talking. She does not "feel" bad to me, and i think i read her pretty well, she has this sinister thing going on when shes bad, that i just don't see here.

I suspect Epi, as i have, and i suspect Chris. I guess my thoughts on Chris have a lot to do with LC~ he feels civ to me, and I think he is a pretty astute civ. What are your thoughts on LC?

Linki~ O...K.... you know, I noticed that when you posted it, but forgot it. I had to go back and look at a role to check.

OK, Chris. I will buy what you are selling. But I am gonna vote for Epi, not Roxy. I HATE lynching people who can't defend. I got lynched once on the day of a good friends funeral, coming home to that was like the rancid cherry on top of the poisoned ice cream sundae that was my day that day.

Elohcin wrote:I voted for Roxy. Sorry I didn't contribute anything today.

Black Rock wrote:*glares at Chris*

S~V~S wrote:I guess my thoughts on Chris have a lot to do with LC~ he feels civ to me, and I think he is a pretty astute civ.