The Syndicate

It also does not escape me that some scum players could have been nightkilled at some point during this game. I am not going to operate under that assumption, but it's a possibility and it is in my mind.

Same as always, I encourage everyone to vote their top suspect as soon as they can on days with changeable votes. Let's see where the heaviest concentration is focused.
DFaraday is my #2 after Metalmarsh.

I want to be asked questions about things. Does anybody have questions for me?
is anybody here at all? I'll take up this whole dang page.

Sloonei wrote:I want to be asked questions about things. Does anybody have questions for me?
is anybody here at all? I'll take up this whole dang page.

Oo oo me me! I have a question!
How does it feel to be alive right now???

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I want to be asked questions about things. Does anybody have questions for me?
is anybody here at all? I'll take up this whole dang page.

Oo oo me me! I have a question!
How does it feel to be alive right now???

my tummy hurts

Sloonei wrote:I want to be asked questions about things. Does anybody have questions for me?
is anybody here at all? I'll take up this whole dang page.

Why is the pepper shaker happy?

Heiots wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I want to be asked questions about things. Does anybody have questions for me?
is anybody here at all? I'll take up this whole dang page.

Why is the pepper shaker happy?

It's paprika!

Sloonei wrote:I want to be asked questions about things. Does anybody have questions for me?
is anybody here at all? I'll take up this whole dang page.

I have a question (the same one I keep asking everyone): Why me?

Voting Splints for now, will evaluate MM in the morning.

I'm right here. Reevaluate me now.

DFaraday wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I want to be asked questions about things. Does anybody have questions for me?
is anybody here at all? I'll take up this whole dang page.

I have a question (the same one I keep asking everyone): Why me?

Voting Splints for now, will evaluate MM in the morning.

The general answer is that you're too quiet. That may not be entirely fair given that it's just your style, but in a game we're running out of options, you would have to admit that the guy who's been quietly floating by the whole time deserves to be scrutinized a bit more closely. I have not looked at your posts too much since my return and that is something I will need to do tomorrow.
Why splints and why metalmarsh? Why not SVS?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm right here. Reevaluate me now.

Who's getting your vote?

Dom wrote:

Act One, Scene Thirteen

ENTER JAGGEDJIMMYJAY. HE SITS ON THE APRON CS.

A CAR FLIES FROM ABOVE AND SMASHES HIM INTO BITS.


JJJ has been killed.
It is now Day 13. You have 48 Hours to lynch someone.

Oh damn. Well bye Jay, and thanks for joinging.

Sloonei wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm right here. Reevaluate me now.

Who's getting your vote?

I voted Spacedaisy for now. I still think she is on Team Wildhorn.

Sloonei wrote:It also does not escape me that some scum players could have been nightkilled at some point during this game. I am not going to operate under that assumption, but it's a possibility and it is in my mind.

If you don't operate under this assumption, that means we are currently in LYLO.

Sloonei wrote:With regards to Ninja: I was losing my mind sitting on the sidelines and watching everyone not talk about her. When I came back I wanted nothing more than to seize the opportunity to thrust her name back in the discussion. Now that I've done that I can say that she's no longer my top suspect, and I don't think there's any doubt that Golden is wrong about her role. I do not think that completely clears her and am still far from clearing her name, but I'm coming down a little bit, at least. I'm still going to consider voting for her today if I'm not dead.

I'm not sure if you are saying you think I'm wrong or right about Ninja's role, the way you've worded it.

Bye JJ - I will say at this point that although I didn't particularly want to piss you off, I did actually buy MM's case on you. But I thought you might be Bonnie & Clyde. Since I think thats who killed you, I guess I' wrong about that. Lets hope you were Webber.

@sloonei - you now have the same two suspects as me, although I'd do them in the opposite order.

I think MM made a roleclaim yesterday and I'm taking it under advisement.

I don't really have any specific questions to ask of you because at this stage I'm just in 'ruling out the baddies' mode.

linki @ MM - I believe it is literally impossible for daisy to be on wildhorn.
I'll be honest, from my perspective:

SVS, Devin, Daisy, Gumshoe were all absent at a time that three out of the possible four remaining baddies were definitely active. Only a maximum of one of these four can be bad.

I know Sloonei, Ninja and golden are good.

I'm still really down to a list of DF, splints and MM, I can't see any need to lynch off that, and I can't see any reason the civs shouldn't win from here really. if MM is honest about his role claim, then I wouldn't be surprised if DF is the phantom (kill tonight, first priority) and splints is bonnie & Clyde, and thats all that we have left to do to win.

So speaketh my spreadsheet.

Hold on, let me pull up my spreadsheet.

I'd like hear why you think Faraday is Phantom, golden, if it's something you can elaborate on.

I agree with what you have had to say about niju's role.

Sloonei wrote:I'd like hear why you think Faraday is Phantom, golden, if it's something you can elaborate on.

I agree with what you have had to say about niju's role.

Process of elimination.

Put it this way - give me any other name and I'll tell you why it isn't them.

The only other person I feel can fit at this stage is MM, so it's just a matter of whether or not anyone finds his role hint believable.

Here is an updated summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) nightkills Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bonnie & Clyde nightkills Bass_the_Clever, but Bass survives.
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - An unknown force nightkills Scotty. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn?
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.
Night 10 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Canucklehead. Sloonei is rezzed.
Night 11 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 12 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills JaggedJimmyJay.

Golden wrote:Put it this way - give me any other name and I'll tell you why it isn't them.

The only other person I feel can fit at this stage is MM, so it's just a matter of whether or not anyone finds his role hint believable.

For the sake of discussion, why not share the reasons why it's not everyone else?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here is an updated summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) nightkills Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bonnie & Clyde nightkills Bass_the_Clever, but Bass survives.
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - An unknown force nightkills Scotty. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn?
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.
Night 10 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Canucklehead. Sloonei is rezzed.
Night 11 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 12 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills JaggedJimmyJay.

night 8 should have been a Bonnie & Clyde kill, but by your estimation B&C failed to submit a nightkill. Theoretically, who are all the people that would not have been active that night? I could figure this out easily on my own, but I assume you've got the answer ready at hand

Golden wrote: linki @ MM - I believe it is literally impossible for daisy to be on wildhorn.
I'll be honest, from my perspective:

SVS, Devin, Daisy, Gumshoe were all absent at a time that three out of the possible four remaining baddies were definitely active. Only a maximum of one of these four can be bad.

I know Sloonei, Ninja and golden are good.

How do you know the underlined again?

And I don't recall what the circumstances surrounding Daisy and SVS were, but was it a time when their replacees were inactive?

To answer Sloonei (I still haven't learned how to multiquote):

It does seem a bit unsatisfying of an answer to single me out for being quiet when Daisy, SVS, and Splints have all been playing the same way. As for why Splints, I've said why before: She's been playing very blendy and without original thoughts, and also her votes tend to come very late, making them seem opportunistic. As for MM, he's been a major topic of discussion but I haven't really examined him yet, so I feel like I should.

Why not SVS? No reason, she could very well be bad. She just wasn't at the forefront of my consciousness.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:Put it this way - give me any other name and I'll tell you why it isn't them.

The only other person I feel can fit at this stage is MM, so it's just a matter of whether or not anyone finds his role hint believable.

For the sake of discussion, why not share the reasons why it's not everyone else?

Well, I mostly just did a second ago...

Golden wrote:I think MM made a roleclaim yesterday and I'm taking it under advisement.

SVS, Devin, Daisy, Gumshoe were all absent at a time that three out of the possible four remaining baddies were definitely active. Only a maximum of one of these four can be bad.

I know Sloonei, Ninja and golden are good.

I'm still really down to a list of DF, splints and MM, I can't see any need to lynch off that, and I can't see any reason the civs shouldn't win from here really. if MM is honest about his role claim, then I wouldn't be surprised if DF is the phantom (kill tonight, first priority) and splints is bonnie & Clyde, and thats all that we have left to do to win.

So speaketh my spreadsheet.

Add to that, I think I have previously done analysis in the thread as to why I think that, if DF is bad, he is most likely team webber, and analysis of why I think that, if splints is bad, she is most likely team wildhorn.

And to be expressly clear, the 'one baddie' I think the four absentees can be is Andrew Lloyd Webber, and I think we can figure out if this role is alive or not by lynching the phantom, which is why my focus has been there.

@DF - I know my role
I have reason to believe I know Ninja's role and affiliation
Sloonei was the subject of a night kill attempt by each mafia team.

I am not singling you out per se, dfaraday, but your silence is the most suspicious of that bunch imo, for reasons i highlighted in my early ISO of you. Daisy and SVS are also unique cases.
I feel like splints has been an easy target all game, and am currently leaning slightly town on her.

Sloonei wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here is an updated summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) nightkills Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bonnie & Clyde nightkills Bass_the_Clever, but Bass survives.
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - An unknown force nightkills Scotty. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn?
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.
Night 10 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Canucklehead. Sloonei is rezzed.
Night 11 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 12 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills JaggedJimmyJay.

night 8 should have been a Bonnie & Clyde kill, but by your estimation B&C failed to submit a nightkill. Theoretically, who are all the people that would not have been active that night? I could figure this out easily on my own, but I assume you've got the answer ready at hand

I don't have it handy. I just have the Day 8 votes handy. I can look it up though.

For people who know musicals: which role(s) seem like they could be possible matches for the silencer? I ask because why not?

Sloonei wrote:For people who know musicals: which role(s) seem like they could be possible matches for the silencer? I ask because why not?

No idea. My original thought was Bonnie & Clyde, because I've only been silenced once this game, and that was simultaneous to being targeted by Jekyll & Hyde.

I believe it's the phantom doing the silencing. He 'silences' people in the audience. But really it's just a stab in the dark based on theme. I was also targetted by the silencer and jekyll on the same night, so B & C could be a guess.

Golden wrote:I believe it's the phantom doing the silencing. He 'silences' people in the audience. But really it's just a stab in the dark based on theme. I was also targetted by the silencer and jekyll on the same night, so B & C could be a guess.

You were? I asked before and you said you weren't.

When did the insanifier stop being a thing? Are we assuming that was Jekyll & Hyde?

Sloonei wrote:When did the insanifier stop being a thing? Are we assuming that was Jekyll & Hyde?

I honestly don't remember the insanifier. This game has just been so long.

Sloonei wrote:When did the insanifier stop being a thing? Are we assuming that was Jekyll & Hyde?

Given we know that role, it isn't. Probably Cats (ie G-Man). After all, Dom probably considers that musical to be nonsense

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:I believe it's the phantom doing the silencing. He 'silences' people in the audience. But really it's just a stab in the dark based on theme. I was also targetted by the silencer and jekyll on the same night, so B & C could be a guess.

You were? I asked before and you said you weren't.

If I did I misunderstood the question. It was day four, the day LC was lynched. I do remember saying that I didn't think it was necessarily fact that they were working together, and that it wasn't the same role (I had specifically clarified that).

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:When did the insanifier stop being a thing? Are we assuming that was Jekyll & Hyde?

Given we know that role, it isn't. Probably Cats (ie G-Man). After all, Dom probably considers that musical to be nonsense

Is it unlikely that the role was only partially revealed to us?
This is not a major point, but

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:night 8 should have been a Bonnie & Clyde kill, but by your estimation B&C failed to submit a nightkill. Theoretically, who are all the people that would not have been active that night? I could figure this out easily on my own, but I assume you've got the answer ready at hand

I don't have it handy. I just have the Day 8 votes handy. I can look it up though.

Of the living players, only Golden, myself, nijukyugou, and S~V~S made the vote. Devin and Gumshoe were obviously inactive. Spacedaisy had not yet replaced the inactive DREAM. DFaraday and fingersplints both missed the vote, and Sloonei was still dead.


I think before we take this further, we need to figure out a consensus on the Night 8 kill. I still think it was not Team Wildhorn, but I don't know who it would have been.

@DOM: Who performed the nightkill on Night 8. Are we permitted to learn this?

Also, does anyone have any theories they want to suggest about why/how certain roles have been revealed? I assume those cryptic early game PMs had something to do with a couple of them, but not all.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:I believe it's the phantom doing the silencing. He 'silences' people in the audience. But really it's just a stab in the dark based on theme. I was also targetted by the silencer and jekyll on the same night, so B & C could be a guess.

You were? I asked before and you said you weren't.

If I did I misunderstood the question. It was day four, the day LC was lynched. I do remember saying that I didn't think it was necessarily fact that they were working together, and that it wasn't the same role (I had specifically clarified that).

I think you are correct. I do know I did not get the extra vote against me since my target was lynched (in case anyone was interested).

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:When did the insanifier stop being a thing? Are we assuming that was Jekyll & Hyde?

Given we know that role, it isn't. Probably Cats (ie G-Man). After all, Dom probably considers that musical to be nonsense

Is it unlikely that the role was only partially revealed to us?
This is not a major point, but

I think it is reasonably unlikely, but worth asking.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:night 8 should have been a Bonnie & Clyde kill, but by your estimation B&C failed to submit a nightkill. Theoretically, who are all the people that would not have been active that night? I could figure this out easily on my own, but I assume you've got the answer ready at hand

I don't have it handy. I just have the Day 8 votes handy. I can look it up though.

Of the living players, only Golden, myself, nijukyugou, and S~V~S made the vote. Devin and Gumshoe were obviously inactive. Spacedaisy had not yet replaced the inactive DREAM. DFaraday and fingersplints both missed the vote, and Sloonei was still dead.


I think before we take this further, we need to figure out a consensus on the Night 8 kill. I still think it was not Team Wildhorn, but I don't know who it would have been.

@DOM: Who performed the nightkill on Night 8. Are we permitted to learn this?

I don't know, and anything I could offer would be entirely speculative. I'm still not familiar enough typical game mechanics here to really make any sort of educated guess about what went on.
For the record, kill reveals are pretty uniform across every game on RYM (as some of you may have already noticed). The sort of flavor text featured in games here is totally new to me.

It's a normal thing here, depending on the host though. A normal game wouldn't require any kill flavor since it is obvious who is performing the kill. But in a semi-closed setup, the flavor plays a very important part I believe.

I don't feel the need for a consensus because I had B & C narrowed down to JJ and splints and now one is dead.

I'm pretty sure its splints.

Like, really

Phantom: DF or MM
B & C: splints

I'd call it 95% sure.

Golden wrote:I don't feel the need for a consensus because I had B & C narrowed down to JJ and splints and now one is dead.

I'm pretty sure its splints.

Like, really

Phantom: DF or MM
B & C: splints

I'd call it 95% sure.

Which side of the fence are you on? Do you think that Scotty was nightkilled by Wildhorn team, or do you think they missed the kill, and someone else tried to nightkill him?

Golden wrote:I don't feel the need for a consensus because I had B & C narrowed down to JJ and splints and now one is dead.

I'm pretty sure its splints.

Like, really

Phantom: DF or MM
B & C: splints

I'd call it 95% sure.

I understand that Phantom kills tonight, but if this is the case then why not go for splints today?

Looking back, fingersplints had multiple posts throughout Night 4, the night that Team Wildhorn missed there first kill.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Looking back, fingersplints had multiple posts throughout Night 4, the night that Team Wildhorn missed there first kill.

On the other hand, DFaraday did not have any posts Night 4.

Dom's posts from Nigh 8 The announcement is lacking the usual flavor text that has been accompanying the nightkills, but by that measure it would seem like Scotty just dropped dead of natural causes. That Dom corrected a "spreadsheet error" to bring him back could just suggest that he was meant to be protected somehow but that Dom forget to mark it down at first. It's a good hypothesis that this was a kill attempted by another source, but there is no proof of it, and so I am reluctant to accept it as truth.

Sloonei, should we assume it was Bonnie & Clyde though? Every other even night kill (and the odd Night 5) has been via gunshot or car.

I like the theory of natural causes better.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sloonei, should we assume it was Bonnie & Clyde though? Every other even night kill (and the odd Night 5) has been via gunshot or car.

I like the theory of natural causes better.

It is also lacking the usual evidence of being Bonnie & Clyde's doing, yes. If I had to pick a side, I'd say I'm leaning toward your theory being true, but I'm too close to 50/50 to be sure of it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Looking back, fingersplints had multiple posts throughout Night 4, the night that Team Wildhorn missed there first kill.

On the other hand, DFaraday did not have any posts Night 4.

JJ wouldn't be a bad kill from the perspective of DF.