Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[Made]

...omgus-ing?

[staypositivefriend]

ok there was like 1 post that stood out that sorta locked it in but in general her iso i dont see anything that sets off red flags for me.

can you do me a favor and skim through the posts that she's made today in her ISO, if you haven't already? i've expanded on this already but the main thing that concerns me about her is that i struggle to see her reads coming from a town mindset, they are stagnant and highly reactive

You are not struggling, this is an exaggeration, you know i am villager and is very convenient for you to pretend you don't understand why i read you mafia.

work with me for a second - do you understand why spf!town might grow concerned that your three top scumreads are the three people who happened to vote you first? and can you see why it might become even more concerning that you are doubling down on your confidence instead o re-evaluating and outing thoughtful observations?

why should i assume that you're town?

No.
You work with me.
Do you realise how faking you understand my meta and pretending you recognise this as my scum game and the fact you went to sleep when i had 7 votes makes you mafia in my eyes?
Why should i assume that you are a villager?

i haven't faked an understanding of your meta - i have constantly asked people about your meta in this game in an attempt to get a better baseline for how to read you. my feelings that this game is different from your scum meta is exactly what stopped me from pushing on you harder on d1

however, i did find a post from a scum game that you linked where your style of OMGUS'ing was extremely similar to the way you've OMGUS'd in this game. you'd have to tell me what meta i'm "faking" about you

also, was the wagon on you really at 7 votes vote when i put my vote down? i didn't know there were even 7 people online last night, lol

You didn't know you let me with 7 votes and content of yourself?

You know what is so nice about meta? People are usually too lazy to search and they are trusting the ones who pretend they checked something

Omgusing as town is my favourite move and the best way to receive a reaction test. So when you say i omgus-ed as scum it was just a mimic of my town play. What you didn't check because it was out of your interest, was my town voting behaviour. I received tons of heat because of omgus so i know.

the point was that i found your OMGUS'ing town indicative - and realizing that you're more than capable of doing the same thing as scum made me realize that a lot of the reasons i had to townread you had the incorrect foundation

it's still unclear to me what meta about you that i'm faking/lying about

[Michelle]

Anyone out there think there are fewer than two mafia in this group: [Michelle, Made, Ellie]

?

I think so. I only know i am town and i have a town lean on both Made and Ellie rn

[Esooa]

by the way, I'm kinda beginning to think more that this non stop wifom spew has to mean *something* and that something is imo most likely that Michelle is hard scum reading three town read people and people will look and see "well Michelle had a really dumb read on town!Esooa and town!nutella so probably town!spf too" so yeah I'm feeling like spf is the most likely third here still. If it's not then gj making like 300 posts worth of anti spew from two members of the mafia team for one ml lol .

[Esooa]

I just realized spf used being drunk as an excuse earlier even though she was LYING about being drunk

[Esooa]

if either of made/Michelle gets to 8 votes I'm handing
hammering at this point

@nutella you won't have to worry about the mash thing cause tomorrow in game will consist of ~nothing but hammering the one we don't between these two

[Michelle]

can you do me a favor and skim through the posts that she's made today in her ISO, if you haven't already? i've expanded on this already but the main thing that concerns me about her is that i struggle to see her reads coming from a town mindset, they are stagnant and highly reactive

You are not struggling, this is an exaggeration, you know i am villager and is very convenient for you to pretend you don't understand why i read you mafia.

work with me for a second - do you understand why spf!town might grow concerned that your three top scumreads are the three people who happened to vote you first? and can you see why it might become even more concerning that you are doubling down on your confidence instead o re-evaluating and outing thoughtful observations?

why should i assume that you're town?

No.
You work with me.
Do you realise how faking you understand my meta and pretending you recognise this as my scum game and the fact you went to sleep when i had 7 votes makes you mafia in my eyes?
Why should i assume that you are a villager?

i haven't faked an understanding of your meta - i have constantly asked people about your meta in this game in an attempt to get a better baseline for how to read you. my feelings that this game is different from your scum meta is exactly what stopped me from pushing on you harder on d1

however, i did find a post from a scum game that you linked where your style of OMGUS'ing was extremely similar to the way you've OMGUS'd in this game. you'd have to tell me what meta i'm "faking" about you

also, was the wagon on you really at 7 votes vote when i put my vote down? i didn't know there were even 7 people online last night, lol

You didn't know you let me with 7 votes and content of yourself?

You know what is so nice about meta? People are usually too lazy to search and they are trusting the ones who pretend they checked something

Omgusing as town is my favourite move and the best way to receive a reaction test. So when you say i omgus-ed as scum it was just a mimic of my town play. What you didn't check because it was out of your interest, was my town voting behaviour. I received tons of heat because of omgus so i know.

the point was that i found your OMGUS'ing town indicative - and realizing that you're more than capable of doing the same thing as scum made me realize that a lot of the reasons i had to townread you had the incorrect foundation

it's still unclear to me what meta about you that i'm faking/lying about

The eureka thing becasue i could omgus as either AI so you can confidently vote me to an early majj doesn't feel like you really wanted to solve my slot.

[DkKoba]

michelle u called nutella mafia multiple times lets see the vote

[Michelle]

by the way, I'm kinda beginning to think more that this non stop wifom spew has to mean *something* and that something is imo most likely that Michelle is hard scum reading three town read people and people will look and see "well Michelle had a really dumb read on town!Esooa and town!nutella so probably town!spf too" so yeah I'm feeling like spf is the most likely third here still. If it's not then gj making like 300 posts worth of anti spew from two members of the mafia team for one ml lol .

What?

[DkKoba]

esooa do u actually townread nutella and if so why cuz i want to recruit u to #bakenutella gang

[staypositivefriend]

by the way, I'm kinda beginning to think more that this non stop wifom spew has to mean *something* and that something is imo most likely that Michelle is hard scum reading three town read people and people will look and see "well Michelle had a really dumb read on town!Esooa and town!nutella so probably town!spf too" so yeah I'm feeling like spf is the most likely third here still. If it's not then gj making like 300 posts worth of anti spew from two members of the mafia team for one ml lol .

highly doubt that i could fake the level that michelle's ATE got to me on d1, but wont get bogged down in defending myself against what is probably just anti-spew

[Michelle]

michelle u called nutella mafia multiple times lets see the vote

I can vote her, i wanted SPF more tbh
And my vote before self voting was on Esooa.

Any of them is a good vote imo
[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

I just realized spf used being drunk as an excuse earlier even though she was LYING about being drunk

cant believe i got exposed like this

[DkKoba]

spf, can i ask u something?


dont u normally consider AtE NAI?

[Michelle]

If i stop playing means i fell asleep

[staypositivefriend]

You are not struggling, this is an exaggeration, you know i am villager and is very convenient for you to pretend you don't understand why i read you mafia.

work with me for a second - do you understand why spf!town might grow concerned that your three top scumreads are the three people who happened to vote you first? and can you see why it might become even more concerning that you are doubling down on your confidence instead o re-evaluating and outing thoughtful observations?

why should i assume that you're town?

No.
You work with me.
Do you realise how faking you understand my meta and pretending you recognise this as my scum game and the fact you went to sleep when i had 7 votes makes you mafia in my eyes?
Why should i assume that you are a villager?

i haven't faked an understanding of your meta - i have constantly asked people about your meta in this game in an attempt to get a better baseline for how to read you. my feelings that this game is different from your scum meta is exactly what stopped me from pushing on you harder on d1

however, i did find a post from a scum game that you linked where your style of OMGUS'ing was extremely similar to the way you've OMGUS'd in this game. you'd have to tell me what meta i'm "faking" about you

also, was the wagon on you really at 7 votes vote when i put my vote down? i didn't know there were even 7 people online last night, lol

You didn't know you let me with 7 votes and content of yourself?

You know what is so nice about meta? People are usually too lazy to search and they are trusting the ones who pretend they checked something

Omgusing as town is my favourite move and the best way to receive a reaction test. So when you say i omgus-ed as scum it was just a mimic of my town play. What you didn't check because it was out of your interest, was my town voting behaviour. I received tons of heat because of omgus so i know.

the point was that i found your OMGUS'ing town indicative - and realizing that you're more than capable of doing the same thing as scum made me realize that a lot of the reasons i had to townread you had the incorrect foundation

it's still unclear to me what meta about you that i'm faking/lying about

The eureka thing becasue i could omgus as either AI so you can confidently vote me to an early majj doesn't feel like you really wanted to solve my slot.

well the fact that i've been talking to you at all today means that i'm interested in solving your slot. if you're town then i think it should be easy for you to understand why your reads would be throwing me off

[DkKoba]

spf dont u townread me?

just literally sheep me on this.

im good at solving LHF slots.

[staypositivefriend]

spf, can i ask u something?


dont u normally consider AtE NAI?

mm tutuu asked the same question yesterday - i addressed it here http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p707076

[staypositivefriend]

spf dont u townread me?

just literally sheep me on this.

im good at solving LHF slots.

i think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now

as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration

[Michelle]

Anti spew is like a boogie man.. SPF is showing it to the class to make kids fear its existence

[DkKoba]

spf dont u townread me?

just literally sheep me on this.

im good at solving LHF slots.

i think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now

as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration

if either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?

[staypositivefriend]

spf dont u townread me?

just literally sheep me on this.

im good at solving LHF slots.

i think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now

as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration

if either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?

not unless you had a case for why the other one is town - but a townflip from either one right now would make me less confident

[DkKoba]

zzzzzzzzz

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

work with me for a second - do you understand why spf!town might grow concerned that your three top scumreads are the three people who happened to vote you first? and can you see why it might become even more concerning that you are doubling down on your confidence instead o re-evaluating and outing thoughtful observations?

why should i assume that you're town?

No.
You work with me.
Do you realise how faking you understand my meta and pretending you recognise this as my scum game and the fact you went to sleep when i had 7 votes makes you mafia in my eyes?
Why should i assume that you are a villager?

i haven't faked an understanding of your meta - i have constantly asked people about your meta in this game in an attempt to get a better baseline for how to read you. my feelings that this game is different from your scum meta is exactly what stopped me from pushing on you harder on d1

however, i did find a post from a scum game that you linked where your style of OMGUS'ing was extremely similar to the way you've OMGUS'd in this game. you'd have to tell me what meta i'm "faking" about you

also, was the wagon on you really at 7 votes vote when i put my vote down? i didn't know there were even 7 people online last night, lol

You didn't know you let me with 7 votes and content of yourself?

You know what is so nice about meta? People are usually too lazy to search and they are trusting the ones who pretend they checked something

Omgusing as town is my favourite move and the best way to receive a reaction test. So when you say i omgus-ed as scum it was just a mimic of my town play. What you didn't check because it was out of your interest, was my town voting behaviour. I received tons of heat because of omgus so i know.

the point was that i found your OMGUS'ing town indicative - and realizing that you're more than capable of doing the same thing as scum made me realize that a lot of the reasons i had to townread you had the incorrect foundation

it's still unclear to me what meta about you that i'm faking/lying about

The eureka thing becasue i could omgus as either AI so you can confidently vote me to an early majj doesn't feel like you really wanted to solve my slot.

well the fact that i've been talking to you at all today means that i'm interested in solving your slot. if you're town then i think it should be easy for you to understand why your reads would be throwing me off

Of course i get why my read on you is throwing you off if i am wrong.
What i realise is how it can throwing you off if i am right.
What makes you defend Nutella and Esooa?
Why did you sheep so easy them when my wagon started?

[DkKoba]

spf- what do u think LC flipp9ng town and mac being NK'd implies?

[DkKoba]

separate answers pls, cuz obv they are different dynamics/

[DkKoba]

like idk why we get into this mindset of "oh this wagon was wrong lets wagon the other person"

cuz i replaced into a game where ppl did that and they all flipped town and iwas like why tf are u ppl not lmming obvious scum here??? and im getting same vibes here.

[nutella]

spf dont u townread me?

just literally sheep me on this.

im good at solving LHF slots.

i think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now

as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration

if either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?

*noting this post down for later*

[DkKoba]

spf dont u townread me?

just literally sheep me on this.

im good at solving LHF slots.

i think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now

as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration

if either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?

*noting this post down for later*

why?

[staypositivefriend]

Spoiler: show

No.
You work with me.
Do you realise how faking you understand my meta and pretending you recognise this as my scum game and the fact you went to sleep when i had 7 votes makes you mafia in my eyes?
Why should i assume that you are a villager?

i haven't faked an understanding of your meta - i have constantly asked people about your meta in this game in an attempt to get a better baseline for how to read you. my feelings that this game is different from your scum meta is exactly what stopped me from pushing on you harder on d1

however, i did find a post from a scum game that you linked where your style of OMGUS'ing was extremely similar to the way you've OMGUS'd in this game. you'd have to tell me what meta i'm "faking" about you

also, was the wagon on you really at 7 votes vote when i put my vote down? i didn't know there were even 7 people online last night, lol

You didn't know you let me with 7 votes and content of yourself?

You know what is so nice about meta? People are usually too lazy to search and they are trusting the ones who pretend they checked something

Omgusing as town is my favourite move and the best way to receive a reaction test. So when you say i omgus-ed as scum it was just a mimic of my town play. What you didn't check because it was out of your interest, was my town voting behaviour. I received tons of heat because of omgus so i know.

the point was that i found your OMGUS'ing town indicative - and realizing that you're more than capable of doing the same thing as scum made me realize that a lot of the reasons i had to townread you had the incorrect foundation

it's still unclear to me what meta about you that i'm faking/lying about

The eureka thing becasue i could omgus as either AI so you can confidently vote me to an early majj doesn't feel like you really wanted to solve my slot.

well the fact that i've been talking to you at all today means that i'm interested in solving your slot. if you're town then i think it should be easy for you to understand why your reads would be throwing me off

Of course i get why my read on you is throwing you off if i am wrong.
What i realise is how it can throwing you off if i am right.
What makes you defend Nutella and Esooa?
Why did you sheep so easy them when my wagon started?

nutella has been one of the my strongest townreads throughout the entire game - largely because the level of authenticity and passion that she's put into her gamesolving doesn't feel like the type of thing that nutella could fake - i've understood her thought process completely even when i haven't agreed with her, and her views & thoughts are internally consistent. i see no reason to be suspicious of her right now. (meta plays a tiny part in this - i scumread nutella on d1 a few months ago when she ~was~ mafia, so she's playing a very different game if she's scum)

esooa is similar - the level of internal frustration and the mindset that's reflected throughout esooa's posts don't strike me as something she could easily fake as scum, even though she's a strong player. her gamesolving has felt completely natural to me and i don't see it as likely that she would hard defend LC on d1 with no concrete goals in mind (like, if she hard defended LC to push an ellie chop instead, then it isn't reflected in her play today at all, because she doesnt want to chop ellie anymore)

i'd have to look back at the specific post where i decided to vote for you - but iirc, i was pretty thrown off by the OMGUS and the discrediting that you were doing toward nutella. it felt to me like your reaction to her scumreading you was much more deflective than it was inquisitive - you seemed focused on shutting down her read above all else, and you fos'd her for fos'ing you. if you did this for "reactions", then it isn't reflected in the fact that you've confidently doubled down on that read as the day has gone

[nutella]

spf dont u townread me?

just literally sheep me on this.

im good at solving LHF slots.

i think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now

as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration

if either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?

*noting this post down for later*

why?

because I think Made/Michelle could be v/w and this would be hoping that if the town one (Made) flips first it would for some reason clear Michelle when it def wouldn't and you could just be her teammate here


i dont know if i believe that bc i dont really think you'd be so blatantly openwolfingly discrediting me the way you are, and think you're likely just town with a bad read (as many ppl unfamiliar with me can have) but it's not a sentiment i like

[staypositivefriend]

spf- what do u think LC flipp9ng town and mac being NK'd implies?

it implies that there was at least one scum on the LC wagon, and it implies that the mafia probably feared mac in some way. these are both good things to take into account, but i don't see why they should form a basis for the reads i have today

[DkKoba]

its liklier that michelle flips in this gamestate -> do you think made = scum if michelle flips town?

[nutella]

i'd have to look back at the specific post where i decided to vote for you - but iirc, i was pretty thrown off by the OMGUS and the discrediting that you were doing toward nutella. it felt to me like your reaction to her scumreading you was much more deflective than it was inquisitive - you seemed focused on shutting down her read above all else, and you fos'd her for fos'ing you. if you did this for "reactions", then it isn't reflected in the fact that you've confidently doubled down on that read as the day has gone

yes bingo

[Esooa]

koba just really loves going for those hero shots don't they

[DkKoba]

spf- what do u think LC flipp9ng town and mac being NK'd implies?

it implies that there was at least one scum on the LC wagon, and it implies that the mafia probably feared mac in some way. these are both good things to take into account, but i don't see why they should form a basis for the reads i have today

i find both VCA and NKA to be immensely useful.

[nutella]

its liklier that michelle flips in this gamestate -> do you think made = scum if michelle flips town?

p sure michelle won't flip town. but yes

[DkKoba]

koba just really loves going for those hero shots don't they

im used to being killed b4 lylo i need to out my theories b4 im dead u know

[nutella]

also @DkKoba I feel the opposite of you re: michelle bringing up the mac nk. I think it's more likely she's scum that made the kill and deliberately used it to try to point a finger at Esooa.

[DkKoba]

there's a scenario i will reconsider my read on nutella but im not outting it so scum cant try to manipulate it

[DkKoba]

@Michelle did u make a vote against esooa today?

[nutella]

there's a scenario i will reconsider my read on nutella but im not outting it so scum cant try to manipulate it

Michelle flipping scum?

[nutella]

Also have you still not read the posts from last night bc i really rEALLY strongly encourage you to do so, theres some really juicy stuff lmao

[DkKoba]

i did read a lot of them and thats why i think ur scum nutella

[nutella]

i did read a lot of them and thats why i think ur scum nutella

But you said you stopped, I want you to continue

Like I dont think youve gotten to the point where Michelle really goes all in on openwolfing and I want to see your reaction to it please

[Esooa]

bruh

[staypositivefriend]

my vote is on michelle in spirit right now. it would be a little weird for made!scum to kill mac even tho mac was one of the few people defending him, but that's just a minor point

[Esooa]

I really just want someone to be hammered it sounds fun

also this game is solved and there's only so much "maybe obv scum is right about their obv town scum read" I can enjoy

[Michelle]

@Michelle did u make a vote against esooa today?

Yes

[DkKoba]

impatience favors scum