The Syndicate

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:25 pm She said to believe Wisp was town, so yes.

There is no way she looks at their D1 and says 'Omg how someone dares to accuse me of being wolf' because the amount of wolfsiding there is insane even using the perspective she has now on this day.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:29 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:25 pm She said to believe Wisp was town, so yes.

There is no way she looks at their D1 and says 'Omg how someone dares to accuse me of being wolf' because the amount of wolfsiding there is insane even using the perspective she has now on this day.

Funny how I have a bunch of people on my wagon but most of my attention has been focused on you.

It's almost like your specific accusation of me being a wolf was filled with malice and wolfy motivations.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:17 pm Also if you are actually town, Santygrass hard tunneling you doesn't make him mafia. If anything it makes him more towny.

???

Are you seriously going to townread someone for blatantly killing townies with no remorse? Come on

I know you are laughing while posting this. Townies kill townies with no remorse in every game of mafia that's ever played Alison.

But why is it a reason to actively townread them

You can argue that someone sucks at mafia so them making an int read is NAI but surely you don't think killing townies is done more often by Santy as town than as mafia... like this guy isn't a troll or anything, he's a regular and well respected player, he's not gonna show up and run it down for no reason

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:29 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:25 pm She said to believe Wisp was town, so yes.

There is no way she looks at their D1 and says 'Omg how someone dares to accuse me of being wolf' because the amount of wolfsiding there is insane even using the perspective she has now on this day.

Funny how I have a bunch of people on my wagon but most of my attention has been focused on you.

It's almost like your specific accusation of me being a wolf was filled with malice and wolfy motivations.

You were sussing ender before I voted you *yawn*

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:24 pm In fact your entire day 1 could be described as blatantly killing townies with no remorse if Wisp is the town that everyone believes him to be.

Yes. Notice how nobody is giving me townreads for it?

So why are you giving a townread to Santy for blatantly killing me a townie?

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:31 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if Alison is town they are grossly misrepresenting Santy

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm Alison confirmed red at this point. What does that mean for Nanook? Scummate preventing Alison from having to prove her ability by voting for her D1!?

One piece

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm Alison confirmed red at this point. What does that mean for Nanook? Scummate preventing Alison from having to prove her ability by voting for her D1!?

One piece

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:31 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if Alison is town they are grossly misrepresenting Santy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:17 pm Also if you are actually town, Santygrass hard tunneling you doesn't make him mafia. If anything it makes him more towny.

???

Are you seriously going to townread someone for blatantly killing townies with no remorse? Come on

I know you are laughing while posting this. Townies kill townies with no remorse in every game of mafia that's ever played Alison.

But why is it a reason to actively townread them

You can argue that someone sucks at mafia so them making an int read is NAI but surely you don't think killing townies is done more often by Santy as town than as mafia... like this guy isn't a troll or anything, he's a regular and well respected player, he's not gonna show up and run it down for no reason

Well, about that.

...

You're wrong lol.

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Well firstly, I don't think Santy is actually wrong this time so I don't actually feel the need to really defend him on this basis.

But if he IS, I can cite multiple games I've played with Santy where he's hard tunneled townies to the point of having egg on his face. Santy is the kind of player who sometimes will endgame as town in a townsweep and be the only one who was wrong the whole time. That's not because he's a bad player, he just has a lot of conviction in the way he pushes people and so when his reads are wrong, like everyone's can be, they have the tendency to be really embarrassingly wrong.

And given his points made against you are actually all really awesome if he's wrong here it's even more forgiveable.

Still haven't really seen you pick apart any of his actual arguments.

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm Alison confirmed red at this point. What does that mean for Nanook? Scummate preventing Alison from having to prove her ability by voting for her D1!?

One piece

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:33 pm Look, can we not spend half our game insulting other people?

I'm really tired of opening thread rn.

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:34 pm

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm Alison confirmed red at this point. What does that mean for Nanook? Scummate preventing Alison from having to prove her ability by voting for her D1!?

One piece

that makes absolutely no sense
like Nanook doesn't just sit on his partner, to roleblock their ability
what is the play here?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm If Alison flips green btw Chamo is back near the top of my sus list because the "trying to bait Wisp to block Alison" is still like an actual big deal.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:17 pm Also if you are actually town, Santygrass hard tunneling you doesn't make him mafia. If anything it makes him more towny.

???

Are you seriously going to townread someone for blatantly killing townies with no remorse? Come on

I know you are laughing while posting this. Townies kill townies with no remorse in every game of mafia that's ever played Alison.

But why is it a reason to actively townread them

You can argue that someone sucks at mafia so them making an int read is NAI but surely you don't think killing townies is done more often by Santy as town than as mafia... like this guy isn't a troll or anything, he's a regular and well respected player, he's not gonna show up and run it down for no reason

Well, about that.

...

You're wrong lol.

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Well firstly, I don't think Santy is actually wrong this time so I don't actually feel the need to really defend him on this basis.

But if he IS, I can cite multiple games I've played with Santy where he's hard tunneled townies to the point of having egg on his face. Santy is the kind of player who sometimes will endgame as town in a townsweep and be the only one who was wrong the whole time. That's not because he's a bad player, he just has a lot of conviction in the way he pushes people and so when his reads are wrong, like everyone's can be, they have the tendency to be really embarrassingly wrong.

And given his points made against you are actually all really awesome if he's wrong here it's even more forgiveable.

Still haven't really seen you pick apart any of his actual arguments.

From this post I have determined that Mac is definitely mafia, I have given him every chance in the world to show me his point of view, and given him everything he wants to show him my point of view and he refuses to listen to reason, when he always does when we are town together.

Not recanting this read no matter what happens from now on. You are now an outed wolf.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:34 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:33 pm Look, can we not spend half our game insulting other people?

I'm really tired of opening thread rn.

Quote where one player has insulted another.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:31 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if Alison is town they are grossly misrepresenting Santy

Here comes the perennial either wolf or wolfsider

Right on time, like clockwork

You can always rely on Wisp to work for the wolf team no matter what alignment they are

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:29 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:25 pm She said to believe Wisp was town, so yes.

There is no way she looks at their D1 and says 'Omg how someone dares to accuse me of being wolf' because the amount of wolfsiding there is insane even using the perspective she has now on this day.

Funny how I have a bunch of people on my wagon but most of my attention has been focused on you.

It's almost like your specific accusation of me being a wolf was filled with malice and wolfy motivations.

You were sussing ender before I voted you *yawn*

I was sussing Ender before he voted me.

So it wasn't "omg how dare Ender accuse me of being wolf". In fact my suspicion of him dropped off after he voted me which is the opposite of the pattern you describe.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm If Alison flips green btw Chamo is back near the top of my sus list because the "trying to bait Wisp to block Alison" is still like an actual big deal.

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm If Alison flips green btw Chamo is back near the top of my sus list because the "trying to bait Wisp to block Alison" is still like an actual big deal.

I honestly dont even remember that, but I was never planning on doing that regardless
I very much wanted to see what benefits Alison would get, but Nanook made that impossible

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:36 pm You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm If Alison flips green btw Chamo is back near the top of my sus list because the "trying to bait Wisp to block Alison" is still like an actual big deal.

I honestly dont even remember that, but I was never planning on doing that regardless
I very much wanted to see what benefits Alison would get, but Nanook made that impossible

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:37 pm I also don't think I'll necessarily sus Mac as hard as other slots immediately just cause town getting tunnelled hard on something and confbiasing themselves out the wazoo is things I will see in every mafia game ever and Mac is not immune from this.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:38 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:36 pm You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:31 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if Alison is town they are grossly misrepresenting Santy

Here comes the perennial either wolf or wolfsider

Right on time, like clockwork

You can always rely on Wisp to work for the wolf team no matter what alignment they are

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:34 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:33 pm Look, can we not spend half our game insulting other people?

I'm really tired of opening thread rn.

Quote where one player has insulted another.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:31 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if Alison is town they are grossly misrepresenting Santy

Here comes the perennial either wolf or wolfsider

Right on time, like clockwork

You can always rely on Wisp to work for the wolf team no matter what alignment they are

I'm not talking about calling each other names or shit. But this snide sideways insults of player abilities.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:39 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:37 pm I also don't think I'll necessarily sus Mac as hard as other slots immediately just cause town getting tunnelled hard on something and confbiasing themselves out the wazoo is things I will see in every mafia game ever and Mac is not immune from this.

til debating with your wolfread and calling out when they are making fallacious arguments is tunneling hard

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:38 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:36 pm You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:39 pm Alison I actually liked Santy's progression onto you. I don't think it's out of their wolf range but hardly made up.

Are you still going to townread me for my change or am I back in your POE with this post?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:40 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:34 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:33 pm Look, can we not spend half our game insulting other people?

I'm really tired of opening thread rn.

Quote where one player has insulted another.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:31 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if Alison is town they are grossly misrepresenting Santy

Here comes the perennial either wolf or wolfsider

Right on time, like clockwork

You can always rely on Wisp to work for the wolf team no matter what alignment they are

I'm not talking about calling each other names or shit. But this snide sideways insults of player abilities.

I think you have to really stretch to call that an insult. Wisp is objectively hard wolfsiding from where I am standing and I have the right to say it.

When I insult someone, I make sure they damn well know they're being insulted and catch a 3 month ban from MU in the process.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:37 pm Mac's defense of Santy in a world where I flip V is that Santy should be exempt from being held accountable for voting out townies because they sometimes are wrong.

This is dumb. I have been loudly wrong. So has he. At no point did we ever even consider the possibility that people should not just let us off the hook for it, but even townread us for being wrong.

Mac isn't dumb. But he is saying things that make no sense.

Ergo Mac is mafia buddies with Santy and he got caught trying to overextend to defend his mafia partner.

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:32 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:31 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if Alison is town they are grossly misrepresenting Santy

Here comes the perennial either wolf or wolfsider

Right on time, like clockwork

You can always rely on Wisp to work for the wolf team no matter what alignment they are

This is literally the first time I've been able to sit at my desk all day, and I only have a few hours
and that wasn't even me calling you a wolf, but idk what im supposed to do if its either I accept you have a wolf red on Santy, which I dont believe is the case, or I dont
but individual play points to them not being a wolf, or you are just getting buried by ur own bravado
I 100% believe you twisted the hell out of everything Santy has down

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:42 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:39 pm Alison I actually liked Santy's progression onto you. I don't think it's out of their wolf range but hardly made up.

Are you still going to townread me for my change or am I back in your POE with this post?

I have never townread you at any point in the game. The only reason you are not in my bottom POE is because of Aro putting you in his never kill list.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:38 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:36 pm You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:42 pm I see "This person always wolfsides no matter what alignment" isn't an insult.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:39 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:37 pm I also don't think I'll necessarily sus Mac as hard as other slots immediately just cause town getting tunnelled hard on something and confbiasing themselves out the wazoo is things I will see in every mafia game ever and Mac is not immune from this.

til debating with your wolfread and calling out when they are making fallacious arguments is tunneling hard

At what point did you miss the "If Alison flips green" part of this pretext?

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:43 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:38 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:36 pm You would also sussing me for no reason before I voted you. Like legit I was hard shielding you and you were like 'yeh they can die' .

And my point is that you should look at my push on you and see tha its fsir in its basis, because it was mostly based on your D1 play but you are choosing to not engage on that and misrepresent me or create lies

1) Nothing about your push makes any logical sense. It is made up. Everyone who isn't mafia or honorary mafia thinks it's made up.

2) The fact that I was pushing you even before you started voting me is evidence against your claim that I am simply OMGUSing btw.

Other people think Santy's argument on you was bad? I'd like to discuss this with these people. Who are they?

What about all the people who have said that they will treat Santy as a suspect if I flip V?

Off the top of my head, Nanook, Lily and dya have said something along those lines. Ender is voting Santy right now.

I mean that's what u do, or at least the correct play, to re-evaluate them
still wouldn't think his case on you was wolfy

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:43 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:42 pm I see "This person always wolfsides no matter what alignment" isn't an insult.

Apparently Mac even townclears people off it.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:59 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

this should solidify town santy tbh he went from alison lock town to alison lock wolf in like 16 hours and had genuine progression

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:43 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:39 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:37 pm I also don't think I'll necessarily sus Mac as hard as other slots immediately just cause town getting tunnelled hard on something and confbiasing themselves out the wazoo is things I will see in every mafia game ever and Mac is not immune from this.

til debating with your wolfread and calling out when they are making fallacious arguments is tunneling hard

At what point did you miss the "If Alison flips green" part of this pretext?

i don't see how alison's alignment changes the past, I'm not tunneling lol