The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:09 am**

Sorsha wrote:To ensure our safety after eliminating the Cabal, MM needs to go first. I don't see a way around it.

And is there a way to remove a player from the poll in the hall of mirrors? If there is then maybe there are fewer circle than I thought.

There are several ways around it.
- Circle NKs MM
- Circle NKs SVS
- We eliminate Circle and lynch SVS

Name 1 dead Circle. Name 2 dead Circles.

Tbh you aren't doing a very good job convincing me you aren't Circle after all. I don't want to believe it, but this doesn't sound like a Sorsha trying to get a civ win.

Your plan atm is the following:
- lynch a role nobody needs dead
- let the Circle NK someone
- lynch SVS
- let the Circle NK someone
- at which point we have 7 players alive including 3-4 Circle members. If there's 4 it's game over. If it's 3 we have to hope Skrippletitz is dead or it's game over.

How is this a better plan than lynching one of the Circle Jerks today?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:13 am**

Golden wrote:Looks like the trickster is a townie.

Tranq made a point.. how do you know this reval won't be a lie? But my gut says there is nothing in the trickster's role that would cause this host reveal to be a lie. And, I kind of wonder if some of the anti-trickster vote sentiment was from people who were a little afraid that we would find out the trickster wasn't bad.

I'm glad to see fingersplints survive, and I'd like to know if she has any inclination as to who tried to kill her.

I do actually.

I think it was SVS. But if not her, Tranq.
Made a mistake trying to NK me

Tranq - can you tell me why it was SVS and not you who tried to kill me? SVS - same question about Tranq

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:18 am**

Yes i can. We weren't on the same square anymore when the kill attempt happened

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:21 am**

That is an acceptable answer.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:30 am**

Tranq wrote:
Sorsha wrote:To ensure our safety after eliminating the Cabal, MM needs to go first. I don't see a way around it.

And is there a way to remove a player from the poll in the hall of mirrors? If there is then maybe there are fewer circle than I thought.
There are several ways around it.
- Circle NKs MM
- Circle NKs SVS
- We eliminate Circle and lynch SVS

Name 1 dead Circle. Name 2 dead Circles.

Tbh you aren't doing a very good job convincing me you aren't Circle after all. I don't want to believe it, but this doesn't sound like a Sorsha trying to get a civ win.

Your plan atm is the following:
- lynch a role nobody needs dead
- let the Circle NK someone
- lynch SVS
- let the Circle NK someone
- at which point we have 7 players alive including 3-4 Circle members. If there's 4 it's game over. If it's 3 we have to hope Skrippletitz is dead or it's game over.

How is this a better plan than lynching one of the Circle Jerks today?

This is why I can't be left alone Tranq! :P I blame you for going and getting yourself killed.

Ok, so if we lynch TH today there shouldn't be enough left to get timmer off the poll tomorrow and we can lynch him tomorrow.

How do we know the circle will kill mm and svs though?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:34 am**

We don't. But it beats the alternative

Aye, i agree. Once Timmer is on the poll again he should only have 1 teammate left. At that point we should consider the Cabal situation again.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:35 am**

fingersplints wrote:That is an acceptable answer.

How acceptable - because... to me this matters very much. If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

And that also means... that I think tranq was right all along, and the trickster could fool us even in voting for them on the poll.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:39 am**

Golden wrote:If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

You can't be serious

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:41 am**

Tranq wrote:
Golden wrote:If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.
You can't be serious

You do know MMs role, right? Or believe you do?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:42 am**

I don't think anyone paying attention to the thread can be in doubt of MM's role.

Did you read the conversation i just had with Sorsha?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:45 am**

Tranq wrote:I don't think anyone paying attention to the thread can be in doubt of MM's role.

Did you read the conversation i just had with Sorsha?

You mean... about how we get some circle and then double back on SVS later?

I would be up for that too... who do you think is the best first lynch if we go circle first...

The thing is... if SVS is trickster, and with MM in the field... I could see it being 3 v 3 right now, and one team has a potential serial killer. Thats why I think going that way isn't a bad idea. I wouldn't advocate then immediately lynching SVS the next day... its a tight needle to thread.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:56 am**

TH ofcourse. I've already voted for him

The SK is a SK without a K atm. Vanilla, basically. How are you getting a 3 v 3 scenario? Who's the extra Cabal? Who's the dead Circle? I had Typhoony down as a dead Circle for a while but now i doubt that's true. They might even have their full team intact. I don't see how anything other than a Circle lynch today is a good plan.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:04 am**

Golden wrote:
fingersplints wrote:That is an acceptable answer.
How acceptable - because... to me this matters very much. If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

And that also means... that I think tranq was right all along, and the trickster could fool us even in voting for them on the poll.

Unless Tranq is lying...and I guess it's possible he killed me and then ran away. I know when I set the beacon off I was very specific about order of operations. Others could be as well. This was exactly the kind of answer I would expect from a civvie though. Well thought out and rational. Baddie Tranq is very capable of pulling off this tone but as it happens I already found SVS more suspicious of the two.

MM could be another contender for the killer. So I wouldn't put some SVS connection out of the question. I actually have to reread all this MM stuff. I'm the worst with roles. I have an idea for a role/affiliation based on the thread, but idk which one it is because I can't keep the names straight.

its my husbands birthday today so not sure how much I will be around will try to get a better grips on MM later

Also, it's very clear TH has given up as well. I'm voting th, although I wish I could return the vote Timmer

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:39 am**

Tranq wrote:TH ofcourse. I've already voted for him

The SK is a SK without a K atm. Vanilla, basically. How are you getting a 3 v 3 scenario? Who's the extra Cabal? Who's the dead Circle? I had Typhoony down as a dead Circle for a while but now i doubt that's true. They might even have their full team intact. I don't see how anything other than a Circle lynch today is a good plan.

Do you know Typhoony's role? I do think he is likely their fourth.

Who is extra cabal... honestly, maybe you. Yes, I know they apparently killed you. But then you came back, and went hard after Floyd, who I think could have been the trickster target. But not necessarily you. I think I'm getting to that paranoid point. I just think if SVS is on that team, she is the trickster, and I feel more confident that there is likely another person on that team.

At the same time, I get your point tranq... I'm paranoid about any option. Two days ago, I thought we had four people to lynch and the game would be done. Now, I feel like we are on the edge of a loss, and I definitely feel it's partly my fault.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:28 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorsha

Congrats on not dying fingerplints.
No U
You're obviously bad. A civ Sorsha would not benefit from lynching me.

Anyone with a civ role would benefit from lynching a de facto baddie.

Tranq wrote:lol @ the random votes already. Timmer is off the poll again. Again, was anyone asked if they wanted to take him off the poll? He has to have 2 or 3 teammates helping him out.

We need a landslide Circle lynch today or the game will be over soon. TH is our best bet at that, let's just hope he isn't Scrippleskitz.
Dom: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
Sorsha: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
MM: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.

Timmer's teammates are probably TH? Maybe Sorsha.

fingersplints wrote:
Golden wrote:Looks like the trickster is a townie.

Tranq made a point.. how do you know this reval won't be a lie? But my gut says there is nothing in the trickster's role that would cause this host reveal to be a lie. And, I kind of wonder if some of the anti-trickster vote sentiment was from people who were a little afraid that we would find out the trickster wasn't bad.

I'm glad to see fingersplints survive, and I'd like to know if she has any inclination as to who tried to kill her.
I do actually. I think it was SVS. But if not her, Tranq.
Made a mistake trying to NK me

Tranq - can you tell me why it was SVS and not you who tried to kill me? SVS - same question about Tranq

FWIW, I think SVS tried to kill you and not Tranq as well.

Tranq wrote:I don't think anyone paying attention to the thread can be in doubt of MM's role.

Did you read the conversation i just had with Sorsha?

But why would Circle kill them? I don't expect them to cooperate with us.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:33 am**

I don't know if Tranq is stupid enough to kill someone on the same square as he is, but I am not. Even if I had a kill, which I don't.

So Dom, who told you about MMs role?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:45 am**

Tell me how I've given up Tranq. Tell me how I'm timmer's teammate.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:50 am**

S~V~S wrote:I don't know if Tranq is stupid enough to kill someone on the same square as he is, but I am not. Even if I had a kill, which I don't.

So Dom, who told you about MMs role?

What does that mean, why would it be stupid to kill someone you shared a square with? The dead cannot talk. What if there was no one else in range for you to kill?

This whole post is WIFOM.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:02 am**

S~V~S wrote:I don't know if Tranq is stupid enough to kill someone on the same square as he is, but I am not. Even if I had a kill, which I don't.

So Dom, who told you about MMs role?

Weren't you after TH for using Wifom????

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:19 am**

Sorsha wrote:Is there a way to get off the poll at the hall of mirrors?

Theortically, it''s possible. I don't know if that part of that role would be included.

Tranq wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Tranq wrote:lol @ the random votes already. Timmer is off the poll again. Again, was anyone asked if they wanted to take him off the poll? He has to have 2 or 3 teammates helping him out.

We need a landslide Circle lynch today or the game will be over soon. TH is our best bet at that, let's just hope he isn't Scrippleskitz.
Dom: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
Sorsha: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
MM: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
Is TH confirmed baddie?

What do you think of SVS, MM and LoRab?
Yes he is imo. Have you read his latest posts? He and Timmer aren't even bothering anymore

SVS - Cabal
MM - a role i don't need dead to win. A role you don't need dead either.
LoRab - probably Circle. If y'all had voted Master Thief in the night poll, i could've been more sure. Now i'm wondering if you could fit in LoRab's slot. Or Dom.

What's your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates?

Not circle. What role do you have me slotted for?

And if you have me as anything other than civ, you're wrong.

I don't think we can depend on Circle to take care of kills for us.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:21 am**

Tranq, why do you trust that the Circle will do the civvie's job?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:16 am**

S~V~S wrote:I don't know if Tranq is stupid enough to kill someone on the same square as he is, but I am not. Even if I had a kill, which I don't.

It had to have been one of you.

who do you think tried to kill me?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:22 am**

Turnip Head wrote:Tell me how I've given up Tranq. Tell me how I'm timmer's teammate.

I thought you did too with that vote for golden

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:23 am**

Dom wrote:Tranq, why do you trust that the Circle will do the civvie's job?

I don't think we should trust them to do it either, but I don't know which team we would be better to lynch either.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:25 am**

Tranq, you clever bunny. I will contribute to a TH lynch, of course.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:26 am**

I agree that the Circle is the best rout today. Why risk giving one team a nightly kill this early.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:26 am**

That was a ? obviously.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:29 am**

fingersplints wrote:
Dom wrote:Tranq, why do you trust that the Circle will do the civvie's job?
I don't think we should trust them to do it either, but I don't know which team we would be better to lynch either.

Cabal.
Why?
Because if we mislynch and vote SVS we're in a world of hurt.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:44 am**

So TH? Because still no Timmer. Too bad I used that beacon. I could have blown up timmers square.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:45 am**

There has to be a way around this poll thing.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:55 am**

Oh wait cabal was last night. I'm confused who you think we should lynch then if you don't want SVS.

I'm getting roles and teams mixed up. Sorry. I'll try and get a better grasp on it tomorrow.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:02 pm**

fingersplints wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Tell me how I've given up Tranq. Tell me how I'm timmer's teammate.
I thought you did too with that vote for golden

Why would I give up?

Votes are changeable. Do you have a reason to trust Golden? I don't, and I'm wondering why nobody is talking about it. The math says he could be 100% bad, more or less.

Why do you think I'm timmer's teammate?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:03 pm**

fingersplints wrote:Oh wait cabal was last night. I'm confused who you think we should lynch then if you don't want SVS.

I'm getting roles and teams mixed up. Sorry. I'll try and get a better grasp on it tomorrow.

I'm confused about this too. If we think it's SVS why aren't we voting for her?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:35 pm**

Tranq wrote: Yes he is imo. Have you read his latest posts? He and Timmer aren't even bothering anymore

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:04 pm**

Matt wrote:

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:06 pm**

Golden wrote:
fingersplints wrote:That is an acceptable answer.
How acceptable - because... to me this matters very much. If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

And that also means... that I think tranq was right all along, and the trickster could fool us even in voting for them on the poll.

Lolwut?

There could be 4 Circle of Decay members and you want to lynch me?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:11 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
fingersplints wrote:That is an acceptable answer.
How acceptable - because... to me this matters very much. If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

And that also means... that I think tranq was right all along, and the trickster could fool us even in voting for them on the poll.
Lolwut?

There could be 4 Circle of Decay members and you want to lynch me?

Want to lynch Golden with me?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:12 pm**

That chameleon video is 100% the greatest thing I've seen in my life, more or less.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:14 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
fingersplints wrote:That is an acceptable answer.
How acceptable - because... to me this matters very much. If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

And that also means... that I think tranq was right all along, and the trickster could fool us even in voting for them on the poll.
Lolwut?

There could be 4 Circle of Decay members and you want to lynch me?
Want to lynch Golden with me?

I'd rather lynch Sorsha. She is sneaky, and has played us since the beginning. I think Golden has been similarly played. What do you think?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:19 pm**

What makes you say that? I've felt better about Sorsha's contributions than Golden's. At least she's not using basic mathematics to lynch civs.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:25 pm**

I'm a sucker for math though. :P

I guess what it comes down to is behind the scenes stuff. For some reason, everybody knows my role even though I thought it was entrusted with a couple civs. That turned out to be a lie, because everybody suddenly wants me dead even though I'm not a baddie and they know it. Draco is trustworthy in my book, but Golden and Sorsha less so.

Based on circumstances, I think it's Sorsha. I'll keep an eye on Golden, because he's definitely not been the ideal game-solver he's been expecting to be, but I think that is all a result of him trusting Sorsha.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:35 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm a sucker for math though. :P

I guess what it comes down to is behind the scenes stuff. For some reason, everybody knows my role even though I thought it was entrusted with a couple civs. That turned out to be a lie, because everybody suddenly wants me dead even though I'm not a baddie and they know it. Draco is trustworthy in my book, but Golden and Sorsha less so.

Based on circumstances, I think it's Sorsha. I'll keep an eye on Golden, because he's definitely not been the ideal game-solver he's been expecting to be, but I think that is all a result of him trusting Sorsha.

I don't want you dead.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:55 pm**

@ Golden: No, i don't know Typhoony's role.
@ LoRab: I don't have a role slotted for you. Only an alignment guess. Which may or may not be correct. Who do you think Timmer's 2-3 teammates are?

Dom wrote:But why would Circle kill them? I don't expect them to cooperate with us.

LoRab wrote:I don't think we can depend on Circle to take care of kills for us.

Dom wrote:Tranq, why do you trust that the Circle will do the civvie's job?

Looking back, i need to point out i gave seperate options on how to deal with the Cabal. I can see how they way i posted it made it look like a 3-step plan, but it isn't

Here's a better explained version:

There are several ways around having to deal with the Cabal:
1. Circle NKs MM, lynches SVS
2. OR, Circle NKs MM, NKs SVS
3. OR, we eliminate Circle and lynch SVS. The game ends with a civ win, while MM doesn't. We don't need his role dead to win the game.

and there's another (less likely) one:
4. we strategically lynch SVS by only letting roles with NK protection vote for SVS, while the rest of us spreads the vote or doesn't vote

Why would the Circle NK the Cabal? To get the only thing standing in their way to a win, the Cabal NK. Is it the option most likely to happen? No. I think option 3 is. At the very least we need to get the Circle numbers down to 2 so Timmer can be on the poll again.
Ask me again tomorrow and i might change my mind. It depends on the lynches/NKs. But as of today, Day 13, 11 players left, there's no way lynching a role we don't need dead is the best move to getting a civ win.

Draconus wrote:Tranq, you clever bunny. I will contribute to a TH lynch, of course.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:56 pm**

Dom wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Dom wrote:Tranq, why do you trust that the Circle will do the civvie's job?
I don't think we should trust them to do it either, but I don't know which team we would be better to lynch either.
Cabal.
Why?
Because if we mislynch and vote SVS we're in a world of hurt.

Explain this please.

Dom, i'll ask the same to you as i asked Sorsha:

Your plan atm is the following:
- lynch a role nobody needs dead
- let the Circle NK someone
- lynch SVS
- let the Circle NK someone
- at which point we have 7 players alive including 3-4 Circle members. If there's 4 it's game over. If it's 3 and one of them is Skrippleskitz, it's game over. If it's 3 and one of them is the Lich and he still has his lynch stop, it's game over. If it's 3 and they have 1 single vote manipulation, it's game over.

How is this a better plan than lynching one of the Circle Jerks today?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:02 pm**

@ MM: How realistic do you think the odds of a Sorsha lynch are today? I'd say pretty low, and i'm not even fully convinced she's bad atm. Vote TH if you want to lynch a Circle member.

Which reminds me. Golden, did you learn anything from your backtracking of Sorsha?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:11 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:Tell me how I've given up Tranq. Tell me how I'm timmer's teammate.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:14 pm**

Why can't MM win with the civs?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:19 pm**

I feel like everybody's playing with more info than me. Y'all must be having fun in map squares or baddie chatrooms without me. Does the math say I'm bad because a bunch of people got together on the map and trusted each other? Does Tranq know MM's role? Does Sorsha? Does Dom?

MM, why do people who you think know your role want you dead?

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:27 pm**

Tranq wrote:@ MM: How realistic do you think the odds of a Sorsha lynch are today? I'd say pretty low, and i'm not even fully convinced she's bad atm. Vote TH if you want to lynch a Circle member.

Still waiting for someone to, like, build a case on me or something. Repeatedly calling me a baddie won't make it true.

Posted: **Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:29 pm**

Tranq wrote:@ MM: How realistic do you think the odds of a Sorsha lynch are today? I'd say pretty low, and i'm not even fully convinced she's bad atm. Vote TH if you want to lynch a Circle member.

Which reminds me. Golden, did you learn anything from your backtracking of Sorsha?

You keep telling me I can't win, yet you want me to do what you say?

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