Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:39 pm
...omgus-ing?
the point was that i found your OMGUS'ing town indicative - and realizing that you're more than capable of doing the same thing as scum made me realize that a lot of the reasons i had to townread you had the incorrect foundationMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:38 pmYou didn't know you let me with 7 votes and content of yourself?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:27 pmi haven't faked an understanding of your meta - i have constantly asked people about your meta in this game in an attempt to get a better baseline for how to read you. my feelings that this game is different from your scum meta is exactly what stopped me from pushing on you harder on d1Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:23 pmNo.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:19 pmwork with me for a second - do you understand why spf!town might grow concerned that your three top scumreads are the three people who happened to vote you first? and can you see why it might become even more concerning that you are doubling down on your confidence instead o re-evaluating and outing thoughtful observations?Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:17 pmYou are not struggling, this is an exaggeration, you know i am villager and is very convenient for you to pretend you don't understand why i read you mafia.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:11 pmcan you do me a favor and skim through the posts that she's made today in her ISO, if you haven't already? i've expanded on this already but the main thing that concerns me about her is that i struggle to see her reads coming from a town mindset, they are stagnant and highly reactive
why should i assume that you're town?
You work with me.
Do you realise how faking you understand my meta and pretending you recognise this as my scum game and the fact you went to sleep when i had 7 votes makes you mafia in my eyes?
Why should i assume that you are a villager?
however, i did find a post from a scum game that you linked where your style of OMGUS'ing was extremely similar to the way you've OMGUS'd in this game. you'd have to tell me what meta i'm "faking" about you
also, was the wagon on you really at 7 votes vote when i put my vote down? i didn't know there were even 7 people online last night, lol![]()
You know what is so nice about meta? People are usually too lazy to search and they are trusting the ones who pretend they checked something
Omgusing as town is my favourite move and the best way to receive a reaction test. So when you say i omgus-ed as scum it was just a mimic of my town play. What you didn't check because it was out of your interest, was my town voting behaviour. I received tons of heat because of omgus so i know.
I think so. I only know i am town and i have a town lean on both Made and Ellie rnJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:31 pm Anyone out there think there are fewer than two mafia in this group: [Michelle, Made, Ellie]
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The eureka thing becasue i could omgus as either AI so you can confidently vote me to an early majj doesn't feel like you really wanted to solve my slot.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:39 pmthe point was that i found your OMGUS'ing town indicative - and realizing that you're more than capable of doing the same thing as scum made me realize that a lot of the reasons i had to townread you had the incorrect foundationMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:38 pmYou didn't know you let me with 7 votes and content of yourself?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:27 pmi haven't faked an understanding of your meta - i have constantly asked people about your meta in this game in an attempt to get a better baseline for how to read you. my feelings that this game is different from your scum meta is exactly what stopped me from pushing on you harder on d1Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:23 pmNo.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:19 pmwork with me for a second - do you understand why spf!town might grow concerned that your three top scumreads are the three people who happened to vote you first? and can you see why it might become even more concerning that you are doubling down on your confidence instead o re-evaluating and outing thoughtful observations?Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:17 pmYou are not struggling, this is an exaggeration, you know i am villager and is very convenient for you to pretend you don't understand why i read you mafia.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:11 pm
can you do me a favor and skim through the posts that she's made today in her ISO, if you haven't already? i've expanded on this already but the main thing that concerns me about her is that i struggle to see her reads coming from a town mindset, they are stagnant and highly reactive
why should i assume that you're town?
You work with me.
Do you realise how faking you understand my meta and pretending you recognise this as my scum game and the fact you went to sleep when i had 7 votes makes you mafia in my eyes?
Why should i assume that you are a villager?
however, i did find a post from a scum game that you linked where your style of OMGUS'ing was extremely similar to the way you've OMGUS'd in this game. you'd have to tell me what meta i'm "faking" about you
also, was the wagon on you really at 7 votes vote when i put my vote down? i didn't know there were even 7 people online last night, lol![]()
You know what is so nice about meta? People are usually too lazy to search and they are trusting the ones who pretend they checked something
Omgusing as town is my favourite move and the best way to receive a reaction test. So when you say i omgus-ed as scum it was just a mimic of my town play. What you didn't check because it was out of your interest, was my town voting behaviour. I received tons of heat because of omgus so i know.
it's still unclear to me what meta about you that i'm faking/lying about
What?Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:41 pm by the way, I'm kinda beginning to think more that this non stop wifom spew has to mean *something* and that something is imo most likely that Michelle is hard scum reading three town read people and people will look and see "well Michelle had a really dumb read on town!Esooa and town!nutella so probably town!spf too" so yeah I'm feeling like spf is the most likely third here still. If it's not then gj making like 300 posts worth of anti spew from two members of the mafia team for one ml lol .
highly doubt that i could fake the level that michelle's ATE got to me on d1, but wont get bogged down in defending myself against what is probably just anti-spewEsooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:41 pm by the way, I'm kinda beginning to think more that this non stop wifom spew has to mean *something* and that something is imo most likely that Michelle is hard scum reading three town read people and people will look and see "well Michelle had a really dumb read on town!Esooa and town!nutella so probably town!spf too" so yeah I'm feeling like spf is the most likely third here still. If it's not then gj making like 300 posts worth of anti spew from two members of the mafia team for one ml lol .
well the fact that i've been talking to you at all today means that i'm interested in solving your slot. if you're town then i think it should be easy for you to understand why your reads would be throwing me offMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:43 pmThe eureka thing becasue i could omgus as either AI so you can confidently vote me to an early majj doesn't feel like you really wanted to solve my slot.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:39 pmthe point was that i found your OMGUS'ing town indicative - and realizing that you're more than capable of doing the same thing as scum made me realize that a lot of the reasons i had to townread you had the incorrect foundationMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:38 pmYou didn't know you let me with 7 votes and content of yourself?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:27 pmi haven't faked an understanding of your meta - i have constantly asked people about your meta in this game in an attempt to get a better baseline for how to read you. my feelings that this game is different from your scum meta is exactly what stopped me from pushing on you harder on d1Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:23 pmNo.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:19 pmwork with me for a second - do you understand why spf!town might grow concerned that your three top scumreads are the three people who happened to vote you first? and can you see why it might become even more concerning that you are doubling down on your confidence instead o re-evaluating and outing thoughtful observations?
why should i assume that you're town?
You work with me.
Do you realise how faking you understand my meta and pretending you recognise this as my scum game and the fact you went to sleep when i had 7 votes makes you mafia in my eyes?
Why should i assume that you are a villager?
however, i did find a post from a scum game that you linked where your style of OMGUS'ing was extremely similar to the way you've OMGUS'd in this game. you'd have to tell me what meta i'm "faking" about you
also, was the wagon on you really at 7 votes vote when i put my vote down? i didn't know there were even 7 people online last night, lol![]()
You know what is so nice about meta? People are usually too lazy to search and they are trusting the ones who pretend they checked something
Omgusing as town is my favourite move and the best way to receive a reaction test. So when you say i omgus-ed as scum it was just a mimic of my town play. What you didn't check because it was out of your interest, was my town voting behaviour. I received tons of heat because of omgus so i know.
it's still unclear to me what meta about you that i'm faking/lying about
mm tutuu asked the same question yesterday - i addressed it here http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p707076
i think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now
if either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:49 pmi think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now
as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration
not unless you had a case for why the other one is town - but a townflip from either one right now would make me less confidentDkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:51 pmif either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:49 pmi think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now
as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration
Of course i get why my read on you is throwing you off if i am wrong.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:46 pmwell the fact that i've been talking to you at all today means that i'm interested in solving your slot. if you're town then i think it should be easy for you to understand why your reads would be throwing me offSpoiler: show
*noting this post down for later*DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:51 pmif either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:49 pmi think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now
as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration
why?nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:56 pm*noting this post down for later*DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:51 pmif either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:49 pmi think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now
as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration
nutella has been one of the my strongest townreads throughout the entire game - largely because the level of authenticity and passion that she's put into her gamesolving doesn't feel like the type of thing that nutella could fake - i've understood her thought process completely even when i haven't agreed with her, and her views & thoughts are internally consistent. i see no reason to be suspicious of her right now. (meta plays a tiny part in this - i scumread nutella on d1 a few months ago when she ~was~ mafia, so she's playing a very different game if she's scum)Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:53 pmOf course i get why my read on you is throwing you off if i am wrong.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:46 pmwell the fact that i've been talking to you at all today means that i'm interested in solving your slot. if you're town then i think it should be easy for you to understand why your reads would be throwing me offSpoiler: show
What i realise is how it can throwing you off if i am right.
What makes you defend Nutella and Esooa?
Why did you sheep so easy them when my wagon started?
because I think Made/Michelle could be v/w and this would be hoping that if the town one (Made) flips first it would for some reason clear Michelle when it def wouldn't and you could just be her teammate hereDkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:56 pmwhy?nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:56 pm*noting this post down for later*DkKoba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:51 pmif either flipped town would u trust my read on the other?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:49 pmi think youre more likely town than not, but i'm def not sheeping you on the nutella read. i don't claim to be a nutella god reader, but i've consistently found her towny and more or less in lockstep w/my thought process. i don't see any reason why i should be tinfoiling her right now
as for the michelle/made reads, i don't trust in your accuracy to read them right now when you haven't gotten to read the entirety of d2, of which much of the current discussion is based upon. but if you have a solid case for either of them being town, then i'll take it into consideration
it implies that there was at least one scum on the LC wagon, and it implies that the mafia probably feared mac in some way. these are both good things to take into account, but i don't see why they should form a basis for the reads i have today
yes bingostaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:59 pm i'd have to look back at the specific post where i decided to vote for you - but iirc, i was pretty thrown off by the OMGUS and the discrediting that you were doing toward nutella. it felt to me like your reaction to her scumreading you was much more deflective than it was inquisitive - you seemed focused on shutting down her read above all else, and you fos'd her for fos'ing you. if you did this for "reactions", then it isn't reflected in the fact that you've confidently doubled down on that read as the day has gone
i find both VCA and NKA to be immensely useful.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:01 pmit implies that there was at least one scum on the LC wagon, and it implies that the mafia probably feared mac in some way. these are both good things to take into account, but i don't see why they should form a basis for the reads i have today