The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:"Blackmail someone" doesn't imply that it has to be a single action. I had a mind control power once and forced Marsh to replace everyone's name with "timmer" and vote for timmer.

timmer remembers that one.

Scotty wrote:I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

Scotty wrote:I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

juliets wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

My opinion is he has been targeted by two different people, on two separate days, one being the knock knock jokes and two for what he's doing here, quotes from Hamlet. It's just an opinion though based on knowing there is no double targeting.

juliets wrote:Oh maybe its just shakespear cause that line was Macbeth.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Apparently Matt and I are popular. And sig is my number one suspect!!

Golden wrote:Turning this around to TH's perspective Enrique.

You are claiming that TH started this game with a plan to claim Alfred, despite the fact that Alfred was otherwise alive. He then followed that with a plan to imply Matt was Batman, even though Matt could turn around and state he wasn't Batman. And he did all of this in the assumption that even after he implied that Matt was Batman, and Matt wasn't Batman, everyone would continue to believe he was Alfred and he would coast by on civ cred.

That's your theory.

Now, I'm not saying it is wrong. I'm just saying that TH coming up with the idea to fictionally claim a role that was 1) alive and 2) SO easily disprovable (by both the real Alfred and by forcing him to claim who Batman was, and being able to prove him wrong) doesn't seem that sensible, from TH's perspective. In fact, it seems pretty stupid. And the fact it seems pretty stupid that he would do that is a persuasive factor against your theory.

That's not to say your theory is wrong. It could be right. But you are so absolutely utterly convinced that there is no other explanation that you are trying desperately to fit all the facts into it, but when I point out facts that don't fit you just criticise me, instead of seeing me for what I'm doing... poking the holes in your theory and seeing if they can be filled.

This is how you catch baddies in an open minded manner. You create a theory. Then you test the theory. I'm testing the theory. But you and zebra get incredibly defensive about it being tested. You are both so utterly convinced you absolutely have to be right that anyone who questions it is sticking up for TH, blind, not seeing the facts, misunderstanding or not posting straight. You call zebra's posts obvious but then when you read it even you see it wasn't obvious. The very simple thing to do is to actually try and evaluate the holes and think about what they mean. But neither of you seem the slightest bit interested in doing that. You are so entrenched in your views that you just refuse to even come up with rational explanations, instead just reject the idea that an explanation is necessary and reject the idea that I could have a point when it comes to other explanations. And calling me closed-minded back, as though somehow the point of this is oneupmanship and being the one who comes out on top instead of trying to actually solve the game.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

Enrique wrote:open your mind golden youre not listening to the facts

How would you propose I open my mind any further than I already have. Have you got even more explanations than me for what could be going on?

Shroooms

Scotty wrote:In case I die tonight, my reads for Mafia are now Dom, zebra, and Sorsha.

Scotty wrote:I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

DharmaHelper wrote:Still kinda sketched about MP's "my town meta" comments. Felt like he was surprised he'd been caught in spite of playing up his town meta rather than that he's surprised his town meta is being interpreted as sketch.

MacDougall wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

He's Riddler man.

Matt wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

He's Riddler man.

Nay, we will all us of be there to fetch him.

MacDougall wrote:I want Matt to make more Shakespeare posts.

Matt wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I want Matt to make more Shakespeare posts.

I am not well in health, and that is all.

Follow me, then.

Give guess how near to day. Lucius, I say!

juliets wrote:

Matt wrote:Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

So you've been cursed to quote Hamlet? I know, I know you can't answer.

juliets wrote:Oh maybe its just shakespear cause that line was Macbeth.

MacDougall wrote:The quote is from Julius Caesar.

He wants us to lynch Juliets?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also think Enrique is suspicious. I'd like to discuss players who've not been discussed lately too though. What does everyone think of juliets, Lorab, and Typhoony?

All of that said, sig is my number one suspect.

juliets wrote:

Matt wrote:Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

So you've been cursed to quote Hamlet? I know, I know you can't answer.

juliets wrote:Oh maybe its just shakespear cause that line was Macbeth.

MacDougall wrote:The quote is from Julius Caesar.

He wants us to lynch Juliets?

MacDougall wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

He's Riddler man.

Scotty wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

He's Riddler man.

Why did he post regularly on Day 1, then?

Could it be that his riddles are related to something that happens in the night?

Scotty wrote:Matt, who do you suspect right now?

I see most of your recent lines have been from Othello. Maybe you can spell out names that you suspect with, like, say, the first letter of each line being the code reading down?

Enrique wrote:I think he might want us to name Shakespeare's entire body of work.

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:Matt, who do you suspect right now?

I see most of your recent lines have been from Othello. Maybe you can spell out names that you suspect with, like, say, the first letter of each line being the code reading down?

I thank thee, fellow; thou servest me, and I'll love thee.

Scotty wrote:Maybe if he gets everyone in the game to answer his riddles, then his win condition will be met.

Those knock knock jokes were directed to certain people. Though he stopped asking people specifically pretty soon after asking Golden and Bullz yesterday, so maybe not.

My question still stands- Enrique, did you ever reveal the piece of evidence that made you go back on your sus of Matt?

linki: Dom, if so, who targeted him for the knock knock jokes? Because no one is talking in knock knock jokes today.

Scotty wrote:Matt is the riddler, fo sho.

bea wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also think Enrique is suspicious. I'd like to discuss players who've not been discussed lately too though. What does everyone think of juliets, Lorab, and Typhoony?

All of that said, sig is my number one suspect.

JC feels like JC.
Typh feels like Typh.
Lorab is out of the country being awesome so it's super hard to read her. She's a tough read when she is in the country and fully engaged. On the road and doing the trek to the motherland? Yea...hard to get a solid read on her.

Enrique wrote:I think he might want us to name Shakespeare's entire body of work.

MacDougall wrote:Matt and MP do you think plagueing the thread with this stuff is helping us find bad guys?

Turnip Head wrote:

Enrique wrote:I want to hear Turnip Head's thoughts on MP today (and also on sig).

I don't want to lynch either of them. I think MacDougall might be Nero's teammate.

MacDougall wrote:[snip]I've liked spirityo's feel too. Also nerolunar has seemed quite natty which is good. Matt looks natty.

Just want to reiterate that I barely read any of the actual content because I found much of what I was reading dramatic over exaggeration of irrelevant points.

So to reiterate here's some of these

For Turnip Head, Lorab, Bass and bea.

This is Mac's first mention of Nero. I don't know what natty means but in context it's a defense of his character in the same post where Mac says he hasn't read much content.

MacDougall wrote:

Typhoony wrote:

Nerolunar wrote: I still believe we should go to AA though. Im wondering if there is a mechanic that makes the Riddler place clues where he has been. He has been at Arkham, so it wouldn´t surprise me if there was one.

What is this based on?

I like the question Typhoony but I also like Nerolunar's theory here. I think the idea that Riddler would leave evidence behind of his crimes is pretty solid, but I don't think that'd be as simple as us being able to select the asylum and get one...

More of Mac finding Nero's contributions valuable.

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the most suspicious thing to come out of this was Neru throwing shade at me and then backing down when I called him out on it.

Was weird huh.

This won't show up in a search because I was calling him "Neru" for forever and Mac was responding to my post.

For those who have not read this 90 page behemoth, Mac made a big deal over me using the word "we" to refer to civilian behavior, and Nero backed him up with a definitive statement about how it made me bad. When I called Nero out for sounding so sure about it, he backed off with a "No haha lots of time left." After Mac and I hashed it out for 100 posts or so, I made this comment about Nero and Mac gave this half-hearted agreement. I believe Nero simply got too confident in following a teammate's suspicion here, and upon realizing that he backed off.

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:[snip]

I agree with your feelings towards bea. I am wondering why Nerolunar isn't on your list though.

All this really shows is that Mac is cognizant of my suspicion of Nero.

MacDougall wrote:

bea wrote:So basically you are saying yes Matt was likely cursed but here is why it most likely wasn't by the Joker. Yes?

Linki. Yay!! I understood something!!

I'm not actually dismissing the possibility that he was cursed by The Joker. Maybe The Joker can do that as part of his secrets. I am dismissing the possibility that it occured via Matt having targeted him.

Matt's suspicion of Nerolunar is based on Nero talking about the Riddler. Matt is probably The Riddler and thinks Nero is the cop that needs him dead.

In which Mac calls into question Matt's motives for wanting to lynch Nero. This is a bizarre post, mostly because Mac had been defending Matt up until this point. But this not only discredit's Matt's suspicion of Nero, it discredits his motives entirely by speculating that Matt is the Riddler himself. If you look through Mac's posts, this is the only point in the game where Mac questions his civvieness, when it relates to Nero as a suspect. Mac reads Matt as civ in all situations except where it relates to Nero.

Matt eventually seems like a goner, but then Enrique comes in with his 180 on the subject, and people are looking for a new lynch target.

DharmaHelper wrote:Lets lynch Nero.

MacDougall wrote:Let's not just lynch a guy based on a player saying let's lynch them. Let's decide on who the best candidate is.

I tactically stopped attacking my suspects from Day 1 today and it revealed some interesting stuff. Under the microscope Turnip Head contributed plenty of discussion. As soon as I took the microscope away his contribution to discussion screeched to a grinding halt. Why?

This post is a direct response to DH saying we should lynch Nero. He doesn't name Nero, instead tries to pivot back to his earlier suspicion of me by mischaracterizing my play as "screeching to a grinding halt".

Mac follows up:

MacDougall wrote:I think sig and nero are both reasonable candidates and wouldn't actually mind seeing either of them flip. But, I would like it to be based on something more than DharmaHelper blatantly inviting lurkers to drive by vote whoever he says to.

Enrique is the one who suggested that we move votes toward sig or Nero. DharmaHelper only said Nero. This post is a defense of Nero and only Nero.

MacDougall wrote:Sig and nero... Sig, the ultimate in mislynch meta and nero who I've never played with before. Both ping me for different reasons.

Sig - Well, I am seeing an unusually thorough sig. He's held together. Usually civ sig is a little more mealy mouthed lol. His responses to being put under threat here are a little alarming.
Nerolunar - There was the thing on day 1 where he tried to jump in on the Turnip Head suspicion and when TH growled at him he backed off all like "lol jks bra" and tbh that is arguably the most surface scummy thing that has occurred. Coupled with Matt wanting him lynched...

I think I'd endorse Nero being lynched over sig.

This is the first indication that Mac thinks the thing I mentioned on Day 1 was "the most surface scummy thing that has occurred". But Mac never votes for Nero on the basis of that and never interrogates Nero the way he had me for the "we" thing.

MacDougall wrote:Nero is a good lynch today imo. Y'all should just go watch some TV or something and wait for the outcome.

Nero had 7 votes at this point and there was about an hour and a half left. Weird post.

MacDougall wrote:Reveal that not civvie plz.

MacDougall wrote:Reveal dat Catwoman or someshit

This bravado rings false. The Catwoman thing seems like an allusion to the fact that Matt thought Nero was the Riddler, and Enrique thought Nero was the Joker. To me it feels like Mac knew Nero would flip mafia against the evidence, and while he wanted to sound confident he also wanted to poke fun at the conspiracy theories.



On the Nero side of things...

Nerolunar wrote:Honestly Matt I think you fear for your own life. Trying to raise a mob against me and what not.

Strong Civ reads: Juliets, Mac and Golden. They seem very genuine and has brought on some good points. I find myself to mostly agree with these people. I should include Scotty here too since I too believe that Wilgy was Robin.

Slight Civ reads: Sorsha. This guy seems very reasonable but doesn´t post that much which strikes me as odd. Dom and MP also strike me as civvy.

My scum reads are Dharmahelper, Matt and Metalmarsh. Especially Metal as he has not explained his weird behavior of voting Zebra at the beginning of day 1. I have ased him that question a few times now and keeps ignoring it. If he doesn´t answer I might go ahead and vote him. Dharma because he only usually pops in to comment on something then leaves. Matt because he is being somewhat desperate to get rid of me and his weird conspiracy that is simply not true.

Linki These knock knock jokes are getting so annoying.

Nero didn't make very many posts that were about his thoughts on other players, but I specifically asked him for this one. Of these players, Mac is the only one that Nero had any sort of contact with, and Nero labelled him among his civ reads. This is something I think Mac would tell him it would be okay to do. The whole thread has read Mac as town, why shouldn't Nero?

Nerolunar wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I've had cause to come on and check this game thread a number of times today and I honestly can't recall an occasion where I have and Magnus (Nerolunar) hasn't been on as well and yet (once again) you post so infrequently my friend. I know this is all pretty heavy going and as you're new you are maybe feeling a little overwhelmed (as am I) but isn't there something you'd like to contribute or some observation you'd care to make

I am overwhelmed. I keep a tab open in my broswer and refreshes it occasionally. I hate having to read more than a few pages in one go, so I take it as it comes, especially that it´s Sunday and I don´t have anything else to do.

I believe both Mac and Bullz are town. They both seem genuine to me.

Nero once again calls Mac a town read. Both of these posts took place before Enrique did his 180 on Matt, so at the time Matt seemed like the sure thing and there was no reason for Nero to feel like he was in danger and no reason to heavily distance from teammates.





Let me know what you think y'all. I know it's difficult to look at Mac's posts from this context but if you search his posts for "Nerolunar" and "Nero" and read the bits of the thread surrounding his mentions of Nero, I think there's good evidence for them being on a team together.

Scotty wrote:Maybe if he gets everyone in the game to answer his riddles, then his win condition will be met.

Those knock knock jokes were directed to certain people. Though he stopped asking people specifically pretty soon after asking Golden and Bullz yesterday, so maybe not.

My question still stands- Enrique, did you ever reveal the piece of evidence that made you go back on your sus of Matt?

linki: Dom, if so, who targeted him for the knock knock jokes? Because no one is talking in knock knock jokes today.

Enrique wrote:

Scotty wrote:Maybe if he gets everyone in the game to answer his riddles, then his win condition will be met.

Those knock knock jokes were directed to certain people. Though he stopped asking people specifically pretty soon after asking Golden and Bullz yesterday, so maybe not.

My question still stands- Enrique, did you ever reveal the piece of evidence that made you go back on your sus of Matt?

linki: Dom, if so, who targeted him for the knock knock jokes? Because no one is talking in knock knock jokes today.

yeahh and then i went back on that too its a mess tbh im over it