The Syndicate

I actually do think DH would have been a likely choice for an early recruit, before it became clear what style he was adopting this game, and his refusal to give us anything this game makes me think he is expecting to coast into endgame. Not on my watch, Jack.

SVS is bad and will get my vote until I can't vote.

DharmaHelper wrote:SVS is bad and will get my vote until I can't vote.

I do respect your thoughts on this, it's an actual mafia vibe based on traditional reads of a player, not anything based on this game's unusual format.

DharmaHelper wrote:SVS is bad and will get my vote until I can't vote.

Yeah, that's about what I felt about Golden.

Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I second this. Like, is there any actual reason to keep you in this game?

timmer wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I second this. Like, is there any actual reason to keep you in this game?

Me next me next:

Didn't DH say he wasn't going to be back till the end of the poll?

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I am.

timmer wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I second this. Like, is there any actual reason to keep you in this game?

Probably not. But that's for you to decide.

DharmaHelper wrote:

timmer wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I second this. Like, is there any actual reason to keep you in this game?

Me next me next:

Didn't DH say he wasn't going to be back till the end of the poll?

Will you help me avenge Unfurl?

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

timmer wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I second this. Like, is there any actual reason to keep you in this game?

Me next me next:

Didn't DH say he wasn't going to be back till the end of the poll?

Will you help me avenge Unfurl?

If you vote for SVS.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

timmer wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I second this. Like, is there any actual reason to keep you in this game?

Probably not. But that's for you to decide.

Well, if I don't vote you, it will be because you've got one of the most gifted musicians alive as your avatar, no other reason.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I am.

So apart from your lack of reading skills do you have anything of value to add to this thread?

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I am.

So apart from your lack of reading skills do you have anything of value to add to this thread?

I don't follow. My response made sense. You asked when I plan on playing, and I told you that I am playing.

And sure. I requested questions for a reason. For the record I plan on voting TinyBubbles again. She doesn't feel good to me.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

aapje wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Hello friends. I will try to answer some questions.

I'll try one. When are you planning on playing the game?

I am.

So apart from your lack of reading skills do you have anything of value to add to this thread?

I don't follow. My response made sense. You asked when I plan on playing, and I told you that I am playing.

And sure. I requested questions for a reason. For the record I plan on voting TinyBubbles again. She doesn't feel good to me.

Ah that would be why that response didn't make sense to me. We have a different definition of playing.

DP wanting to vote TB makes me want to change my vote. :s

Canucklehead wrote:DP wanting to vote TB makes me want to change my vote. :s

Do it

My biggest concern about a Bubbles lynch is that it feels manipulated. One of the baddie teams hand-walked this game into a lynch of Golden and I feel similarly about this. I acknowledge that Bubbles has been more suspicious than Golden was though. I'll continue mulling.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My biggest concern about a Bubbles lynch is that it feels manipulated. One of the baddie teams hand-walked this game into a lynch of Golden and I feel similarly about this. I acknowledge that Bubbles has been more suspicious than Golden was though. I'll continue mulling.

You could always vote DH with me.

I just want to point out that DH's scum read on SVS is the most read-y thing he's done all game so far. I value his reads going forward, but also find it out of his game character this far. His point seems contributive, and I feel like SVS could have been recruited by a baddie team, but I am not sure she was done so between day 1 and 2. I think the switch would have happened sometime after that.

As for DH, isn't it interesting that he finally started going after someone after Unkerstein recruited earlier today?

I apologize for not being involved in the game as much recently. The other 3 mafia games I'm in just started and have me quite busy. I promise to get back in with more in depth reads, but for right now off the top of my head:

-I'm still not off the Sorsha could = Umlautzerbad train, since she hasn't really been part of the discussion as of late (and no excuse as of why).
-The lynch switch to Bubbles shouldn't intrinsicly reflect badly on her, and we should not assume that it was solely Ubolivegarden's doing to get unfurl lynched. There were other powers at play yesterday, and I'm not reading into that.
-That being said, I don't think Bubbles has done anything to make her appear civ in the interim, and for now I will be voting Bubbles. until further notice.
-I'd really rather track down the recruiters before getting into the semantics of what makes a baddie recruit, but if a murderer kidnapped my dog and said he would kill it unless I told him some suspicious names of recruitees now, I would say that JJJ, SVS and DH are ones to look at. I would wager that no more than 2 of those are baddies, though not necessarily on the same team.
-I'm avoiding the Rico/LoRab debate for now.

thellama73 wrote:You could always vote DH with me.

I take it you're not impressed with his move against S~V~S? If so, why?

While I fully acknowledge being one of the coal-shovellers on this Bubbles Lynch Train, the more passengers we acquire the more squicky I feel about it..... like, I'm starting to feel like I'm on the damn Snowpiercer and eating children and doing really unsubtle allegory and stuff.

Scotty wrote:I just want to point out that DH's scum read on SVS is the most read-y thing he's done all game so far. I value his reads going forward, but also find it out of his game character this far. His point seems contributive, and I feel like SVS could have been recruited by a baddie team, but I am not sure she was done so between day 1 and 2. I think the switch would have happened sometime after that.

As for DH, isn't it interesting that he finally started going after someone after Unkerstein recruited earlier today?

I apologize for not being involved in the game as much recently. The other 3 mafia games I'm in just started and have me quite busy. I promise to get back in with more in depth reads, but for right now off the top of my head:

-I'm still not off the Sorsha could = Umlautzerbad train, since she hasn't really been part of the discussion as of late (and no excuse as of why).
-The lynch switch to Bubbles shouldn't intrinsicly reflect badly on her, and we should not assume that it was solely Ubolivegarden's doing to get unfurl lynched. There were other powers at play yesterday, and I'm not reading into that.
-That being said, I don't think Bubbles has done anything to make her appear civ in the interim, and for now I will be voting Bubbles. until further notice.
-I'd really rather track down the recruiters before getting into the semantics of what makes a baddie recruit, but if a murderer kidnapped my dog and said he would kill it unless I told him some suspicious names of recruitees now, I would say that JJJ, SVS and DH are ones to look at. I would wager that no more than 2 of those are baddies, though not necessarily on the same team.
-I'm avoiding the Rico/LoRab debate for now.

That underlined bit up there was why I asked DH how he knew when the earlier Uzburger recruit happened, and he produced a post from 24 hours or so before then= night post and when I shifted tone in thread. When the recruit actually happened was not posted, I looked through Black Rocks posts before I asked, so I found that odd.

And I have to agree with your short list, it makes sense, even though i don't belong on it, I can see why you might put me there.

Tranq wrote:

aapje wrote:

Scotty wrote:@Dom's demeanor has been hovering somewhere around antagonistic, but I've never seen him play a game before. He's been pretty vocal about several people and so far hasn't been successful in catching a baddie (such as Golden, MP and me as examples) which doesn't sit well with me.

How can you be so sure MP wasn't bad? Not saying he was but it's certainly a possibility.

Scotty's post caught my eye aswell. Why assume MP wasn't bad?

What indication did you have that he was bad? Yes, I know there are 2 bad teams, but all I saw in him in the hours leading up to the end of day was a frustrated civ-minded player. It almost made me feel bad for him. I distinctly think that Dom was wrong in that mindset, but you are correct that there is that miniscule chance that he was playing us. I just won't believe it til the end game and I'm proven wrong.


linki- @Canuckle As I said yesterday, I have a fear that this is the same bubbles that I helped lynch in Bullets over Broadway and will flip civ and will make me feel horrible once again, but she distinctly said in the last game as her 3rd or so post: "I am a civ again!!!" whereas in this game one of her early posts was, "I'm totally bad." She attributed this to her playing a different playstyle, since that seems to get her lynched in all the other games. But that isn't much of a different playstyle, and if it is, what is that different playstyle? Lying? That's not very helpful.

I'll be gone for the rest of the day for a fantasy football draft party. $100 buy-in, I need to be prepared. See y'all tomorrow!

Scotty wrote:

Tranq wrote:

aapje wrote:

Scotty wrote:@Dom's demeanor has been hovering somewhere around antagonistic, but I've never seen him play a game before. He's been pretty vocal about several people and so far hasn't been successful in catching a baddie (such as Golden, MP and me as examples) which doesn't sit well with me.

How can you be so sure MP wasn't bad? Not saying he was but it's certainly a possibility.

Scotty's post caught my eye aswell. Why assume MP wasn't bad?

What indication did you have that he was bad? Yes, I know there are 2 bad teams, but all I saw in him in the hours leading up to the end of day was a frustrated civ-minded player. It almost made me feel bad for him. I distinctly think that Dom was wrong in that mindset, but you are correct that there is that miniscule chance that he was playing us. I just won't believe it til the end game and I'm proven wrong.


linki- @Canuckle As I said yesterday, I have a fear that this is the same bubbles that I helped lynch in Bullets over Broadway and will flip civ and will make me feel horrible once again, but she distinctly said in the last game as her 3rd or so post: "I am a civ again!!!" whereas in this game one of her early posts was, "I'm totally bad." She attributed this to her playing a different playstyle, since that seems to get her lynched in all the other games. But that isn't much of a different playstyle, and if it is, what is that different playstyle? Lying? That's not very helpful.

I'll be gone for the rest of the day for a fantasy football draft party. $100 buy-in, I need to be prepared. See y'all tomorrow!

In Roger Rabbit, MP totally completely 100% played the "emotional MP fit" card as a strategic move. It mostly worked. I have no idea if he was doing the same here (though my gut says he wasn't), but just some anecdata for you....

Re: Bubbles: my current squicky feelings are more about the ease with which people are hopping aboard the bandwagon. I'm as suspicious of Bubbles as ever, but the fact that very few people have any compunction about her running away with the lynch is making me uneasy. My guess is that she's either neutral or bad and confident she'll be able to avoid a lynch again

Can we please not kill TinyBubbles? can we please not give Ubzaggron the satisfaction? this is such a bad idea and another easy frame on someone most likely unrecruited.

DrWilgy wrote:Can we please not kill TinyBubbles? can we please not give Ubzaggron the satisfaction? this is such a bad idea and another easy frame on someone most likely unrecruited.

Can you explain what this is about? Why would Ubby specifically want Bubbles dead?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My biggest concern about a Bubbles lynch is that it feels manipulated. One of the baddie teams hand-walked this game into a lynch of Golden and I feel similarly about this. I acknowledge that Bubbles has been more suspicious than Golden was though. I'll continue mulling.

But how many members did a baddie team have at the time of Golden's lynch? Two? Were they at three yet? In a game of over 30 players, suggesting that a baddie team of 2-3 somehow manipulated the game is a bit of a stretch no?

Canucklehead wrote:DP wanting to vote TB makes me want to change my vote. :s

Why is that?

Nevermind, I didn't notice the extra page. I follow.

timmer wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My biggest concern about a Bubbles lynch is that it feels manipulated. One of the baddie teams hand-walked this game into a lynch of Golden and I feel similarly about this. I acknowledge that Bubbles has been more suspicious than Golden was though. I'll continue mulling.

But how many members did a baddie team have at the time of Golden's lynch? Two? Were they at three yet? In a game of over 30 players, suggesting that a baddie team of 2-3 somehow manipulated the game is a bit of a stretch no?

It only takes one person to send in the Epi kill.

timmer wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Can we please not kill TinyBubbles? can we please not give Ubzaggron the satisfaction? this is such a bad idea and another easy frame on someone most likely unrecruited.

Can you explain what this is about? Why would Ubby specifically want Bubbles dead?

Am I the only one seeing frame play at work here? Killing Unfurl with Bubbles vote so that we waste on Bubbles? because she's obviously evil. killing Epi because Golden will get lynched? obviously golden was evil too

I think the reason I'm so bothered by bubbles lynch can be defined by a old saying, "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, well I'm dumb." let's not be dumb here. Why am I defending someone who won't even help themself D:

I'm a bit torn. On one hand there is TB. She made a couple of posts that didn't sit right with me, chiefly amongst them the reaction to the lynch. For this I would have no problem voting for her. However, there are two things giving me pause: how easily people are jumping on her and DP's who just comes into the thread with a smug face as if he has nothing to be ashamed of.

DrWilgy wrote:Am I the only one seeing frame play at work here? Killing Unfurl with Bubbles vote so that we waste on Bubbles? because she's obviously evil. killing Epi because Golden will get lynched? obviously golden was evil too

I think the reason I'm so bothered by bubbles lynch can be defined by a old saying, "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, well I'm dumb." let's not be dumb here. Why am I defending someone who won't even help themself D:

What do you mean by that part?

@ JJJ, Oh, I misunderstood your point, I thought you meant people in the thread talking up voting Golden.

@Wilgy, but how many people are voting Bubbles because of unfurl? I'm certainly not. I think many of her voters just don't like the tone of her posts, no? If anything, if a mafia team tried to add fuel to the Bubbles fire, I don't see it really adding anything, so I'd feel like whoever is bringing up the unfurl kill maybe... had a hand in it and WANTS to make it part of the narrative.

Wilgy an FYI, Epi was killed by Azuma not Uzburger.

aapje, I'd be willing to shift my vote from Bubbles for the right candidate, did you have an alternate in mind? I'd gladly vote DP, for instance.

There's a difference, imo, between what I'm doing, which is playing as a neutral, and what DP is apparently doing, which is just complete apathy. If his plan is actually to deliberately coast through and never contribute, I'd be good with kicking him out.

aapje wrote:I'm a bit torn. On one hand there is TB. She made a couple of posts that didn't sit right with me, chiefly amongst them the reaction to the lynch. For this I would have no problem voting for her. However, there are two things giving me pause: how easily people are jumping on her and DP's who just comes into the thread with a smug face as if he has nothing to be ashamed of.

DrWilgy wrote:Can we please not kill TinyBubbles? can we please not give Ubzaggron the satisfaction? this is such a bad idea and another easy frame on someone most likely unrecruited.

I have no real problems killing the unrecruited. But that's an argument this thread has had several times already and doesn't need to be trotted out again.

@Monkey Dude, The Bubbles lynch was swapped to Unfurl to frame Bubbles.

@Timmer, please point out what about her tone triggers you. I also think you underestimate the greed of baddies. Anyone else dying, is a day longer they last.

@SVS I'm aware. Doesn't change the fact that baddies will do what they can for mislynches.

timmer wrote:aapje, I'd be willing to shift my vote from Bubbles for the right candidate, did you have an alternate in mind? I'd gladly vote DP, for instance.

There's a difference, imo, between what I'm doing, which is playing as a neutral, and what DP is apparently doing, which is just complete apathy. If his plan is actually to deliberately coast through and never contribute, I'd be good with kicking him out.

Timmer is inside my BRRRAAAAAAIIIIINNS.
I concur with everything he says here.

*sigh* I had really good intentions for today to get involved and make posts. But then there is sleeping... And my bed won.

But I'm here now. Not sure if I'll vote for bubbles today. I have a few times in the past but I'm considering the things that players are saying before I make a decision.

Anybody who isn't 100% on lynching TinyBubbles, lynch me instead.

timmer wrote:aapje, I'd be willing to shift my vote from Bubbles for the right candidate, did you have an alternate in mind? I'd gladly vote DP, for instance.

There's a difference, imo, between what I'm doing, which is playing as a neutral, and what DP is apparently doing, which is just complete apathy. If his plan is actually to deliberately coast through and never contribute, I'd be good with kicking him out.

You sure know how to tempt a man.

DrWilgy wrote:@Monkey Dude, The Bubbles lynch was swapped to Unfurl to frame Bubbles.

You made it sound like TB voted for unfurl which was confusing me, since I don't think she ever did such a thing.Since I believe that Nubzargan (how is it possible nobody came up with that name yet?) would have used the lynch switch regardless of who was in the lead I'd say the fact the lynch was switched has no bearing on TB's alliance, either food or bad.

allegiance* good*

Canucklehead wrote:While I fully acknowledge being one of the coal-shovellers on this Bubbles Lynch Train, the more passengers we acquire the more squicky I feel about it..... like, I'm starting to feel like I'm on the damn Snowpiercer and eating children and doing really unsubtle allegory and stuff.

I assume your past votes for bubbles have been because you really thought she was bad. So why now that others are seeing the same thing are you getting squicky about it?

@Wilgy, I'm not sure I agree with your stance on unfurl/Bubbles. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but that you are tuned in too heavily on one possibility.

Looking back, we were in position 2, so yes, Ubzargan had a lynch switch to use. So yes, it seems likely that he caused unfurl's death. But it's to what END where I am not sure you are right.

You suggest Ubby wanted to frame Bubbles. Maybe, but what about this?

- TinyBubbles is on Ubby's team, or is Ubby himself. The lynch switch rather handily went to saving her own life or the life of her teammate.

Can you give me any reason why this isn't a possibility? I personally think that those wanting to catch a baddie recruiter should be all OVER a Bubbles lynch, because of the very possibility that she's bad and on the Ub team.