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Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:24 pm**

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:20 pm if alison flips villager i will vote santy

Sounds good.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:24 pm**

If you flip green ill definitely strongly consider santy yeah

And give mac a proper read

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:24 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:20 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:19 pm When you are town and assume that you are dead, you dont lie about stuff or try to 'hyperbole' stuff to try to help town.

So yeah, your legacy should be fully ignored because it is clear that is tainted
Weird. Don't you think I'm 100% going to flip red?

Shouldn't my legacy be ignored because it comes from a player that has flipped red, as opposed to being tainted by hyperbole or whatever?

You seem eager to discredit it in the scenario that I flip green despite projecting 100% confidence that I am mafia.

Yes, I think that you are flipping always mafia.
But I have a thing for... Modeling scenarios? Idk how its called. Like, figurative stuff .

If a town made a legay that bad, I would always ignore it because it shows that they clearly arent reading the game right. Fundamental?basics? That type of stuff

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm**

I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm**

idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison

if you flip green, i'll consider santy

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm**

Alison moves me from top town to scum because I rightly pointed out you legacy has falsehoods in it. Hmmm yes.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm**

Looks like things are in good order. The only people who've said they'll ignore my legacy are people I have on my mafia list and those I feel better (even marginally) about have said or implied that they will follow my lead if I flip green.

My work here is done, and I have work elsewhere to do. Have a good day. I'm not doing huge catchups this game as I have exams next week, but I'll still read pings (assuming I don't get dozens of them) so feel free to do so if there's something that urgently needs addressing.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh

do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm**

If there's town kp out there please shoot porscha, ty

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison

if you flip green, i'll consider santy

what don't you agree with?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh

Yeah same. She is still top scum.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh
do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?

Whats the potential mech on her?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm**

@Porscha please post in the next few hours or else I will consider you outed

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison

if you flip green, i'll consider santy
what don't you agree with?

the things you're pulling out to call alison lock scum seem reachy and frantic. not well thought out

alison might be a wolf, but i think it's more for her claim

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:28 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh
do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?
Whats the potential mech on her?

someone has claimed they can solve her overnight with mech

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:28 pm**

And there goes Alison first of her name. Producer of legacies 26 hrs before eod that have lies in them who switches from townlocking mac to scumlocking him because he doesn't agree to sheep 2 reads based on poor logic.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:29 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh
do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?
Whats the potential mech on her?
someone has claimed they can solve her overnight with mech

Do you remember who?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:29 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison

if you flip green, i'll consider santy
what don't you agree with?
the things you're pulling out to call alison lock scum seem reachy and frantic. not well thought out

alison might be a wolf, but i think it's more for her claim

how do they? I don't think that's true.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:29 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:29 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm I still think porscha is lowkey outed tbh
do you think it's worth voting her when we could have mech tomorrow?
Whats the potential mech on her?
someone has claimed they can solve her overnight with mech
Do you remember who?

lily

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:29 pm**

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:25 pm idk i think this franticness I'm seeing from mac is more his town game even if I don't agree with him about what makes you suspicious, alison

if you flip green, i'll consider santy

I'm happy with that. I think Santy goes before Mac anyway, on raw scum equity. I assume after two more NKs and more mech claims you'll have more context and info to work with anyway.

You're not wrong that it does resemble Mac's town game and I faltered for a moment on my Mac read internally but the approach he is taking right now is completely ignoring my reads when he normally holds them in very high esteem, and sums up to a big picture of him killing 2 strong townies and shielding a mafia. I think if I were to let Mac off the hook here I would be doing it because I want him to be town, not because I think he is, and I can't do that in good conscience.

Nevertheless, if you'll agree to seriously consider Santy and keep him nice and snug in the POE where he belongs, I am happy.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm**

And yeah fine I guess leaving her is fine enough probably, id prefer just to kill her and have whomever direct that mech somewhere else but

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm**

y'all trying to put me on tilt lol

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm y'all trying to put me on tilt lol

You're a lovely and kind person

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm**

where is the actual problem with what I've said?

this is wolf hours.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:28 pm And there goes Alison first of her name. Producer of legacies 26 hrs before eod that have lies in them who switches from townlocking mac to scumlocking him because he doesn't agree to sheep 2 reads based on poor logic.

I produced the legacy when the poll was set to close in 2 hours. The host later clarified it was an error and amended the deadline, but I'd already written most of it so I just posted it.

Should I call you lock scum for misrepresenting the context of me posting that legacy then?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm**

@Lilypetal can you only clear porscha or does it work on others too?

Sorry if already asked

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:32 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm And yeah fine I guess leaving her is fine enough probably, id prefer just to kill her and have whomever direct that mech somewhere else but

I don't think Porscha is the most ideal cop target in the game so I'm assuming that Lily has restrictions on who she can use her power on (especially since she doesn't have a N1 result).

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:32 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm And yeah fine I guess leaving her is fine enough probably, id prefer just to kill her and have whomever direct that mech somewhere else but
I don't think Porscha is the most ideal cop target in the game so I'm assuming that Lily has restrictions on who she can use her power on (especially since she doesn't have a N1 result).

lily has said in thread there are restrictions and she's limited to porscha

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:33 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm @Lilypetal can you only clear porscha or does it work on others too?

Sorry if already asked

was abt to post actually

if porscha doesn't respond to my ping in the next 1.5 hours I think we should just consider her outed and lunch her, otherwise I will use mech to solve her

i dont want to out the specifics tho

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:34 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm y'all trying to put me on tilt lol

Am I?

I've called you mafia. We've talked about how being called mafia shouldn't constitute a personal attack.

Have I degraded you, disrespected you, or insulted your play?

If anything I am scumreading you because I think you'd play better as town. I am holding you to higher standards because I think you are a strong town player. If SuccDragon waltzes in and says they're not going to follow my legacy I'd just roll my eyes and not change my read on them. It is different because you are you.

Feel free to call me mafia, feel free to say my legacy is a lie. But don't accuse me of trying to tilt you when I have done nothing but treat you with respect.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:34 pm**

Why would someone sheep a santy wolfread from a slot that based their legacy read on the idea that santy pushed them all game in bad faith when santy demonstrably didn't do that, that then admits to having not even read most of the game.

And how is refusing to "reachy and frantic"?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:34 pm**

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm @Lilypetal can you only clear porscha or does it work on others too?

Sorry if already asked
was abt to post actually

if porscha doesn't respond to my ping in the next 1.5 hours I think we should just consider her outed and lunch her, otherwise I will use mech to solve her

i dont want to out the specifics tho

Works for me

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:35 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:28 pm And there goes Alison first of her name. Producer of legacies 26 hrs before eod that have lies in them who switches from townlocking mac to scumlocking him because he doesn't agree to sheep 2 reads based on poor logic.
I produced the legacy when the poll was set to close in 2 hours. The host later clarified it was an error and amended the deadline, but I'd already written most of it so I just posted it.

Should I call you lock scum for misrepresenting the context of me posting that legacy then?

Nah that would just be more scummy reductionism.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:36 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm y'all trying to put me on tilt lol
Am I?

I've called you mafia. We've talked about how being called mafia shouldn't constitute a personal attack.

Have I degraded you, disrespected you, or insulted your play?

If anything I am scumreading you because I think you'd play better as town. I am holding you to higher standards because I think you are a strong town player. If SuccDragon waltzes in and says they're not going to follow my legacy I'd just roll my eyes and not change my read on them. It is different because you are you.

Feel free to call me mafia, feel free to say my legacy is a lie. But don't accuse me of trying to tilt you when I have done nothing but treat you with respect.

I was talking to dya.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:37 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm y'all trying to put me on tilt lol
You're a lovely and kind person

*babyrages*

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:38 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:36 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:30 pm y'all trying to put me on tilt lol
Am I?

I've called you mafia. We've talked about how being called mafia shouldn't constitute a personal attack.

Have I degraded you, disrespected you, or insulted your play?

If anything I am scumreading you because I think you'd play better as town. I am holding you to higher standards because I think you are a strong town player. If SuccDragon waltzes in and says they're not going to follow my legacy I'd just roll my eyes and not change my read on them. It is different because you are you.

Feel free to call me mafia, feel free to say my legacy is a lie. But don't accuse me of trying to tilt you when I have done nothing but treat you with respect.
I was talking to dya.

My apologies then, I thought you were referring to more than one person with "y'all"

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:41 pm**

So Seanzie is your top town?

Has Dya attempted to engage you on that since that is their top scum?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:42 pm**

What the heck is a ToS Executioner and what does it have to do with me and Rodo!?

Is it like when they tried executing luffy in one piece but couldn’t because he’s made of rubber?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:44 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:41 pm So Seanzie is your top town?

Has Dya attempted to engage you on that since that is their top scum?

Seanzie is one of my towncore yes.

I believe Dya has expressed some suspicion/"that's weird" on me because of my confidence Seanzie is scum despite his scummy play.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:44 pm**

Executioner is a 3p role that at the start of the game assigns you a target (had a setting for any alignment or town only in sc2 arcade mafia at least) and you "won" when your target was successfully elimmed. If they were NKed you "lost"

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:45 pm**

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:42 pm What the heck is a ToS Executioner and what does it have to do with me and Rodo!?

Is it like when they tried executing luffy in one piece but couldn’t because he’s made of rubber?

It's like when they executed Gol D. Roger but before they did he went on a rant about how he left his treasure in one piece and inspired all the pirates to search for it.

Gol D. Roger is me, the treasure rant is my legacy, and the other pirates are the town players.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:52 pm**

So your logic is I am executioner, rodo is my target, but executioner would only have a town target, therefore if rodo is mafia I am town??

One piece!

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:53 pm**

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:52 pm So your logic is I am executioner, rodo is my target, but executioner would only have a town target, therefore if rodo is mafia I am town??

One piece!

yeah

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:54 pm**

Lol why Rodo!?

One piece

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:57 pm**

I'm a lot more cuter now.
I need to look good for the cameras after I obtain the pelt of Alison *yawn*

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:59 pm**

@Alison your legacy literally said Santy was mafia because he was pushing you all game in bad faith.

I pointed out that that is not accurate.

If you want me to sheep you on Santy in the event of a green check, all I would ask for is an actually sound case instead of appealing to authority.

And frankly if you are town, Nanook accepting your appeal to authority is very suspicious because accepting an Alison appeal to authority for specifically him is much more likely only something he'd do to benefit a wolf wincon. I would expect town Nanook to be his usual stubborn self.

@Lilypetal if you have the mechanical ability to check Porscha and only Porscha, being willing to forgo it in 1.5 hrs or whatever doesn't seem reasonable to me. Particularly given you were hard townreading Porscha last time they were in the thread and I don't think you scumread Porscha for lack of volume.

Dya if you are town, the way you've treated me this game is essentially townreading me for being a moron and treating me like a moron. I hope that next time we play together that you don't do that because it's offensive. Or you're a wolf in which case fine.

This has been a reachy and frantic mac post.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:59 pm**

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:57 pm I'm a lot more cuter now.
I need to look good for the cameras after I obtain the pelt of Alison *yawn*

omg i love ur pfp

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:00 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:59 pm @Alison your legacy literally said Santy was mafia because he was pushing you all game in bad faith.

I pointed out that that is not accurate.

If you want me to sheep you on Santy in the event of a green check, all I would ask for is an actually sound case instead of appealing to authority.

And frankly if you are town, Nanook accepting your appeal to authority is very suspicious because accepting an Alison appeal to authority for specifically him is much more likely only something he'd do to benefit a wolf wincon. I would expect town Nanook to be his usual stubborn self.

@Lilypetal if you have the mechanical ability to check Porscha and only Porscha, being willing to forgo it in 1.5 hrs or whatever doesn't seem reasonable to me. Particularly given you were hard townreading Porscha last time they were in the thread and I don't think you scumread Porscha for lack of volume.

Dya if you are town, the way you've treated me this game is essentially townreading me for being a moron and treating me like a moron. I hope that next time we play together that you don't do that because it's offensive. Or you're a wolf in which case fine.

This has been a reachy and frantic mac post.

I am not outing the specifics of my ability. Just saying if she's in antispew there's no reason not to just chop her

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:00 pm**

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:57 pm I'm a lot more cuter now.
I need to look good for the cameras after I obtain the pelt of Alison *yawn*

Looking good!

Like nami ste from one piece

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:01 pm**

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:02 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:24 am @Lilypetal if ur roles related to a claim is there any world where u can use it on alison while we resolve porcha via votes? or can it only be porcha?
Only porscha. I imagine an alison wagon would give us more info on alignments anyway tbh

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