Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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That was not me, I never thought that made much sense.DharmaHelper wrote:Question(s) to the thread:
Who was it that first brought up the idea of Roger Rabbit corrupting the Kubrick flip? Who ran with that thought process?
I believe I have theorized this before. I don't know if I was first to do so. I also thought that a post from S~V~S seemed to hint at multiple teams for the baddies. I feel like something recently made me think one big baddie team was a possibility again, but I don't remember what made me think that. I think there are probably two baddie teams, but I don't think it matters very much what the setup is, if we're not going to know a thing until the game is over.Who was it that first theorized that there was only one baddie team?
My answer is you, Ricochet. This idea is pretty much guaranteed to be unpopular, but wouldn't it be diabolical to make a role like yours that has a Seemer element, in that your Day 1 lynch reveals you as a Civvie when you are actually a baddie, with continued BTSC with the other baddies?Ricochet wrote:Questionne for everyonne:
Right now, if you could name a player you find most civvie but could potentially backstab you, who would that player be?
Well...heh.Long Con wrote:My answer is you, Ricochet. This idea is pretty much guaranteed to be unpopular, but wouldn't it be diabolical to make a role like yours that has a Seemer element, in that your Day 1 lynch reveals you as a Civvie when you are actually a baddie, with continued BTSC with the other baddies?Ricochet wrote:Questionne for everyonne:
Right now, if you could name a player you find most civvie but could potentially backstab you, who would that player be?
I only think of these things because I tend to be an evil host like that when I can, and I think it's important to consider all possibilities.
Yes, they would show up. Not how they failed, or who tried to kill whom. But there would be a bit like, "X bent over to pick up a penny as the bullet flew over his head" type of thing.Long Con wrote:Hosts: Do failed nightkills show up in nightposts?
MacDougall wrote:RIP Black Rock. That role sounds super fun.
That result strongly indicates that we've ridded ourselves of those responsible for the additional two kills each night which is a positive.
True... I forgot that.Long Con wrote:Let's not forget that HBoy's death was most likely by his own hand.
QUIT DOING THAT BADDIES!! :(Bea, since you're around-- who do you suspect?bea wrote:RIP BR. Yet again you are taken too soon from a game I get to play.
I would agree.Long Con wrote:It looks like the only real thing that has been done today are some quick JJJ votes. I did vote him already. I didn't say so in the thread, but whatever. I've certainly said everything I need to say about him, and he has made some very believable and reasonable rebuttals.
Maybe he has a team helping to reign in his aggressiveness this game?Dom wrote:I would agree.Long Con wrote:It looks like the only real thing that has been done today are some quick JJJ votes. I did vote him already. I didn't say so in the thread, but whatever. I've certainly said everything I need to say about him, and he has made some very believable and reasonable rebuttals.
LC, where do you stand on Sorsha? I'm neutral on her right now, but her name was brought up before and quietly has faded (discussion of her, not her).
Bea, I also think Matt has been quiet. Maybe he's trying something new?
If you're not convinced ther aren't 2 baddie teams... then why is ninja's vote for LoRab good for her?
I prollly effed up my phrasing. I'm sorry - I'm cooking dinner and hot toddying the FUCK out of my cold.Dom wrote:I would agree.Long Con wrote:It looks like the only real thing that has been done today are some quick JJJ votes. I did vote him already. I didn't say so in the thread, but whatever. I've certainly said everything I need to say about him, and he has made some very believable and reasonable rebuttals.
LC, where do you stand on Sorsha? I'm neutral on her right now, but her name was brought up before and quietly has faded (discussion of her, not her).
Bea, I also think Matt has been quiet. Maybe he's trying something new?
If you're not convinced ther aren't 2 baddie teams... then why is ninja's vote for LoRab good for her?
Why are you asking Bea specifically about me?Matt wrote:RIH LLama.
FZ - I was thinking that you were most likely Golden's Monopoly play buddy. But if that were true, then why the never ending defense of 3J? I don't think I've played with a civ LC since I came back for Mafia, but he seems pretty legit to me in this game. I think it's odd that he's simply asking people to talk about his case, and now people are calling him bad.
bea - Do you believe Sorsha/BR to be good this game?
Voting for Dolphin Army
Why are you asking LC specifically about me?Dom wrote:I would agree.Long Con wrote:It looks like the only real thing that has been done today are some quick JJJ votes. I did vote him already. I didn't say so in the thread, but whatever. I've certainly said everything I need to say about him, and he has made some very believable and reasonable rebuttals.
LC, where do you stand on Sorsha? I'm neutral on her right now, but her name was brought up before and quietly has faded (discussion of her, not her).
Bea, I also think Matt has been quiet. Maybe he's trying something new?
If you're not convinced ther aren't 2 baddie teams... then why is ninja's vote for LoRab good for her?
Sorsha wrote:Maybe he has a team helping to reign in his aggressiveness this game?Dom wrote:I would agree.Long Con wrote:It looks like the only real thing that has been done today are some quick JJJ votes. I did vote him already. I didn't say so in the thread, but whatever. I've certainly said everything I need to say about him, and he has made some very believable and reasonable rebuttals.
LC, where do you stand on Sorsha? I'm neutral on her right now, but her name was brought up before and quietly has faded (discussion of her, not her).
Bea, I also think Matt has been quiet. Maybe he's trying something new?
If you're not convinced ther aren't 2 baddie teams... then why is ninja's vote for LoRab good for her?
I don't know if "aggressiveness" is the right word for it. His "Matt-ness" maybe?
Why would asking you about me gauge your civness?bea wrote:Sorsha wrote:Maybe he has a team helping to reign in his aggressiveness this game?Dom wrote:I would agree.Long Con wrote:It looks like the only real thing that has been done today are some quick JJJ votes. I did vote him already. I didn't say so in the thread, but whatever. I've certainly said everything I need to say about him, and he has made some very believable and reasonable rebuttals.
LC, where do you stand on Sorsha? I'm neutral on her right now, but her name was brought up before and quietly has faded (discussion of her, not her).
Bea, I also think Matt has been quiet. Maybe he's trying something new?
If you're not convinced ther aren't 2 baddie teams... then why is ninja's vote for LoRab good for her?
I don't know if "aggressiveness" is the right word for it. His "Matt-ness" maybe?
That's a fair point.
That said, last time I was bad with matt, there was no containing his matt-ness. And also that was pre-his absense and return to the games. Like way back during homestar runner which was the first game that got me into the first champs game.
I'm sure he's grown and changed since then, just still....he's not quite to his meta and not quite talking about why he isn't. Can't figure out what's up with him yet.
As to why he asked me specifically about you? IDK - TBH - I thought he was asking me to gage my civness more than throw shade on you shorsha.
dunno -matt's mind is matt's mind. But if I were to guess, it was because you came out so hard on lorab and I I was so resistant to it since it was my day 1 and 2.Sorsha wrote:Or maybe it should be "How would asking you about me gauge your civness?"
Couldn't we say the same thing about you?Dom wrote:
Bea, I also think Matt has been quiet. Maybe he's trying something new?
Which of my rebuttals did you find believable and reasonable?Long Con wrote:It looks like the only real thing that has been done today are some quick JJJ votes. I did vote him already. I didn't say so in the thread, but whatever. I've certainly said everything I need to say about him, and he has made some very believable and reasonable rebuttals.
What changed?Sorsha wrote:Matt wrote:I'm looking at players other than jjj today I think. I was feeling better about him yesterday and I'd hate to lose him if he's a civ.Sorsha wrote:Voting for jjj
Sorsha wrote:I'm looking at players other than jjj today I think. I was feeling better about him yesterday and I'd hate to lose him if he's a civ.
What changed?Sorsha wrote:Voting for jjj
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Exactly!Ricochet wrote:The more I think about it, JJJ reminds me of my teamie back in Syndicate Mafia, who couldn't muster past 100 posts overall in the whole game. He could be bad after all. His unwillingness to lynch Zebra is food for thought.
I think Jimmy might be bad this game.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:CFD JaggedCrypticJay
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorry I never responded juliets. I've been playing much of this game so far on my phone, and just must be missing posts.juliets wrote:Metalmarsh here is the question I asked you. Note that I am not asking the same questions you already answered. I'm wanting to know what was in your head when you picked the word "which" when you framed the question.
juliets wrote:MM, your question to him was "which team do you think he is on?". That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were. What made you use the word "which"? And what did you expect in return from JJJ that would be an example of "which"? I hope you understand what I am asking. If not, let me know.
Anyway, to answer your questions.And to add, Matt did propose the same case that you did, that I slipped, and must be mafia. But he took a pretty hesitant approach to it. The Matt I remember from Talking Heads would have dogged me all day and all game over something like that.
- 1) I have no idea how many teams there are. That was an intentional "slip" to see how folks responded.
2) I did not know that the mafia team(s) have names. Your suggestion of that is very suspicious imo. I did not imply that I knew it either.
3) I expected Jay to be far more aggressive in his response, since the number of mafia teams is unknown, and I implied that I knew how many there were. Then again, Jay was acting apathetic before I asked the question, so I don't know what to make of it. Different Jay =/= mafia Jay.
Juliets, where did you get the idea that the mafia team(s) have names?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:JaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote:No wonder Zebra was having the most fun observing my emoji frustration. :P
Should be some great opportunities for finding her team mates. She was highly vocal.
I found one such instance. I don't know if this is enough to say that she was having the most fun with your emoji frustration.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, JaggedJimmyJay.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I have a gut feeling that he's mafia.Ricochet wrote:MM, tell me why you keep voting JJJ, first thing every Day, or I can't help you.
I also like seeing the poll and voting early.
And this raises some new questions. To be continued.Metalmarsh89 wrote:All I've been able to take so far is that this is a different FZ than I saw in Pikmin. FZ never wavered in her stances in the thread, and played an excellent game. Then again, Pikmin was a much lower activity game, and FZ has also subbed in after this game started.DrWilgy wrote:When I was upto date I thought she was slightly scumdoodle but I don't remember what triggered that thought process.
I voted JJJ the otherday simply because I agreed with HBB and LC, they are also the civviest to me so far.
What do you think of FZ. Marmot?
But I believe Jay is mafia.
Marsh, you asked me which team I thought llama was on. How in the world would that provoke an "aggressive" response from me? Why would you ever have any reason to expect that? This reads to me like a complete b/s excuse for asking a filler question that drew a lot of suspicion to you.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorry I never responded juliets. I've been playing much of this game so far on my phone, and just must be missing posts.juliets wrote:Metalmarsh here is the question I asked you. Note that I am not asking the same questions you already answered. I'm wanting to know what was in your head when you picked the word "which" when you framed the question.
juliets wrote:MM, your question to him was "which team do you think he is on?". That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were. What made you use the word "which"? And what did you expect in return from JJJ that would be an example of "which"? I hope you understand what I am asking. If not, let me know.
Anyway, to answer your questions.And to add, Matt did propose the same case that you did, that I slipped, and must be mafia. But he took a pretty hesitant approach to it. The Matt I remember from Talking Heads would have dogged me all day and all game over something like that.
- 1) I have no idea how many teams there are. That was an intentional "slip" to see how folks responded.
2) I did not know that the mafia team(s) have names. Your suggestion of that is very suspicious imo. I did not imply that I knew it either.
3) I expected Jay to be far more aggressive in his response, since the number of mafia teams is unknown, and I implied that I knew how many there were. Then again, Jay was acting apathetic before I asked the question, so I don't know what to make of it. Different Jay =/= mafia Jay.
Juliets, where did you get the idea that the mafia team(s) have names?
I expect returns on this pledge with plenty of time to spare for me to discuss it:DharmaHelper wrote:Placing my vote on JJJ.
DharmaHelper wrote:T'was my understanding of LC's suspicion that the Kubrick reveal was just another tick in the evidence column, not that he's "built his case around it." I'm definitely going to revisit his earlier points and take a look at your posts myself in advance of this next lynch.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:He built a case earlier in the game based upon my treatment of llama, and I've already thoroughly addressed that. Now it's about the revealed Kubrick role, LoRab's revealed role, and my survived lynch. Those are all facts in this game, they cannot be disputed. I can only dispute the assumption that Kubrick's ability and my survival were not related -- something that cannot be done substantively or in an evidence-based way. I can only provide WIFOM based upon the truth of my mindset in this game and as a player. Whether anyone believes me isn't something I can control.DharmaHelper wrote:That's HARDLY the crux of LC's suspicions against you.It's all WIFOM, but that's all I can give you in response to a case built around someone else's role.
What else has he stated against me that you'd like to see me address? If it can be addressed I will do so. My time is very limited tonight, but I highly doubt I'm gonna die so I'll get around to it eventually.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Voted LoRab for no reason.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Zebra is confirmed town though.Ricochet wrote:You voted zebra and I followed. That was the only vote ever placed on a confirmed baddie during this phase. I'm sorry if that's the best I could do.Metalmarsh89 wrote:You know what, I think Rico wants to be lynched.
I don't think we should give that to him. Discuss.
Put yourself in my shoes (wash your feet first, tho) and tell me what I should do right now. Vote properly and achieve a 1 vote on a confirmed baddie. Much achievement. You're a notorious self-voter. And known to like apples. Discuss.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can confirm that in my proffesional mafia opinion, a2thezebra is civilian, I do declare.Ricochet wrote:The fark he is.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Zebra is confirmed town though.Ricochet wrote:You voted zebra and I followed. That was the only vote ever placed on a confirmed baddie during this phase. I'm sorry if that's the best I could do.Metalmarsh89 wrote:You know what, I think Rico wants to be lynched.
I don't think we should give that to him. Discuss.
Put yourself in my shoes (wash your feet first, tho) and tell me what I should do right now. Vote properly and achieve a 1 vote on a confirmed baddie. Much achievement. You're a notorious self-voter. And known to like apples. Discuss.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Confirmed town.a2thezebra wrote:That idea's worth noting, Mac. HamburgerBoy has replaced juliets on my list of the six to potentially be killed by me. Killed. KILLED.
linki - I'm not claiming to know how you play in general, only how you have played recently. Which is not this. Or at least, it wasn't.
linki - stop stop stop lemme post ugh
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Are you talking to me?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You better kill me tonight baddies because I'm hella motivated now.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I expect returns on this pledge with plenty of time to spare for me to discuss it:DharmaHelper wrote:Placing my vote on JJJ.
DharmaHelper wrote:I like LC's cases on you and your responses to them/me have felt like you are bad. The only other trains I would jump on are MM and TranqJaggedJimmyJay wrote:He built a case earlier in the game based upon my treatment of llama, and I've already thoroughly addressed that. Now it's about the revealed Kubrick role, LoRab's revealed role, and my survived lynch. Those are all facts in this game, they cannot be disputed. I can only dispute the assumption that Kubrick's ability and my survival were not related -- something that cannot be done substantively or in an evidence-based way. I can only provide WIFOM based upon the truth of my mindset in this game and as a player. Whether anyone believes me isn't something I can control.DharmaHelper wrote:That's HARDLY the crux of LC's suspicions against you.It's all WIFOM, but that's all I can give you in response to a case built around someone else's role.
What else has he stated against me that you'd like to see me address? If it can be addressed I will do so. My time is very limited tonight, but I highly doubt I'm gonna die so I'll get around to it eventually.
T'was my understanding of LC's suspicion that the Kubrick reveal was just another tick in the evidence column, not that he's "built his case around it." I'm definitely going to revisit his earlier points and take a look at your posts myself in advance of this next lynch.
The latest one, where you said you are confident in your ability to wriggle out of a lynch, so you wouldn't ask Lorab to make it Position 1, possibly denying teammates the chance to explore other Positions Of Power. That sounds both believable and reasonable.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Which of my rebuttals did you find believable and reasonable?Long Con wrote:It looks like the only real thing that has been done today are some quick JJJ votes. I did vote him already. I didn't say so in the thread, but whatever. I've certainly said everything I need to say about him, and he has made some very believable and reasonable rebuttals.
I didn't indict Matt with my post. I just made an observation.Ricochet wrote:Couldn't we say the same thing about you?Dom wrote:
Bea, I also think Matt has been quiet. Maybe he's trying something new?
Also he isn't bad and any vote for me would be hugely bad for the Civs.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Voting Dom so I can see the poll without clicking the dang button. Also I think he's bad.
It's a valid question and it's one I'm considering. I don't think it's out of the question for a baddie to do what you've done in that scenario, though I did think it was less likely than the way llama responded to it (we've affirmed I was wrong about llama).Dom wrote:Also he isn't bad and any vote for me would be hugely bad for the Civs.
If I were bad why would I endorse your plan to lunch either Llama or myself? Why wouldn't I condemn it and just hop on a counter train?
That's a great reason to suspect anyone. Interactions with confirmed mafia are the bread and butter of my Mafia strategy.Dom wrote:TBH you don't have much reason to think I'm bad other than my interactions with Lorab.
That could be. What specifically have I asserted in my analyses do you feel you wouldn't do as a baddie?Dom wrote:I don't think that is something that baddie Dom would do.
Mine is not. Do not assert that it is, because that's plain wrong.Dom wrote:Many of the cases against me have been NO Us
I've felt the same way about your suspicion of me for essentially the entire game. Well, I've felt that way about all suspicion of me the entire game until the more recent fact-based case built around the Kubrick drama. That's easier to understand.Dom wrote:and rather vapid.
Do you want to build a snowman?bea wrote:LC, JJ, You, Marshy - are all completely capable of snowing me and with the exception of JJ have. At least once. I lean civ on you and jj - I'm not sure about lc and marshy at all. That's my preconcieved notions at play though more than anything.
