The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:54 pm**

I am starting to think it's Quin but I am at work and can't talk about things.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:54 pm**

Sloonei wrote:I am starting to think it's Quin but I am at work and can't talk about things.

You should probably make time.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:58 pm**

LoRab wrote:Dom, can you summarize why you think Quin is bad?

#1) Process of elimination. I am not bad. I do not think you are bad. I severely doubt INH is bad. I am leaning civ on Sloonei.

#2) He has, for many lynches now, tried to detract from almost known baddies to get me lynched. He and Sloonei both criticized me for "sitting out" lynches earlier in the game when I voted against the major trains. Quin has done so in order to try and get me lynched DESPITE Glorfindel being such an obvious baddie AND Epi admitting he is bad. This is a known strategy of their team. Epi pushed this strategy during the Glorfindel lynch to "get someone out whose vote matters". Quin wanted to lynch me because it would have won them the game. There's no other reason for his campaigning for my lynch in the face of 99+% baddies.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:00 pm**

I never criticised you for sitting out lynches. I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game. Tell me why it's a 'known' strategy of our team if I'm bad.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:09 pm**

Quin wrote:I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game.

Wait...what....

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:10 pm**

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game.
Wait...what....

I wrote that full post from the perspective that I was bad for Dom to comment on. It's not a scum slip.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:11 pm**

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game.
Wait...what....
I wrote that full post from the perspective that I was bad for Dom to comment on. It's not a scum slip.

I am not sure that makes sense.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:12 pm**

What's your perspective on Dom's case on me, LoRab?

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:13 pm**

Quin wrote:I never criticised you for sitting out lynches. I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game. Tell me why it's a 'known' strategy of our team if I'm bad.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:13 pm**

Those were all supposed to be underlined, oh well.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:15 pm**

Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:I never criticised you for sitting out lynches. I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game. Tell me why it's a 'known' strategy of our team if I'm bad.

Only the last sentence makes sense.

And that's not true.

Lynching me instead of Glorfindel would have all but assured a win for the baddies.
Same with Epi.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:16 pm**

Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:I never criticised you for sitting out lynches. I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game. Tell me why it's a 'known' strategy of our team if I'm bad.

Only the last sentence makes sense.

And that's not true.

Lynching me instead of Glorfindel would have all but assured a win for the baddies.
Same with Epi.

It is true. I voted for you and pushed your lynch starting on Day 6. We were not at Lylo then.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:17 pm**

Answer my question, Dom.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:21 pm**

If you lynched me instead of Glorfindel the game would have been over.
If you lynched me instead of Epignosis the game would have been over.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:21 pm**

Dom wrote:If you lynched me instead of Glorfindel the game would have been over.
If you lynched me instead of Epignosis the game would have been over.

No it wouldn't. You're bad.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:22 pm**

Quin wrote:Answer my question, Dom.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:23 pm**

Never mind, I'm back on the Dom train.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:24 pm**

Quin wrote:I never criticised you for sitting out lynches. I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game. Tell me why it's a 'known' strategy of our team if I'm bad.

Because Rob did the same thing?
What are you even asking?

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:24 pm**

Sloonei wrote:Never mind, I'm back on the Dom train.

Your game to lose.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:31 pm**

Quin wrote:What's your perspective on Dom's case on me, LoRab?

I think it's a valid point that you insisted on a gut/read based Dom vote when there were solid evidence based cases against both Epi and Glorf.

Does that make you bad? No. I'm often stubborn and sometimes vote outliers because I believe in my cases. But it makes me wonder.

I'm so torn on this lynch and I'm pretty sure that either Quin or Dom is bad.

I feel like friggin Wisconsin.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:41 pm**

I've been thinking about that, LoRab, but it's too painful for me tbh

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:59 pm**

My internet died for a while and now I have to go drop my brothers uniform at his work. I'll be gone for another 20 minutes or so.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:10 pm**

Quin wrote:My internet died for a while and now I have to go drop my brothers uniform at his work. I'll be gone for another 20 minutes or so.

Might be longer. He's got me going on a scavenger hunt for things that aren't where he says they are because he can't keep all his things organised. Won't answer his phone either

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:12 pm**

If LoRab is scum she is both my hero and my nemesis for life.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:17 pm**

Sloonei wrote:If LoRab is scum she is both my hero and my nemesis for life.

I am not bad in this game. I do, however, miss having a nemesis--I may have to open up applications for the position.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:42 pm**

Here's why my vote is staying on Dom (at least for the moment):

He keeps making these claims of how if he were lynched, now or even instead of Glorf or Epi, the game would be/would have been over. Mathematically, that just isn't true now, and certainly wasn't true earlier. I really think he's trying to get us to panic.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:51 pm**

I'm really curious, how is it not true????

Jay
Epi
Dom
LoRab
Quin
Sloonei
INH
5 civvies, 2 baddies.
lynch me, you're down to 4 civvies 2 baddies
Jay is killed
3 civvies 2 baddies
Except one of those civvies' votes don't matter.
Game's over. Even if you get a baddie in the next round it's
3 civvies 1 baddie
a night kill
2 civvies 1 baddie
but one of those civvie's votes don't count.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:56 pm**

Dom is right, LoRab. INH can be considered a 'non-entity' if you like, because his vote doesn't count. That's if you believe INH is Silvertongue, which I do.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:57 pm**

You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:06 pm**

LoRab wrote:You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.

The names he used don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the ratio is more important. It's true that the night kill might not be successful, but I think Dom's just painting the worst case scenario.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:15 pm**

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.
The names he used don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the ratio is more important. It's true that the night kill might not be successful, but I think Dom's just painting the worst case scenario.

But he's painting it as definitive reality. I think he's trying to paint the worst case as what will happen so that we panic.

Although, do you think that if we lynch him, the baddies almost surely win?

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:16 pm**

Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:I never criticised you for sitting out lynches. I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game. Tell me why it's a 'known' strategy of our team if I'm bad.
Because Rob did the same thing?
What are you even asking?

That doesn't tell me why it's a 'known' strategy. It sounds like you're trying to augment your case with buzz words.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:17 pm**

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.
The names he used don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the ratio is more important. It's true that the night kill might not be successful, but I think Dom's just painting the worst case scenario.
But he's painting it as definitive reality. I think he's trying to paint the worst case as what will happen so that we panic.

Although, do you think that if we lynch him, the baddies almost surely win?

I can't say whether that was what he was doing or not, but I do know that he's not strictly wrong in what he's saying.

If we lynch who? Dom? No, there's no way in hell he's town.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:32 pm**

I just want to tell you all good luck, we're counting on you.

*selfvotes*

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:32 pm**

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.
The names he used don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the ratio is more important. It's true that the night kill might not be successful, but I think Dom's just painting the worst case scenario.
But he's painting it as definitive reality. I think he's trying to paint the worst case as what will happen so that we panic.

Although, do you think that if we lynch him, the baddies almost surely win?

Yes.

Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:I never criticised you for sitting out lynches. I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game. Tell me why it's a 'known' strategy of our team if I'm bad.
Because Rob did the same thing?
What are you even asking?
That doesn't tell me why it's a 'known' strategy. It sounds like you're trying to augment your case with buzz words.

Epi carried out the exact strategy out that you are. He is a known baddie. You are using, and have been using, the same tactic as him. what is unclear here? You are being purposefully obtuse.

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.
The names he used don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the ratio is more important. It's true that the night kill might not be successful, but I think Dom's just painting the worst case scenario.
But he's painting it as definitive reality. I think he's trying to paint the worst case as what will happen so that we panic.

Although, do you think that if we lynch him, the baddies almost surely win?
I can't say whether that was what he was doing or not, but I do know that he's not strictly wrong in what he's saying.

If we lynch who? Dom? No, there's no way in hell he's town.

Says the guy who wanted to lynch me over Epi and Glorfindel.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:33 pm**

Jesus.... Quin is obfuscating.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:38 pm**

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.
The names he used don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the ratio is more important. It's true that the night kill might not be successful, but I think Dom's just painting the worst case scenario.
But he's painting it as definitive reality. I think he's trying to paint the worst case as what will happen so that we panic.

Although, do you think that if we lynch him, the baddies almost surely win?
Yes.

Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:I never criticised you for sitting out lynches. I have also been voting for you since before it would have won us the game. Tell me why it's a 'known' strategy of our team if I'm bad.
Because Rob did the same thing?
What are you even asking?
That doesn't tell me why it's a 'known' strategy. It sounds like you're trying to augment your case with buzz words.
Epi carried out the exact strategy out that you are. He is a known baddie. You are using, and have been using, the same tactic as him. what is unclear here? You are being purposefully obtuse.

Our approaches to that lynch were in no way even remotely similar, so even suggesting that its 'the exact same strategy' is just blatantly wrong. I don't even think Epi wanted you lynched that day tbqfh.

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:You're assuming that the night target would have been the same with a different lynch result, first off. Which doesn't necessarily hold true. But forget the past.

For your numbers for the present, you're assuming a successful night kill, which won't necessarily happen.
The names he used don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, the ratio is more important. It's true that the night kill might not be successful, but I think Dom's just painting the worst case scenario.
But he's painting it as definitive reality. I think he's trying to paint the worst case as what will happen so that we panic.

Although, do you think that if we lynch him, the baddies almost surely win?
I can't say whether that was what he was doing or not, but I do know that he's not strictly wrong in what he's saying.

If we lynch who? Dom? No, there's no way in hell he's town.
Says the guy who wanted to lynch me over Epi and Glorfindel.

Yup.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:39 pm**

Dom, other than MP, who allegedly buddied up to you, is there anyone in this game that you suspected, who didn't mention you as a suspect, or at least a ping, first?

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:42 pm**

Please, if yo uwant to win this game reconsider your votes.

I played a shit game and Quin played masterfully. If he's not bad then someone is fooling me hard. He has tried to end this game early on multiple occasions. Am I assuming the worst case? Yes. I want to win. I want us to win. I am a civvie. People could have searched their feelings earlier in the game and found me, but none did. I truly am alone in this game. You have seen a Dom play like crap.

Now, quin has repeatedly avoided the last two (read: all of them but elohcin) baddie lynches. Have I made the right calls always in this game? Heck no. Have I owned up to these mistakes? Yes. Quin has stood by his suspicion of me to try and end this game. He doesn't acknowledge that this is the exact strategy that Epi employed in the Glorfindel lynch. He is bad.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:42 pm**

I'm not saying epi chose me.

I'm saying Epi also said, "LOOK OVER HERE, NOT AT THE OBVIOUS BADDIE!"

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:45 pm**

LoRab wrote:Dom, other than MP, who allegedly buddied up to you, is there anyone in this game that you suspected, who didn't mention you as a suspect, or at least a ping, first?

In my first post, I get pinged by Mac

And in this post, I express suspicion of INH (incorrectly) because he brought up forced voters despite there being no evidence of such a phenomenon in this game.

Going to post these now and keep trying to remember nad search.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:47 pm**

No....not mentioning 1 thing from a player...but saying I suspect so and so and think they are bad level suspicion.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:48 pm**

In this post, I edited my read of Mac further from what I had already done because I said, "inflammatory Mac is civvie Mac".

I have been forced to talk about myself for the past 4-5 days. This makes it hard to remember that I had thoughts prior to all of this.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:49 pm**

Dom wrote:Please, if yo uwant to win this game reconsider your votes.

I played a shit game and Quin played masterfully. If he's not bad then someone is fooling me hard. He has tried to end this game early on multiple occasions. Am I assuming the worst case? Yes. I want to win. I want us to win. I am a civvie. People could have searched their feelings earlier in the game and found me, but none did. I truly am alone in this game. You have seen a Dom play like crap.

Now, quin has repeatedly avoided the last two (read: all of them but elohcin) baddie lynches. Have I made the right calls always in this game? Heck no. Have I owned up to these mistakes? Yes. Quin has stood by his suspicion of me to try and end this game. He doesn't acknowledge that this is the exact strategy that Epi employed in the Glorfindel lynch. He is bad.

I have not tried to end this game through my vote for you. You're pushing this narrative that I made you into my lylo scapegoat, which is blatantly false. I stuck to my case on you because you looked no better than they did. I own that. I won't acknowledge it's the same strategy, because it's not. I think he voted you for an attempt to gain civ cred. I voted you because you're bad.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:49 pm**

LoRab wrote:No....not mentioning 1 thing from a player...but saying I suspect so and so and think they are bad level suspicion.

#1) You asked for "even a ping". You seem to be moving the goal post here tbh.

#2) I did do that with INH.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:50 pm**

Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:Please, if yo uwant to win this game reconsider your votes.

I played a shit game and Quin played masterfully. If he's not bad then someone is fooling me hard. He has tried to end this game early on multiple occasions. Am I assuming the worst case? Yes. I want to win. I want us to win. I am a civvie. People could have searched their feelings earlier in the game and found me, but none did. I truly am alone in this game. You have seen a Dom play like crap.

Now, quin has repeatedly avoided the last two (read: all of them but elohcin) baddie lynches. Have I made the right calls always in this game? Heck no. Have I owned up to these mistakes? Yes. Quin has stood by his suspicion of me to try and end this game. He doesn't acknowledge that this is the exact strategy that Epi employed in the Glorfindel lynch. He is bad.
I have not tried to end this game through my vote for you. You're pushing this narrative that I made you into my lylo scapegoat, which is blatantly false. I stuck to my case on you because you looked no better than they did. I own that. I won't acknowledge it's the same strategy, because it's not. I think he voted you for an attempt to gain civ cred. I voted you because you're bad.

Weird how you both have the same record on the day where the baddie count went from 2-1.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:51 pm**

Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:Please, if yo uwant to win this game reconsider your votes.

I played a shit game and Quin played masterfully. If he's not bad then someone is fooling me hard. He has tried to end this game early on multiple occasions. Am I assuming the worst case? Yes. I want to win. I want us to win. I am a civvie. People could have searched their feelings earlier in the game and found me, but none did. I truly am alone in this game. You have seen a Dom play like crap.

Now, quin has repeatedly avoided the last two (read: all of them but elohcin) baddie lynches. Have I made the right calls always in this game? Heck no. Have I owned up to these mistakes? Yes. Quin has stood by his suspicion of me to try and end this game. He doesn't acknowledge that this is the exact strategy that Epi employed in the Glorfindel lynch. He is bad.
I have not tried to end this game through my vote for you. You're pushing this narrative that I made you into my lylo scapegoat, which is blatantly false. I stuck to my case on you because you looked no better than they did. I own that. I won't acknowledge it's the same strategy, because it's not. I think he voted you for an attempt to gain civ cred. I voted you because you're bad.
Weird how you both have the same record on the day where the baddie count went from 2-1.

What does this mean?

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:52 pm**

Role hinting? I don't buy it. Sorry, Dom. You almost had me convinced. But that feels more desperate baddie than desperate civ than I expect from you.

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:No....not mentioning 1 thing from a player...but saying I suspect so and so and think they are bad level suspicion.
#1) You asked for "even a ping". You seem to be moving the goal post here tbh.

#2) I did do that with INH.

I meant the ping from them, not from you. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

And ok. Thanks. I had been trying to think of others, and could only remember people that you switcherooed. Myself included.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:53 pm**

Indiglo-- LoRab.

Posted: **Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:53 pm**

LoRab wrote:Role hinting? I don't buy it. Sorry, Dom. You almost had me convinced. But that feels more desperate baddie than desperate civ than I expect from you.

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:No....not mentioning 1 thing from a player...but saying I suspect so and so and think they are bad level suspicion.
#1) You asked for "even a ping". You seem to be moving the goal post here tbh.

#2) I did do that with INH.
I meant the ping from them, not from you. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

And ok. Thanks. I had been trying to think of others, and could only remember people that you switcherooed. Myself included.

Really?
That's not your experience with me at all, is it?
Think about A World Reborn.

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