Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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I feel like he’s been active enough this game and this phase. I think you’re just trying to poke for the sake of poking. There are more people I’d rather hear fromfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:21 am I'm trying to get LC to play the game and give us his thoughts/reads, why don't you want to hear from him @Scotty?
There are a lot of people we need to hear from. Seems more pertinent to find out who you want to kill and work on killing them.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:21 am I'm trying to get LC to play the game and give us his thoughts/reads, why don't you want to hear from him @Scotty?
This seems like an exceptionally bad faith approach to reading him.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 10:21 amMarmot's ISO is full of hello and greetings, soft pushes with no follow up, and scummy Masterpiece Theater.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 8:59 am And plot twist I just read through Marmot's ISO and I really don't think he was scum based on the way that he was pushing back against the Qwags yeet when he was on the three way chopping block - think scum would show that self-prez instinct more than he had. I also like the way that he's reached out to people in bits and pieces (such as linking Tim posts for Daisy), I like the way he talked about his townreads early, etc.
I'll read Flanders in a bit but Mog's play today also seems townier than not - the defeatist attitude doesn't seem like it's coming from scum here (I think if Mog replaced in as scum and gave up it would include a lot more slanking and a lot less "if I must be a sacrifice to give the world more information so be it". We're headed in a bad direction right now.
What's towny about his ISO? Pushing back against the Qwags lynch? Can you quote what you saw?
Marmot reaching out to people in bits and pieces is exactly the soft push/soft engagement stuff I'm scum reading him for. Can you show me 1 instance of Marmot actually pushing a read and trying to solve a slot? It's all a bunch of lily dipping posts that are soft as baby shit.
SSF was town, ergo Mog is town. My read on SSF is based on uber meta and he's one of my best pals and a bit of angleshoot. I'm 90% on that slot
This is a small piece but I liked this - Scotty was my first townread (and the only townread I remember from the earlier attempts at reading) and I liked Scotty for this reason.
Think what you want, and if you want to hear from different people, then by all means engage them. Please don't presume to tell me who I should and shouldn't be engaging.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:28 amI feel like he’s been active enough this game and this phase. I think you’re just trying to poke for the sake of poking. There are more people I’d rather hear fromfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:21 am I'm trying to get LC to play the game and give us his thoughts/reads, why don't you want to hear from him @Scotty?
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:12 pmThis is one of the reachouts I like contrasted with Falcon's reachout to me. Falcon as scum is laying down groundwork for a further push whereas Marmot is just trying to get people engaged which isn't one of those things that is likely to gain you towncred but is strictly +town.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:55 amDon't forget to apologize for your absence again when you pop in to tell us you're still catching up on the game!Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:09 pm Hello! Sorry for my absence so far - I'm reading through the game a little now but will catch up in full tonight when I am settled in and done with errands!
I want nacho to come post and play too, but this is kind of a passive-aggressive way to request it of him.
@Nachomamma8 come play with us!
Same deal here. Low poster, engaging, giving them a starting off point. +town but not likely to give him town cred.
Etc.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:41 amMade wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:59 pmI'm try this thing this game where instead of trying to solve the game hard I try to make friends and solve the game via the power of friendship!! I want to be the kinda slot that scum wants to kill before we make it to lylo, and If I make it, be a candidate for the cleared player who picks between 2 potentially scummy players tropeTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:51 pm [VOTE: Made] aubergine
Not ready to vote Gavail, but all by himself he makes the Marmot wagon too sketchy for me. Made, why you say you were gonna do better then gimmick, and then you gimmick?
What useful reads do you have to contribute?
I love this idea!
What've you learned from your friendship meta? What'd you expect to learn from it?
If you look, Marmot spends a lot of time D1 doing the glad handing thing, not getting to work & trying to solve the game. You claim to have already gone thru his ISO, so you should be aware of that already.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:32 amThis seems like an exceptionally bad faith approach to reading him.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 10:21 amMarmot's ISO is full of hello and greetings, soft pushes with no follow up, and scummy Masterpiece Theater.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 8:59 am And plot twist I just read through Marmot's ISO and I really don't think he was scum based on the way that he was pushing back against the Qwags yeet when he was on the three way chopping block - think scum would show that self-prez instinct more than he had. I also like the way that he's reached out to people in bits and pieces (such as linking Tim posts for Daisy), I like the way he talked about his townreads early, etc.
I'll read Flanders in a bit but Mog's play today also seems townier than not - the defeatist attitude doesn't seem like it's coming from scum here (I think if Mog replaced in as scum and gave up it would include a lot more slanking and a lot less "if I must be a sacrifice to give the world more information so be it". We're headed in a bad direction right now.
What's towny about his ISO? Pushing back against the Qwags lynch? Can you quote what you saw?
Marmot reaching out to people in bits and pieces is exactly the soft push/soft engagement stuff I'm scum reading him for. Can you show me 1 instance of Marmot actually pushing a read and trying to solve a slot? It's all a bunch of lily dipping posts that are soft as baby shit.
SSF was town, ergo Mog is town. My read on SSF is based on uber meta and he's one of my best pals and a bit of angleshoot. I'm 90% on that slot
Saying hello and greeting people is part of the game - it is a social one. Do you really think that Marmot as town isn't going to greet or say hello to people?
Reaching out to low volume posters without pushing them goes against a scum agenda - if you call out lurkers and just flat out push them then you're possibly pushing a mislynch or distancing but if you're just getting people who aren't posting to post more then usually it's not an action that benefits scum.
I'll get into Marmot in a bit.
Long Con is around. You don't seem to be engaging him.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:40 amThink what you want, and if you want to hear from different people, then by all means engage them. Please don't presume to tell me who I should and shouldn't be engaging.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:28 amI feel like he’s been active enough this game and this phase. I think you’re just trying to poke for the sake of poking. There are more people I’d rather hear fromfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:21 am I'm trying to get LC to play the game and give us his thoughts/reads, why don't you want to hear from him @Scotty?
trend my balls on your faceScotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 9:56 am Mac has made the comment twice now that town might as well take the L for the state of things. That’s sabotage-ic and defeatist, my man. Tending down again for me.
Nacho’s reads seem like they have a strong support to hold that head, though i disagree with most of em. It’s refreshing to hear him go counter to a lot of the consensus scum... thenMmm I don’t know what you’re seeing.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 8:59 am And plot twist I just read through Marmot's ISO and I really don't think he was scum based on the way that he was pushing back against the Qwags yeet when he was on the three way chopping block - think scum would show that self-prez instinct more than he had.He was fine with any vote not named him in the last few minutes. He chose to vote Quags over SSF, who was building at the time.Spoiler: show
Also just looking at his behavior at EOD is looking at marmot’s game in a vaccuum. He’s sketch all day. So if you actually looked through his iso i feel like you’d come to a different conclusion
My recent posts are talking about what I see in his "glad handing" and I've talked about him engaging low posters already.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:45 amIf you look, Marmot spends a lot of time D1 doing the glad handing thing, not getting to work & trying to solve the game. You claim to have already gone thru his ISO, so you should be aware of that already.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:32 amThis seems like an exceptionally bad faith approach to reading him.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 10:21 amMarmot's ISO is full of hello and greetings, soft pushes with no follow up, and scummy Masterpiece Theater.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 8:59 am And plot twist I just read through Marmot's ISO and I really don't think he was scum based on the way that he was pushing back against the Qwags yeet when he was on the three way chopping block - think scum would show that self-prez instinct more than he had. I also like the way that he's reached out to people in bits and pieces (such as linking Tim posts for Daisy), I like the way he talked about his townreads early, etc.
I'll read Flanders in a bit but Mog's play today also seems townier than not - the defeatist attitude doesn't seem like it's coming from scum here (I think if Mog replaced in as scum and gave up it would include a lot more slanking and a lot less "if I must be a sacrifice to give the world more information so be it". We're headed in a bad direction right now.
What's towny about his ISO? Pushing back against the Qwags lynch? Can you quote what you saw?
Marmot reaching out to people in bits and pieces is exactly the soft push/soft engagement stuff I'm scum reading him for. Can you show me 1 instance of Marmot actually pushing a read and trying to solve a slot? It's all a bunch of lily dipping posts that are soft as baby shit.
SSF was town, ergo Mog is town. My read on SSF is based on uber meta and he's one of my best pals and a bit of angleshoot. I'm 90% on that slot
Saying hello and greeting people is part of the game - it is a social one. Do you really think that Marmot as town isn't going to greet or say hello to people?
Reaching out to low volume posters without pushing them goes against a scum agenda - if you call out lurkers and just flat out push them then you're possibly pushing a mislynch or distancing but if you're just getting people who aren't posting to post more then usually it's not an action that benefits scum.
I'll get into Marmot in a bit.
So it's already been pointed out and supported with posts that Marmot didn't push back against the Qwags lynch as you claim he did. Also, he hasn't reached out to low posters as you say, you even referenced his engagement of Daisy & Tim (both soft and not solvey BTW) and they are def not low posters.
You are the one reading him in bad faith.
Meh. I call it as I see it. If we chop a wolf today we might have a chance.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 10:41 am It sucks that the two people at the forefront right now just straight up aren't here.
I agree with Scotty that Mac's behavior today sucks. Don't like that he's coming in with the defeatist attitude and talking about how we need to purge the slank group but there's no sense of urgency behind it - he's not interacting with the main wagons and seems to be voting Long Con because "no one has looked that way recently". If you're on the cusp of taking an L, you don't try to be cute.
I think KZA, Scotty, Daisy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 amIf you don't have any standout wolf reads, then who's in your town core right now?
Not Made?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 amI think KZA, Scotty, Daisy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 amIf you don't have any standout wolf reads, then who's in your town core right now?
Hasn't it? It certainly seems to have inspired some people to prove me wrong.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am I don't think your griping has had any effect on today. What will have an effect on today is finding a suspect and engaging them. Or talking about the big wagons for today - what do you think of my Marmot defense? Is Mog the wolf that we've been trying to find?
I got a note last night that claimed no scum went to _______ Shrine last night. Wasn't Azura. Unsure of the veracity of the note.
What are the groups?
What's your read on Daisy? For as many words as she's posted, she's one of the hardest players to read. Do you have meta on her?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 amI think KZA, Scotty, Daisy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 amIf you don't have any standout wolf reads, then who's in your town core right now?
Yeah, Made was green-checked by KZA, right? Him too then.Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:53 amNot Made?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 amI think KZA, Scotty, Daisy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 amIf you don't have any standout wolf reads, then who's in your town core right now?
I see no issue with forcing a mass claim and using your information as though it's good?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:54 amI got a note last night that claimed no scum went to _______ Shrine last night. Wasn't Azura. Unsure of the veracity of the note.
I feel good about her being town. I like her interactions with Jack.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:55 amWhat's your read on Daisy? For as many words as she's posted, she's one of the hardest players to read. Do you have meta on her?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 amI think KZA, Scotty, Daisy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 amIf you don't have any standout wolf reads, then who's in your town core right now?
I've tried to shake loose some of the Shrine info since the day started, but there has been little response.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:56 amI see no issue with forcing a mass claim and using your information as though it's good?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:54 amI got a note last night that claimed no scum went to _______ Shrine last night. Wasn't Azura. Unsure of the veracity of the note.
Who are you talking to in this post?Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am I don't think your griping has had any effect on today. What will have an effect on today is finding a suspect and engaging them. Or talking about the big wagons for today - what do you think of my Marmot defense? Is Mog the wolf that we've been trying to find?
Me. Nacho is taking my mild doomsaying as confirmation I am mafia.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:58 amWho are you talking to in this post?Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am I don't think your griping has had any effect on today. What will have an effect on today is finding a suspect and engaging them. Or talking about the big wagons for today - what do you think of my Marmot defense? Is Mog the wolf that we've been trying to find?
I don't think you are mafia. I think that your approach to today has been lazy. And continues to be lazy. Why would I, I slanker scum, care about pushing Mac, the god of town?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:59 amMe. Nacho is taking my mild doomsaying as confirmation I am mafia.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:58 amWho are you talking to in this post?Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am I don't think your griping has had any effect on today. What will have an effect on today is finding a suspect and engaging them. Or talking about the big wagons for today - what do you think of my Marmot defense? Is Mog the wolf that we've been trying to find?
clearly I coached you in scum chat to distance from meNachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:01 pmI don't think you are mafia. I think that your approach to today has been lazy. And continues to be lazy. Why would I, I slanker scum, care about pushing Mac, the god of town?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:59 amMe. Nacho is taking my mild doomsaying as confirmation I am mafia.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:58 amWho are you talking to in this post?Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am I don't think your griping has had any effect on today. What will have an effect on today is finding a suspect and engaging them. Or talking about the big wagons for today - what do you think of my Marmot defense? Is Mog the wolf that we've been trying to find?
I'll do my best!MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:01 pm anyway I just woke up at 2am to take a mid morning poo im going back to sleep. I expect Nacho will have strung up a wolf with his incisive cutting game theory based skill upon my return.
yayNachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:08 pmI'll do my best!MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:01 pm anyway I just woke up at 2am to take a mid morning poo im going back to sleep. I expect Nacho will have strung up a wolf with his incisive cutting game theory based skill upon my return.
