The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:29 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:22 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:39 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:37 pm
Moghedien wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:36 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:34 pm Marmot and Moghedien wagons fo today??
How opportunistic of you.
I'm lock clear tho
That may be, but you're clearly floundering and grasping at any low hanging fruit you see. If I hadn't returned to the thread just now, you may not even have remembered that I exist.

I don't like this post, and it reminds me of how Mog handled Kyle in Double-Elim Mafia, where he responded to Kyle's questions with gaslighting and manipulation.

Am I really LHF? Maybe I am, I dunno.

How is that gaslighting? Or manipulation?

It's defensive. I don't necessarily buy that he knew that KZA was clear when he called him opportunistic. But I don't see what you see here.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:29 pm**

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:12 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?
I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?
My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?
You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?
WTF are you talking about?
And now I remember you engaging me on Marmot so that take could be unfair. Who are your suspects? Why are they good scum targets?

I'd love to see a flip within Marmot, Kyle & Mac. I have stated cases for all 3, they're in my ISO.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:29 pm**

So I'm gonna call Stupid Sexy Moggers town. Falc having a meta read there is likely either a true read, in which case he's the most likely of us to be correct based on knowledge of meta, or it's a pocket attempt by scum!Falc, which is still likely to make Moggers town. And, y'know, at the super quickest of skims I don't really see SSF as scum anyway from my own baseline knowledge of his meta.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:30 pm**

Can you quote the Kyle and Mac cases for me?

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:30 pm**

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:31 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:14 pm Thanks, Joseph. It's a tenuous plan, but I don't think it's a mafia-written note. I'd just like to know some Shrines before I reveal the one in the note.

From Alison’s Rolecard:
“ Mephala - You may target a player to send them an anonymous message (via the Host) that Night. You may not identify yourself in any way, violate any rules, or compel your target to violate any rules. Your message may otherwise contain any content pending Host approval.”

Is there more of a basis for thinking it’s probably from town? Because sounds like it could be any joe shmo sending that.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:31 pm**

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?
I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?
My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?
You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?

The most recent occurrence I saw was his needling of me here.

I also came across this post, which at first looked fine, but now I'm questioning the legitimacy of the Flanders read. He used the word angleshoot, but that feels a little lazy, along with the suspicion of Mac. Also, he locked in a townread on Mog here based on the Flanders read.

@falcon45ca do you believe in the Flanders read that much that you're ignoring Mog's content?

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:32 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:14 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?
welcome back everyone wants you dead

Cool, what do you want Tony?

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:33 pm**

I wouldn’t be opposed to doing a CFD onto falcon before eod.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:34 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:37 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:32 pm Daisy, Falcon, Gavial being town leans... Nah fam

I'm counting on Gavial's consistent result-claiming to eventually resolve itself if he's lying. I guess it'd be more accurate to say I'm not at a point where I want to yeet him.

What about the other two?

Falcon seems like he's playing relatively safe and made a bad push on Mac.
Daisy I just get off vibes from her. She seems like she's not being 100% genuine. Part of me thinks that Falcon and Daisy are teammates.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:40 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:34 pm Also, we're never yeeting Bo today. The day yeet is our only chance to kill mafia (maybe), so using it on someone who's probably town sounds like a bad plan. Yes mafia will probably get an artifact, but we're also giving up a chance to yeet a wolf if Bo is telling the truth.

My vote for him was a joke based on that.
you're just saying that cause you want my hammer

We have 2 options if I'm understanding correctly.

1) Yeet Bo to erase the hammer. We enter Day 4 with no dead wolves and two more dead townies.
2) Yeet someone else. Mafia gets the hammer. We enter Day 4 with two dead townies, maybe a dead wolf, and also maybe the chance at catching a wolf tonight if Bo dies.

Yeah but if we don't kill a mafia we have 2/3 dead townies plus they get a hammer

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:35 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:16 pm @Marmot
Hi welcome back my furry friend.
Anything to report from your shrine visits? Twould be helpful to hear some towny information from you

I learned someone's race last night, but I don't think that information will help anyone so I won't share it.

If I don't die today, I can learn more based on that tonight by going to another shrine.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:35 pm**

vote: falcon

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:36 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:16 pm @Marmot
Hi welcome back my furry friend.
Anything to report from your shrine visits? Twould be helpful to hear some towny information from you

I learned someone's race last night, but I don't think that information will help anyone so I won't share it.

If I don't die today, I can learn more based on that tonight by going to another shrine.

That’s basically what you said d2. I see a pattern here

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:37 pm**

I still stand by my marmot vote currently btw

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:40 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:16 pm @Marmot
Hi welcome back my furry friend.
Anything to report from your shrine visits? Twould be helpful to hear some towny information from you

I learned someone's race last night, but I don't think that information will help anyone so I won't share it.

If I don't die today, I can learn more based on that tonight by going to another shrine.
That’s basically what you said d2. I see a pattern here

You asked, and I answered. I'm sorry if you don't believe me, but this is what my role does.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:43 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:31 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?
I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?
My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?
You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?

The most recent occurrence I saw was his needling of me here.

I also came across this post, which at first looked fine, but now I'm questioning the legitimacy of the Flanders read. He used the word angleshoot, but that feels a little lazy, along with the suspicion of Mac. Also, he locked in a townread on Mog here based on the Flanders read.

@falcon45ca do you believe in the Flanders read that much that you're ignoring Mog's content?

Is it possible that SSF was scum, and so is Mog? Of course, I don't have a green check on them.

But I've nailed SSF as scum many times (& he's nailed me), we have what I'd say is excellent meta on each other. Flander's was town, I'd bet your life on it.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:44 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:31 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?
I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?
My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?
You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?

The most recent occurrence I saw was his needling of me here.

I also came across this post, which at first looked fine, but now I'm questioning the legitimacy of the Flanders read. He used the word angleshoot, but that feels a little lazy, along with the suspicion of Mac. Also, he locked in a townread on Mog here based on the Flanders read.

@falcon45ca do you believe in the Flanders read that much that you're ignoring Mog's content?
Is it possible that SSF was scum, and so is Mog? Of course, I don't have a green check on them.

But I've nailed SSF as scum many times (& he's nailed me), we have what I'd say is excellent meta on each other. Flander's was town, I'd bet your life on it.

Tony Soprano over here

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:45 pm**

Tony why vote Falcon there?

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:40 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:16 pm @Marmot
Hi welcome back my furry friend.
Anything to report from your shrine visits? Twould be helpful to hear some towny information from you

I learned someone's race last night, but I don't think that information will help anyone so I won't share it.

If I don't die today, I can learn more based on that tonight by going to another shrine.
That’s basically what you said d2. I see a pattern here
You asked, and I answered. I'm sorry if you don't believe me, but this is what my role does.

It’s just disappointing as all. Is that really the best info or even ability you have?

What shrine did you visit last night btw?

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm**

Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm**

@Marmot
Cross vote Mog

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm**

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:45 pm Tony why vote Falcon there?

i think he's pretty wolfy

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm**

Please don’t allow scum to ML you Marmot!

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm**

Everyone should also be claiming shrines based on Long Con info imo. We can decide a next move from there but there's definite potential in clears and I don't see a lot of downside to it.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm**

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.

I mean you were my wheel lock Town so I’m going with that this is a villager thus you are Town!

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:45 pm Tony why vote Falcon there?
i think he's pretty wolfy

Yes but why?

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:48 pm**

secret tell

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:48 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:31 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?
I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?
My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?
You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?

The most recent occurrence I saw was his needling of me here.

I also came across this post, which at first looked fine, but now I'm questioning the legitimacy of the Flanders read. He used the word angleshoot, but that feels a little lazy, along with the suspicion of Mac. Also, he locked in a townread on Mog here based on the Flanders read.

@falcon45ca do you believe in the Flanders read that much that you're ignoring Mog's content?
Is it possible that SSF was scum, and so is Mog? Of course, I don't have a green check on them.

But I've nailed SSF as scum many times (& he's nailed me), we have what I'd say is excellent meta on each other. Flander's was town, I'd bet your life on it.
Tony Soprano over here

If I'm Tony Soprano, you can be Bobby Baccalieri

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:49 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:30 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Bad vote, I wouldn’t mind a radish CFD though.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:49 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.
I mean you were my wheel lock Town so I’m going with that this is a villager thus you are Town!

Thanks! It means a lot that the wheel saw into my soul instantly when all everyone else saw was a useless lump of coal <3

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:49 pm**

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.

Are town usually afraid to discuss their scum reads?

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:49 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.
I mean you were my wheel lock Town so I’m going with that this is a villager thus you are Town!

Not that shit again. I thought we’d moved on to, like, Match Game or even Hollywood Squares at this point.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:50 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:30 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Bad vote, I wouldn’t mind a radish CFD though.

What planet are you on right now?

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:50 pm**

i was just about to scumread gav for not mentioning the wheel

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:52 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:10 pm The Wheel Reads!

Lock Town
Nachomamma8

Town
BoKnows
falcon45ca
Kylemii

Lean Town
DaisyCloud
Enrique
Long Con
lost monkey
MacDougall
Made
Qwags
Scotty
Syn

Null Town
KZA
Marmot
Quin
Stupid Sexy Flanders
Timsup2nothin

Null Scum
Alison
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime

Scum
Seanzie

Your scum has been, uh...not very correct thus far.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:52 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:50 pm i was just about to scumread gav for not mentioning the wheel

I was just about to Scumread Tony for not wanting to scum read me if I never mention the wheel again.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:52 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:52 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:10 pm The Wheel Reads!

Lock Town
Nachomamma8

Town
BoKnows
falcon45ca
Kylemii

Lean Town
DaisyCloud
Enrique
Long Con
lost monkey
MacDougall
Made
Qwags
Scotty
Syn

Null Town
KZA
Marmot
Quin
Stupid Sexy Flanders
Timsup2nothin

Null Scum
Alison
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime

Scum
Seanzie
Your scum has been, uh...not very correct thus far.

Yeah those reads are very inaccurate.
The wheel is very Not smart.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:55 pm**

Going through with the reads made by a randomizer isn't very smart either

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:57 pm**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:55 pm Going through with the reads made by a randomizer isn't very smart either

you should see his normal reads

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 1:59 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:57 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:55 pm Going through with the reads made by a randomizer isn't very smart either
you should see his normal reads

I've seen them. Part of me think Gavial is scum because he isn't saying things like
"There's always at least one scum in TSP/BoKnows/Marmot" all the time.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:01 pm**

yeah i think it's a good reason to scumread him here

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:01 pm**

the wheel is maybe too absurd for his scumgame though

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:03 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:01 pm the wheel is maybe too absurd for his scumgame though

Basing your D1 reads on a wheel doesn't exactly scream "town" to me

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:04 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:01 pm yeah i think it's a good reason to scumread him here

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:01 pm the wheel is maybe too absurd for his scumgame though

10 second turn around, love it

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:19 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:48 pm secret tell

I'd love to hear it. I've been Maf on Syndicate only once, in Bee Mafia, and you weren't in that game.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 pm**

aight kids I've let you play in the mud long enough let's chop tim the Mafia plz

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 pm aight kids I've let you play in the mud long enough let's chop tim the Mafia plz

What’s this now

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 pm**

if you agree it means you're elite

if you don't it means you are poop tier

get on my level

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:22 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 pm aight kids I've let you play in the mud long enough let's chop tim the Mafia plz
What’s this now

I figured out that there is always a mafia between you and Tim and picked him over you.

Posted: **Wed May 19, 2021 2:23 pm**

today we are going to make the heroic decision to stop letting the Mafia dictate terms and chop their head off instead and it will go down in Syndicate lore as the greatest moment in the history of this fine community.

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