Re: MAD MAX: Day 10
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:58 am
I will be stunned if LoRab is bad.
That is fair. I was more aggressive with my reads than I should have been early in the game.LoRab wrote:My main suspicion of you has been that I have seen you take the thread and twist it to fit suspicions that don't make sense to me and work them towards votes. That they were towards me in one lynch as colored my view, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. But, that said, I was also a counter lynch to a confirmed mafia, so it's also relevant. That said, at this moment, I don't think you're bad.
And Quin has read civ to me throughout the game. I'd be somewhat surprised to find Quin to be Mafia, although i don't rule it out of the realm of possibility.
At this moment, I see Dom as the most likely baddie
linkitis: That post was in response to her post in response to one of my accusations about how she was playing her role. I wanted to make it clear that it wasn't personal. I have deep respect for her as a person. But, well, she was evil in this game, so yeah.
It does but it doesn't answer the question. I'm sorry, I'm not sure there is much more you can say. But I'm still left feeling unconvinced. If this is all honest then I appreciate it and it's all understandable. But in this game right now it looks like the answer of a baddie who has no place left to hide. I wish there were more people in the game so I could ask you for reads or something, but we're here and there's not much room to work with.LoRab wrote:Sloonei, I have played a terrible game. I will admit to it. I have made plenty of mistakes. I have let out of game frustrations aggrevate me in this game. I have been wrong about just about everyone. I look bad. I know it.Dom wrote:And why would I do that?Quin wrote:You've strongly suspected everyone still alive at one point or another. I'm not sure what your point is. I think you killed the confirmed civilian, not your biggest supporter.Dom wrote:Did I systematically kill all of my suspects until now and then decide, nah, I'll kill my biggest supporter [read one of few people showing open mindedness about my status].
We basically got 2. I understand why a baddie would kill the one whose vote matters, but why would I, as a baddie, kill Jay?
"In a way that is useful." I'd like to know what that means, Dom. If you're still reading this massive wall of text. Maybe I should mention in BIG COLORFUL LETTERS that I am asking you a question, Dom! And I'd like an answer, if you're capable. What were you hoping to get out of me here? On the one hand it seems you're just antagonizing me and trying to prove a point about my treatment of Epi ("why is Epi fully responsible..."), but in the previous sentence you suggest you are looking for specific game-relevant information out of me. Which is it? What was your motivation here?Sloonei wrote: This doesn't answer the question in any way that is useful. AGain, why is Epi fully responsible for knowing who he's voting for the second his top suspect dies but you are not?
After this, Dom goes on a mini crusade where he starts demanding I answer his question, but I am still unclear on why this was such a huge deal or what was unsatisfactory about my many responses. When I pointed out to him that "who are you gonna vote for" is just a routine question I ask people in this game, he swats it away by saying the context is different, and continues to go about demanding something out of me that is equal parts unclear and unfair. At the time I thought Dom was just flustered, but in retrospect he looks to simply be aggressively opposed to and stubbornly refusing anything that can be said against him. And I don't think that's a good look. I'm still not familiar with what past-scum Dom looks like, but I have seen plenty of scum performances that look like this from other players.
For the sake of cutting this post off and getting some thoughts into the thread, I'll leave it at this. If you don't feel like reading everything I just typed (and you certainly don't have to), my conclusion is this: Day 6 Dom looks like an over-defensive baddie who was unwilling to engage honestly with both Quin and myself. I left out his later accusations against Quin, but I think we're all familiar with them by now. My hope with this post was that I could gain a more neutral perspective of Quin and Dom, but I just came out of it feeling more strongly that Dom is bad and, therefore, Quin is good. I'm putting my vote on Dom, but this decision is by no means final.
But I'm not.
I really thought we settled these questions, but I'll go through this once more.
I kept pushing this because I didn't trust you at the time. I thought you might be trying to get Epig lynched because you saw low participation-- easy lynch. I was very wrong. I've been very wrong more than I've been very right in this game. I wanted to see if you could provide the same information Epig was providing you. You did not, in my opinion, do that. We have since agreed that there was some sort of misunderstanding.
Does that answer your question?
Yeah. A few pages before you asked me the question 3J had reposted his GTH read analysis where Mac had scum-read Dom. That and the dialogue that the two of them had brought me to that conclusion.Sloonei wrote:There is one aspect of Day 6 that is bugging me about Quin, and that is that initial suspicion post where he says Dom was suspect because Mac had suspected him. It's been covered and we know that Quin acknowledged his mistake, but I'd still like to know if we could identify where that mistake originated. Has that been explained yet?
What dialogue are you referring to?Quin wrote:Yeah. A few pages before you asked me the question 3J had reposted his GTH read analysis where Mac had scum-read Dom. That and the dialogue that the two of them had brought me to that conclusion.Sloonei wrote:There is one aspect of Day 6 that is bugging me about Quin, and that is that initial suspicion post where he says Dom was suspect because Mac had suspected him. It's been covered and we know that Quin acknowledged his mistake, but I'd still like to know if we could identify where that mistake originated. Has that been explained yet?
Nothing specific. I just recalled that they had a back and forth.Sloonei wrote:What dialogue are you referring to?Quin wrote:Yeah. A few pages before you asked me the question 3J had reposted his GTH read analysis where Mac had scum-read Dom. That and the dialogue that the two of them had brought me to that conclusion.Sloonei wrote:There is one aspect of Day 6 that is bugging me about Quin, and that is that initial suspicion post where he says Dom was suspect because Mac had suspected him. It's been covered and we know that Quin acknowledged his mistake, but I'd still like to know if we could identify where that mistake originated. Has that been explained yet?
Excluding my town-reads for 3J and INH for host post reasons, my scum-read for Eloh.Sloonei wrote:I'm gonna ask Quin that same question, with the caveat that it be his strongest non-Dom conviction from this game.
Who is they? When about did it occur?Quin wrote:Nothing specific. I just recalled that they had a back and forth.Sloonei wrote:What dialogue are you referring to?Quin wrote:Yeah. A few pages before you asked me the question 3J had reposted his GTH read analysis where Mac had scum-read Dom. That and the dialogue that the two of them had brought me to that conclusion.Sloonei wrote:There is one aspect of Day 6 that is bugging me about Quin, and that is that initial suspicion post where he says Dom was suspect because Mac had suspected him. It's been covered and we know that Quin acknowledged his mistake, but I'd still like to know if we could identify where that mistake originated. Has that been explained yet?
Dom and Mac. Before 3J posted his GTH spreadsheet the second time.Sloonei wrote:Who is they? When about did it occur?Quin wrote:Nothing specific. I just recalled that they had a back and forth.Sloonei wrote:What dialogue are you referring to?Quin wrote:Yeah. A few pages before you asked me the question 3J had reposted his GTH read analysis where Mac had scum-read Dom. That and the dialogue that the two of them had brought me to that conclusion.Sloonei wrote:There is one aspect of Day 6 that is bugging me about Quin, and that is that initial suspicion post where he says Dom was suspect because Mac had suspected him. It's been covered and we know that Quin acknowledged his mistake, but I'd still like to know if we could identify where that mistake originated. Has that been explained yet?
That came about pretty quickly. Why were you so confident so early?Quin wrote:Excluding my town-reads for 3J and INH for host post reasons, my scum-read for Eloh.Sloonei wrote:I'm gonna ask Quin that same question, with the caveat that it be his strongest non-Dom conviction from this game.
bumping this inquiry back to the forefront as well.Sloonei wrote:We obviously are not allowed to talk about our own roles in this game, but there's nothing preventing us from acknowledging and speculating about the roles that we know to be remaining in the game. Anyone got legal role-related theories to share? This is lylo, so all cards should be on the table.
It did. I thought my case against her was strong, and there were a number of other ideas put out by people that implicated her which helped to supplement my read.Sloonei wrote:That came about pretty quickly. Why were you so confident so early?Quin wrote:Excluding my town-reads for 3J and INH for host post reasons, my scum-read for Eloh.Sloonei wrote:I'm gonna ask Quin that same question, with the caveat that it be his strongest non-Dom conviction from this game.
Because Dom isn't. Other than that, you haven't impressed me in any notable way. I'm currently remedying that, but I'm looking at LoRab's posts first, because there's less of them.Sloonei wrote:Why are you so sure I'm town?
Quin wrote:Actually, that's wrong. I remember voting Wilgy in order to save you at one point. I must have had a reason for that.
No, I'm saying that because Dom and LoRab don't have BTSC, and Dom has more mafia BTSC links than LoRab, the last baddie is less likely to be LoRab than before.Sloonei wrote:Of course Dom and LoRab don't have BTSC. There is only one baddie left.
At least buy me a drink first.Sloonei wrote:Gotcha. Now do me.
Are you planning on moving your vote so we end this this day period with a lynch?Sloonei wrote:Nothing interesting is happening now that I'm awake. I hope you all have a busy and productive EoD and end this thing with a town win. I won't be here to help.
I am. I'll even do it now, since I'm leaving soon.LoRab wrote:Are you planning on moving your vote so we end this this day period with a lynch?Sloonei wrote:Nothing interesting is happening now that I'm awake. I hope you all have a busy and productive EoD and end this thing with a town win. I won't be here to help.
My scum read of MP.Sloonei wrote:It does but it doesn't answer the question. I'm sorry, I'm not sure there is much more you can say. But I'm still left feeling unconvinced. If this is all honest then I appreciate it and it's all understandable. But in this game right now it looks like the answer of a baddie who has no place left to hide. I wish there were more people in the game so I could ask you for reads or something, but we're here and there's not much room to work with.LoRab wrote:Sloonei, I have played a terrible game. I will admit to it. I have made plenty of mistakes. I have let out of game frustrations aggrevate me in this game. I have been wrong about just about everyone. I look bad. I know it.Dom wrote:And why would I do that?Quin wrote:You've strongly suspected everyone still alive at one point or another. I'm not sure what your point is. I think you killed the confirmed civilian, not your biggest supporter.Dom wrote:Did I systematically kill all of my suspects until now and then decide, nah, I'll kill my biggest supporter [read one of few people showing open mindedness about my status].
We basically got 2. I understand why a baddie would kill the one whose vote matters, but why would I, as a baddie, kill Jay?
"In a way that is useful." I'd like to know what that means, Dom. If you're still reading this massive wall of text. Maybe I should mention in BIG COLORFUL LETTERS that I am asking you a question, Dom! And I'd like an answer, if you're capable. What were you hoping to get out of me here? On the one hand it seems you're just antagonizing me and trying to prove a point about my treatment of Epi ("why is Epi fully responsible..."), but in the previous sentence you suggest you are looking for specific game-relevant information out of me. Which is it? What was your motivation here?Sloonei wrote: This doesn't answer the question in any way that is useful. AGain, why is Epi fully responsible for knowing who he's voting for the second his top suspect dies but you are not?
After this, Dom goes on a mini crusade where he starts demanding I answer his question, but I am still unclear on why this was such a huge deal or what was unsatisfactory about my many responses. When I pointed out to him that "who are you gonna vote for" is just a routine question I ask people in this game, he swats it away by saying the context is different, and continues to go about demanding something out of me that is equal parts unclear and unfair. At the time I thought Dom was just flustered, but in retrospect he looks to simply be aggressively opposed to and stubbornly refusing anything that can be said against him. And I don't think that's a good look. I'm still not familiar with what past-scum Dom looks like, but I have seen plenty of scum performances that look like this from other players.
For the sake of cutting this post off and getting some thoughts into the thread, I'll leave it at this. If you don't feel like reading everything I just typed (and you certainly don't have to), my conclusion is this: Day 6 Dom looks like an over-defensive baddie who was unwilling to engage honestly with both Quin and myself. I left out his later accusations against Quin, but I think we're all familiar with them by now. My hope with this post was that I could gain a more neutral perspective of Quin and Dom, but I just came out of it feeling more strongly that Dom is bad and, therefore, Quin is good. I'm putting my vote on Dom, but this decision is by no means final.
But I'm not.
I really thought we settled these questions, but I'll go through this once more.
I kept pushing this because I didn't trust you at the time. I thought you might be trying to get Epig lynched because you saw low participation-- easy lynch. I was very wrong. I've been very wrong more than I've been very right in this game. I wanted to see if you could provide the same information Epig was providing you. You did not, in my opinion, do that. We have since agreed that there was some sort of misunderstanding.
Does that answer your question?
What would you say has been the strongest conviction your townie self has held in this game and why?
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... &start=160Quin wrote:Yeah. A few pages before you asked me the question 3J had reposted his GTH read analysis where Mac had scum-read Dom. That and the dialogue that the two of them had brought me to that conclusion.Sloonei wrote:There is one aspect of Day 6 that is bugging me about Quin, and that is that initial suspicion post where he says Dom was suspect because Mac had suspected him. It's been covered and we know that Quin acknowledged his mistake, but I'd still like to know if we could identify where that mistake originated. Has that been explained yet?
...what the hell is this?Quin wrote:Because Dom isn't. Other than that, you haven't impressed me in any notable way. I'm currently remedying that, but I'm looking at LoRab's posts first, because there's less of them.Sloonei wrote:Why are you so sure I'm town?
Dom wrote:My scum read of MP.Sloonei wrote:It does but it doesn't answer the question. I'm sorry, I'm not sure there is much more you can say. But I'm still left feeling unconvinced. If this is all honest then I appreciate it and it's all understandable. But in this game right now it looks like the answer of a baddie who has no place left to hide. I wish there were more people in the game so I could ask you for reads or something, but we're here and there's not much room to work with.LoRab wrote:Sloonei, I have played a terrible game. I will admit to it. I have made plenty of mistakes. I have let out of game frustrations aggrevate me in this game. I have been wrong about just about everyone. I look bad. I know it.Dom wrote:And why would I do that?Quin wrote:You've strongly suspected everyone still alive at one point or another. I'm not sure what your point is. I think you killed the confirmed civilian, not your biggest supporter.Dom wrote:Did I systematically kill all of my suspects until now and then decide, nah, I'll kill my biggest supporter [read one of few people showing open mindedness about my status].
We basically got 2. I understand why a baddie would kill the one whose vote matters, but why would I, as a baddie, kill Jay?
"In a way that is useful." I'd like to know what that means, Dom. If you're still reading this massive wall of text. Maybe I should mention in BIG COLORFUL LETTERS that I am asking you a question, Dom! And I'd like an answer, if you're capable. What were you hoping to get out of me here? On the one hand it seems you're just antagonizing me and trying to prove a point about my treatment of Epi ("why is Epi fully responsible..."), but in the previous sentence you suggest you are looking for specific game-relevant information out of me. Which is it? What was your motivation here?Sloonei wrote: This doesn't answer the question in any way that is useful. AGain, why is Epi fully responsible for knowing who he's voting for the second his top suspect dies but you are not?
After this, Dom goes on a mini crusade where he starts demanding I answer his question, but I am still unclear on why this was such a huge deal or what was unsatisfactory about my many responses. When I pointed out to him that "who are you gonna vote for" is just a routine question I ask people in this game, he swats it away by saying the context is different, and continues to go about demanding something out of me that is equal parts unclear and unfair. At the time I thought Dom was just flustered, but in retrospect he looks to simply be aggressively opposed to and stubbornly refusing anything that can be said against him. And I don't think that's a good look. I'm still not familiar with what past-scum Dom looks like, but I have seen plenty of scum performances that look like this from other players.
For the sake of cutting this post off and getting some thoughts into the thread, I'll leave it at this. If you don't feel like reading everything I just typed (and you certainly don't have to), my conclusion is this: Day 6 Dom looks like an over-defensive baddie who was unwilling to engage honestly with both Quin and myself. I left out his later accusations against Quin, but I think we're all familiar with them by now. My hope with this post was that I could gain a more neutral perspective of Quin and Dom, but I just came out of it feeling more strongly that Dom is bad and, therefore, Quin is good. I'm putting my vote on Dom, but this decision is by no means final.
But I'm not.
I really thought we settled these questions, but I'll go through this once more.
I kept pushing this because I didn't trust you at the time. I thought you might be trying to get Epig lynched because you saw low participation-- easy lynch. I was very wrong. I've been very wrong more than I've been very right in this game. I wanted to see if you could provide the same information Epig was providing you. You did not, in my opinion, do that. We have since agreed that there was some sort of misunderstanding.
Does that answer your question?
What would you say has been the strongest conviction your townie self has held in this game and why?
I was really wrong, but I really thought I was right.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... &start=160Quin wrote:Yeah. A few pages before you asked me the question 3J had reposted his GTH read analysis where Mac had scum-read Dom. That and the dialogue that the two of them had brought me to that conclusion.Sloonei wrote:There is one aspect of Day 6 that is bugging me about Quin, and that is that initial suspicion post where he says Dom was suspect because Mac had suspected him. It's been covered and we know that Quin acknowledged his mistake, but I'd still like to know if we could identify where that mistake originated. Has that been explained yet?
ok ignore day 2 as well as mac's final read on me too.![]()
I see you're still ignoring the fact that my read was not researched.
...what the hell is this?Quin wrote:Because Dom isn't. Other than that, you haven't impressed me in any notable way. I'm currently remedying that, but I'm looking at LoRab's posts first, because there's less of them.Sloonei wrote:Why are you so sure I'm town?
I don't know. What the hell is this?
No. It was both from the very beginning.Dom wrote:Quin, you are now backing it up with a back and forth. I thought it was just the GTH? You're waffling on this.
Quin wrote:I recalled a bunch of dialogue between you two and remembered 3J's GTH thing. Your post was more recent, though.Dom wrote:Quinn is a liar.![]()
I still want to read you, just based on the fact that I haven't since I first subbed in.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Night 3 GTH chart re-uploaded:
Spoiler: show
I think I tunneled and was excited to be playing again. I was excited to feel right. And I was wrong.Sloonei wrote:Dom, why did you feel so strongly about your scum read on MP?
Im here!Sloonei wrote:Where's all the posts, people?
No, for the fifth time.Dom wrote:Quin, did you research this read or not?
That is a baseball team.Scotty wrote:Im here!Sloonei wrote:Where's all the posts, people?
How bout them cubs?