The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:The real reason I voted for you early was that you potentially outed Amy Pond after I specifically responded to your first insane attempt, warning you against it. Don't do that, that's classic unCivvielike behaviour. Shame on you, so blatant, just out in public like that.

It directly followed what looks like a really waffley, changing, overly verbal explanation of why you survived, which I agree was supicious. Why jump around like that if you're not hiding something? I dunno, but that factor added weight to the idea you were the guy for me, easy enough to go with due to my elevated anger toward you from the Amy Pond Incident.

Then there is the fact that you and keys were high up in my own case, The Case Of The Role-Blocked Ruffian. Makes it that much easier for me to say, "Let's lynch this guy. Maybe I'm right. That would be awesome!"

Your worrying that the lynch was going to end early was the icing on the cake, it's like, this dude is saying "please don't vote me, I think they're gonna end it early on me, help!", and I was like, "Not today, dude. Today I do what you don't want, because you upset me. Stop this silly lynch talk, Chicken Little."

.... so that's my most honest and exacting explanation of why it is that my vote is still sitting on your ass, Chris. I assure you that it is as perfect an explanation as I can recollect from this morning. You know how it is.

I'm going to leave that vote right where it is for now. Feel free to keep reacting in whatever way you think is sound.

S~V~S wrote:Most of what you have said about Chris made sense to me. You had some good points, and I also did not love the Amy Pond thing. This post fairly summarizes what you said that I agreed with.

I have since unvoted Chris, though, since I am starting to think he may be sincere. He said something I can understand, and I am willing to give him the BOTD at this time.

Long Con wrote:The real reason I voted for you early was that you potentially outed Amy Pond after I specifically responded to your first insane attempt, warning you against it. Don't do that, that's classic unCivvielike behaviour. Shame on you, so blatant, just out in public like that.

It directly followed what looks like a really waffley, changing, overly verbal explanation of why you survived, which I agree was supicious. Why jump around like that if you're not hiding something? I dunno, but that factor added weight to the idea you were the guy for me, easy enough to go with due to my elevated anger toward you from the Amy Pond Incident.

Then there is the fact that you and keys were high up in my own case, The Case Of The Role-Blocked Ruffian. Makes it that much easier for me to say, "Let's lynch this guy. Maybe I'm right. That would be awesome!"

Your worrying that the lynch was going to end early was the icing on the cake, it's like, this dude is saying "please don't vote me, I think they're gonna end it early on me, help!", and I was like, "Not today, dude. Today I do what you don't want, because you upset me. Stop this silly lynch talk, Chicken Little."

.... so that's my most honest and exacting explanation of why it is that my vote is still sitting on your ass, Chris. I assure you that it is as perfect an explanation as I can recollect from this morning. You know how it is.

I'm going to leave that vote right where it is for now. Feel free to keep reacting in whatever way you think is sound.

Epignosis wrote:Sorry...can't defend....Internet....being.............wired....I MEAN....WEIRD....gah!

Chris wrote:

Black Rock wrote:*glares at Chris*

Chris wrote:Jesus keys, don't vote for me.

I don't want to quit. There are so many players who just aren't even playing. Why take out an actual participating player? Is that what this game has come to? Participators are killed, and non posters live?

That's not a fun game. I want to live and hunt baddies. That's a fun game.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Sorry...can't defend....Internet....being.............wired....I MEAN....WEIRD....gah!

I'm tempted to vote for you just for this.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Sorry...can't defend....Internet....being.............wired....I MEAN....WEIRD....gah!

I'm tempted to vote for you just for this.

Making a joke?

Ah, but your ignoring my post is acceptable though.

Um, you're lazy and get back to work!

keys56000000000 wrote:I just want the Cybermen, and The Master, and whoever it is that's recruiting people, to know that I do not fear them. The Doctor has let me into his life and I love him. He will show me the way. Even if I die, the civilians in this town will triumph. I have faith. I believe.

bea wrote:They decided that Chris was not the one to satisfy their lust today...

bea wrote:[b
Roxy has been Lynched. She was Dalek 2. She was Recruited. You have 24 hours to do what you need to do.
The Daleks have been Exterminated. [/b]

Hedgeowl wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:DFaraday, Hedge's post actually reminded me about something I meant to comment on earlier.


Can you explain the following:

In this post, you said you didn't see anything about Made that caused suspicion. You said nothing about Made seemed baddie.

What changed when you made this post? You didn't make any posts about Made in the interim. I'm confused as to how you got to that thought.

The bandwagon that led to Snow Dog 1.0's death read to me like a save attempt, and I still wonder whether it was. That was the biggest thing which sent me in Made's direction (then his inconsistent behavior and self vote just dug him deeper in my view).

Hedge, I don't have any real grounds for believing that they are teammates, but I did (and do) feel pretty confident that Made was bad, and I was wary of Enrqiue. I had a thought that the shenanigans yesterday might have been some kind of a ploy between the two of them to ensure Made's survival, and thus thought the teammates idea had some merit. The more I think about it, the less Enrique's NK survival makes sense in that scenario, though.

Before anyone says anything about it: Yes, I'm changing my view on something. Because I thought about it further and didn't come to the same conclusion as I did before.

Df - you asked for clarification on what i was wary of. It was your sureness of made an enri as teammies in thread, having not been very involved at all, and then the sudden thread takeover of the idea that they were teammates. When you were questioned about it you backtrack in this post, but then say that you rethought they are not teammates, after Made voted to save himself making it seem like a team save. Then you vote enrique the next lynch, but dont post why that i could find.

Overall reading throught df's posts he seems to leave the door open to suspecting everyone. The same in the Epi v. mm lynch. He voted mm, but still suspected epi. It justs doesnt feel right to me and i think you are cyber.

keys56000000000 wrote:Oh fuck yes! Exterminated! Told you I'd avenge you, fingersplints <3

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

CyberHead Role Description wrote:If you manage to find your body (a randomly determined event) at some point in the game, you gain an extra amount of votes for the next lynch determined by how many members of your team are still alive.

Ok, so maybe the extra votes can go where the Cyber Head didn't publicly vote. So I'm no more exonerated from being the Head than anyone else, and looking at the MM voters doesn't mean nearly as much. Why are you so sure the Cyber Head has even found its body? It's randomly determined. I picture something like one player in the game has the Body, and the Head searches one per night for it. Or some variation on that sort of 'Searchy' role.

Wait, so if the Cyber Head doesn't have to vote where the extra votes are, then Chris please explain to me how the Civvies can have an advantage from revealing the lynch info? How do we catch the baddie in that "hope we got lucky devil's advocate" thing keys posted?

The Cyber Head cannot privately change any or all of his extra votes. All of his votes are based on whoever he publicly votes for in the lynch poll.

Chris wrote:MP, just remember, when I'm lynched and shown to be Sarah or jack, your MK survival will become all the more suspicious.

You know it will.

Chris wrote:At least after I die someone surviving a NK will have one less civvies role to try to claim.

Good luck civvies folks, you'll need it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Chris wrote:MP, just remember, when I'm lynched and shown to be Sarah or jack, your MK survival will become all the more suspicious.

You know it will.

Seriously, Chris? Mine will, but not BR and Elo? Especially since I gave a full explanation that it was related to my prize? And that even though I didn't expect the hosts to confirm, they practically did once keys complained about splints dying and they responded saying she only recruited one person?

Your fixation on me and your NO U and panicked defenses aren't doing the civvies any favors, on the extreme off chance you are actually a civvie.

Now see you folks whenever.

Long Con wrote:MP: Black Rock survived because her killer was roleblocked.

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I went back through keys' posts to find one that I wanted to respond to (the Civvie secret decoding one), and I found another that I think got lost in the shuffle. I'll just address both in one post for efficiency.

keys56000000000 wrote:If it was indeed a Cyber that manipulated the vote and not Amy, then maybe it follows that Epignosis is a Cyber..

This concept seemed a lot more relevant when I was going on the assumption that the Cyber Head could just manipulate votes every lynch. Since the manipulation only happens ONCE in the game, and that's during the lynch directly after he randomly finds his body, I find it a) very unlikely that the Cybers messed with that lynch at all, and therefore b) unlikely that we can connect Epig to the Cyber team based on that manipulated vote.

keys56000000000 wrote:It's times like this that I wish we'd decode the civvie roles. I know what you're going to say, herrp don't give the mafia civvie info derpp. Here's the thing: the mafia are teams. They will have worked on those secret hangmans more than any individual player can, because they can work together, sharing info. I'm lazy. I have no one to work with. The result is that the mafia teams have probably cracked the secrets already, whilst a bunch of lonely civs such as myself have nothing, working in the dark.

I agree with keys. I just glanced at the Civvie secrets and decoded a lot on a single read-through. The baddies certainly have them all decoded by now.

I don't recall any responses to keys here, but I would like to hear some now. I'll be posting some Civvie role decodes in the thread when I get a chance to do them, so if you have a problem with that, let it be known before that happens and we'll talk about it.

Long Con wrote:And, just because I was not aware, due to not paying attention to Strax's actions.... it appears Strax only kills on even nights. I realize that probably everyone knew this and will be, like, "THANKS, LC, for that pertinent info!" but... well, I only just got it.

And Elohcin survived a Strax kill. That's why she's not a suspect for having survived, it's because she's likely a Civvie because of it. So if Chris is a Civvie, then Strax has one more failsafe Civvie-kill-fail before he becomes dangerous to Civvies.

I wonder which baddie Made was?

All thoughts that I'm late to the party for, I'm sure.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Actually, you know what? Disregard what I said. I thought about this more. If Chris is The Master, he will just survive this lynch anyway. So if he is, maybe we should see if he gets NKed again. Additionally, the strict focus on him today, while it left less for me to catch up, makes it easier for baddies to just skate by today and latch onto a Chris vote. And although I really don't think he is Sarah Jane, or even Jack, there is the possibility that he is in fact that role and the first killer was blocked. AND although I think Chris's defense is very unconvincing and inadequate, at least in my opinion, I reserve the opinion that it means he could still be a lone civvie, just a very, very misguided one.

I've also been really thinking about Rox. Her recent fixation on Epig 2.0 even though she was being hypocritical... in an effort to seem like she's genuinely baddie hunting. Then I thought about why I found her suspicious REALLY early in the game and I just don't know that I think she's legitimately baddie hunting this game... maybe she is, but I think she honestly is our best lead at a Cyber at this point. The remainder of the game other than Epig 2.0, she has suspected Hedgeowl HARD but then dropped it completely and I've asked her SEVERAL TIMES why she has and she has failed to address my concern. I wonder if it was maybe distancing or a convenient target and she was hoping to drum up this case on Epig 2.0 instead. In addition, she latched onto mine and S~V~S's case that Daisy was bad earlier in the game because she was convinced the fact that both of us agreeing meant we were onto something. Her behavior has been really latchy and sneaky this game. If you don't believe me, go look for yourself and see if I'm right or off the mark.

Additionally, potentially cracking the Cybermen makes more sense. And a main reason I was sticking with Chris and not voting her today is because I haven't had the time to properly look back at Rox's posts. But I'm not going to let that make me ignore my gut. So you know what? Screw it. I really think Rox is bad. If Chris really is The Master, let another NK determine that. Let's not waste a lynch today, even if he is, because it'll just fail anyway, and then we'll have to either lynch him again or NK him.

On this note, again, I realize I haven't had the time to build a proper case, but I feel more confident in voting for Roxy. So I am switching my vote to her. I think people should look at her in more detail if they have the time.

NOW I really have to go because I have so much to do. Be back later!

Chris wrote:Some thing that give me pause on my "MP is The Master and recruiting everyone in the game" theory...

- The 2 remaining unknown roles. (It says "secret roles", plural, in the roles list. There are 29 known roles, and 31 players)
- The Master's secrets appear to be completed, and say nothing about recruitment other than Lucy Saxon.

Now, it does say "Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target." Hypnotist could lead me to believe he can then recruit people... but I think I'm reaching there.


So does that mean there is ANOTHER Indy role that is unknown and secretly recruiting players? (That would be 1 of the unknown roles)

And then could the last unknown role be the body that the CyberHead is looking for? I didn't think so, since the head finding the body would give the head more votes, but that would also give the body a vote to add to the CyberMen as well. I felt like that didn't add up... but I suppose it's a possibility.

sabie12 wrote:Yay! We got all the Daleks! I was wary of Roxy for awhile there. I am voting salad because I'm trying to eat healthier and I'm craving a delicious salad right now. Still unsure about Chris and how he survived those two attempts on his life. I guess we shall see how things go.

Chris wrote:Some thing that give me pause on my "MP is The Master and recruiting everyone in the game" theory...

- The 2 remaining unknown roles. (It says "secret roles", plural, in the roles list. There are 29 known roles, and 31 players)
- The Master's secrets appear to be completed, and say nothing about recruitment other than Lucy Saxon.

Now, it does say "Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target." Hypnotist could lead me to believe he can then recruit people... but I think I'm reaching there.


So does that mean there is ANOTHER Indy role that is unknown and secretly recruiting players? (That would be 1 of the unknown roles)

And then could the last unknown role be the body that the CyberHead is looking for? I didn't think so, since the head finding the body would give the head more votes, but that would also give the body a vote to add to the CyberMen as well. I felt like that didn't add up... but I suppose it's a possibility.

Dom wrote:

sabie12 wrote:Yay! We got all the Daleks! I was wary of Roxy for awhile there. I am voting salad because I'm trying to eat healthier and I'm craving a delicious salad right now. Still unsure about Chris and how he survived those two attempts on his life. I guess we shall see how things go.

Dom wrote:

sabie12 wrote:Yay! We got all the Daleks! I was wary of Roxy for awhile there. I am voting salad because I'm trying to eat healthier and I'm craving a delicious salad right now. Still unsure about Chris and how he survived those two attempts on his life. I guess we shall see how things go.

Dom wrote:

Chris wrote:Some thing that give me pause on my "MP is The Master and recruiting everyone in the game" theory...

- The 2 remaining unknown roles. (It says "secret roles", plural, in the roles list. There are 29 known roles, and 31 players)
- The Master's secrets appear to be completed, and say nothing about recruitment other than Lucy Saxon.

Now, it does say "Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target." Hypnotist could lead me to believe he can then recruit people... but I think I'm reaching there.


So does that mean there is ANOTHER Indy role that is unknown and secretly recruiting players? (That would be 1 of the unknown roles)

And then could the last unknown role be the body that the CyberHead is looking for? I didn't think so, since the head finding the body would give the head more votes, but that would also give the body a vote to add to the CyberMen as well. I felt like that didn't add up... but I suppose it's a possibility.

Considering we have decoded The Master's secrets, and it only says he searches for Lucy, not mass recruitments. You sure are fixated on The Master though! Seems a bit powerful to have so many protections, a kill, and recruitments.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Interesting analysis, Epig 2.0. I think it'd be even better if MM were a Cyberman, but I still think he's probably a Dalek. I won't argue either way though!

I'm intrigued by your read of Blooper because I've wondered about her.

Gotrees is on my short list of players to examine after MM flips because, even though he is new, fun to play with, and has been helpful, I fear he might be bad.

Not sure about JC 2.0, Dom, or Rox, but I'm not feeling bad vibes from any of them at the moment.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Actually, you know what? Disregard what I said. I thought about this more. If Chris is The Master, he will just survive this lynch anyway. So if he is, maybe we should see if he gets NKed again. Additionally, the strict focus on him today, while it left less for me to catch up, makes it easier for baddies to just skate by today and latch onto a Chris vote. And although I really don't think he is Sarah Jane, or even Jack, there is the possibility that he is in fact that role and the first killer was blocked. AND although I think Chris's defense is very unconvincing and inadequate, at least in my opinion, I reserve the opinion that it means he could still be a lone civvie, just a very, very misguided one.

I've also been really thinking about Rox. Her recent fixation on Epig 2.0 even though she was being hypocritical... in an effort to seem like she's genuinely baddie hunting. Then I thought about why I found her suspicious REALLY early in the game and I just don't know that I think she's legitimately baddie hunting this game... maybe she is, but I think she honestly is our best lead at a Cyber at this point. The remainder of the game other than Epig 2.0, she has suspected Hedgeowl HARD but then dropped it completely and I've asked her SEVERAL TIMES why she has and she has failed to address my concern. I wonder if it was maybe distancing or a convenient target and she was hoping to drum up this case on Epig 2.0 instead. In addition, she latched onto mine and S~V~S's case that Daisy was bad earlier in the game because she was convinced the fact that both of us agreeing meant we were onto something. Her behavior has been really latchy and sneaky this game. If you don't believe me, go look for yourself and see if I'm right or off the mark.

Additionally, potentially cracking the Cybermen makes more sense. And a main reason I was sticking with Chris and not voting her today is because I haven't had the time to properly look back at Rox's posts. But I'm not going to let that make me ignore my gut. So you know what? Screw it. I really think Rox is bad. If Chris really is The Master, let another NK determine that. Let's not waste a lynch today, even if he is, because it'll just fail anyway, and then we'll have to either lynch him again or NK him.

On this note, again, I realize I haven't had the time to build a proper case, but I feel more confident in voting for Roxy. So I am switching my vote to her. I think people should look at her in more detail if they have the time.

NOW I really have to go because I have so much to do. Be back later!

Chris wrote:MP, you suspecting anyone in this game doesn't mean anything..you basically suspected every single player in this game.