Re: Mafia: A World Reborn Game Thread - Day 13
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:45 pm
EBWOP, I think Golden went along with it since he trusted Sorsha. She had been making feints at Bass for several days.
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I meant, "Who told you this?" :PTurnip Head wrote:After thinking on it more, you're right, I should not have even said anythingThe drunk is strong in this one. Help the civs Obi-Marmot, you're our only hope.
I only said it because I want to picture the terror in the baddies' eyes as their best laid plans go to shit by getting the facts wrongIt's basic mathematics.
Why does everyone think you're protecting SVS, Marsh?
and this oneGolden wrote:You do know MMs role, right? Or believe you do?Tranq wrote:You can't be seriousGolden wrote:If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.
also this postGolden wrote:You mean... about how we get some circle and then double back on SVS later?Tranq wrote:I don't think anyone paying attention to the thread can be in doubt of MM's role.
Did you read the conversation i just had with Sorsha?
I would be up for that too... who do you think is the best first lynch if we go circle first...
The thing is... if SVS is trickster, and with MM in the field... I could see it being 3 v 3 right now, and one team has a potential serial killer. Thats why I think going that way isn't a bad idea. I wouldn't advocate then immediately lynching SVS the next day... its a tight needle to thread.
and this oneTranq wrote:Cabal? Yes.
MM's role? No. The game can perfectly end with a civ win and with MM still being alive. MM wouldn't win, but the game would end
And all of Tranq's posts about his plan for the Circle will get rid of you and then SVS.Tranq wrote:I don't think anyone paying attention to the thread can be in doubt of MM's role.
Did you read the conversation i just had with Sorsha?
Having reread the roles, i stand by my pointDom wrote:No, I think you need to read the roles.Tranq wrote:Wrong. Read the roles :PDom wrote:The only way you don't need his role dead is if you are Cabal.Tranq wrote: - lynch a role nobody needs dead
@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?
I'm not convinced on LoRab being bad. I wouldn't put money on it at this point. I see several scenarios in which LoRab could be civvie. I see several scenarios in which LoRab could be bad. My opinion on her largely depends on which why she ends up voting today. I also didn't say Wilgy's flip was Trickster influenced, i said it could be. Because it could be. Wilgy didn't sound like his civvie self at all, plus he was revealed as having a role that could've easily prevented his own lynch. I'm considering all options.Turnip Head wrote:Tranq, you think Lorab is bad, and that Wilgy's flip was Trickster influenced... which team do you think Lorab is on, and which team is the Trickster on? Lorab is the only player I can see negatively benefiting from a Tricky Wilgy flip. Do you think the Trickster changed Wilgy's alignment to make Lorab look bad?
Wait, i thought the Golem is protecting you? How would he lose the game if you claim to be civ?Turnip Head wrote:Is this the answer you were looking for Tranq? No we don't need the Golem dead. I suppose we can ask him nicely to not kill anyone and lose the game for himself.Long Con wrote:No team needs the Tarnished Golem dead to win. He mimics the Win Condition of the player he's watching over, but doesn't technically join their team.Tranq wrote:@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?
You're twisting the conversation. You asked what would happen if he's protecting a baddie. I do think the Golem is protecting me, but I guess everyone else thinks he's protecting SVSTranq wrote:Wait, i thought the Golem is protecting you? How would he lose the game if you claim to be civ?Turnip Head wrote:Is this the answer you were looking for Tranq? No we don't need the Golem dead. I suppose we can ask him nicely to not kill anyone and lose the game for himself.Long Con wrote:No team needs the Tarnished Golem dead to win. He mimics the Win Condition of the player he's watching over, but doesn't technically join their team.Tranq wrote:@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?
I'd really prefer an MM vote - but if I can't get it going I'm going to vote TH.Tranq wrote:Jesus. Here i think we're in a possibly LYLO situation and you're off playing other gamesGolden wrote:Sorry - I haven't put very much eye on this thread recently, I've been too focussed on the other game. My bad. I'm going to try and get back into this one shortly. It's just that the other has been taking a lot of my energy.![]()
Where do you think your vote is going to?
What do you think of the Golem protecting TH? :P
Testing the theory would require us to lynch neither MM or TH, so I'm not in support of that.Tranq wrote:Well, Timmer voted you on Day 10. Maybe we should test your theory by asking the Golem to NK Timmer tonight?
It has a very plain meaning. I gave you a link to both the definition, and then I explained exactly what I meant and why I said it. The fact you are still harping on it does not look good for you, in my opinion.Turnip Head wrote:He said he was "more or less 100% sure" Bass was bad; as I've been harping on, what does that even mean?
No, in that case it wasn't Sorsha. It was all my own process of elimination, genuinely, as I put in the thread.S~V~S wrote:EBWOP, I think Golden went along with it since he trusted Sorsha. She had been making feints at Bass for several days.
Well that explains why the golem killed Mac. I didn't trust Mac, I felt he would have sold us down the river, but I think Sorsha got upset because there was a circle of trust and they started killing each other. I did have mixed feelings about it.S~V~S wrote:Mac claimed to be a secret role. He explained how a hidden role worked, which involves another player, and is not important or anything I think LC would be OK with me discussing, but it was plausible, and I was not the only one to be told this. After G9 blew up, I checked the map, and hit the magnifying glass, and it took me to the hosts photobucket for Mafia. I got nosy, and in the middle of the role pictures for the game was this:
Amnesiac Psychopath. This is NOT the role he claimed to be.
NOT a friendly looking guy, and not in the role list. And I got the impression Sorsha trusted him, and she got pretty upset when he died. So there was that too.
If you think it's possible that you can be "more or less" 100% sure about something, then you're the one who doesn't understand the phrase. I did not need the definition, I know what it means. You're using it wrong because those two things are mutually exclusive. You either think something is 100% true or you don't. It's basic mathematics.Golden wrote:It has a very plain meaning. I gave you a link to both the definition, and then I explained exactly what I meant and why I said it. The fact you are still harping on it does not look good for you, in my opinion.Turnip Head wrote:He said he was "more or less 100% sure" Bass was bad; as I've been harping on, what does that even mean?
Golden wrote:No, in that case it wasn't Sorsha. It was all my own process of elimination, genuinely, as I put in the thread.S~V~S wrote:EBWOP, I think Golden went along with it since he trusted Sorsha. She had been making feints at Bass for several days.
G9 - I'm almost certain splints was responsible for that, but I think it was a cursecrafter item.
I did not get the impression he had info fwiw.Turnip Head wrote:If you think it's possible that you can be "more or less" 100% sure about something, then you're the one who doesn't understand the phrase. I did not need the definition, I know what it means. You're using it wrong because those two things are mutually exclusive. You either think something is 100% true or you don't. It's basic mathematics.Golden wrote:It has a very plain meaning. I gave you a link to both the definition, and then I explained exactly what I meant and why I said it. The fact you are still harping on it does not look good for you, in my opinion.Turnip Head wrote:He said he was "more or less 100% sure" Bass was bad; as I've been harping on, what does that even mean?
More likely, I think you used "100%" to get people to think you had info, and then said "more or less" to give yourself an out. If you wanted us to think you weren't sure, you would have used a percentage less than 100. You used 100% several times that Day.
Testing the theory wouldn't require TH to be alive. It was a joke anyway.Golden wrote:Testing the theory would require us to lynch neither MM or TH, so I'm not in support of that.Tranq wrote:Well, Timmer voted you on Day 10. Maybe we should test your theory by asking the Golem to NK Timmer tonight?
I admit i might be getting paranoid hereGolden wrote:I'm not quite as worried about lylo as you are clearly, I feel like we have to play it smart to pick off both teams, its the possibility of a serial killer and its extra kill that is an extra factor outside of the town and lynches that I've most worried about right now.
If this is true, TH using an apparatus to keep him safe, then that means the Circle could potentially still have the Lich's 1x lynch stop.Turnip Head wrote:I was poisoned on night 1 but after assembling a few pieces of an item I was able to construct an apparatus that could keep me safe.
The person who recruited me.S~V~S wrote:Did you ever answer this Dom; who told you about MMs role?Dom wrote:Weren't you after TH for using Wifom????S~V~S wrote:I don't know if Tranq is stupid enough to kill someone on the same square as he is, but I am not. Even if I had a kill, which I don't.
So Dom, who told you about MMs role?
Now, if their protected player is dead...Long Con wrote:No team needs the Tarnished Golem dead to win. He mimics the Win Condition of the player he's watching over, but doesn't technically join their team.Tranq wrote:@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?
So... you think the baddies are gonna take out SVS so the Golem can kill them? Are you seriously suggesting they are that stupid?The Tarnished Golem wins when its watched-over player wins. If its watched-over player dies, the Tarnished Golem may kill every other night, any target, and wins only by killing the ones it holds responsible, and surviving until the end. Immune to poison.
It isn't. SVS is scrambling.Tranq wrote:Also i don't see how any of this Mac Secret Role stuff is relevant to today's lynch
But... why would they, if they have the numbers? Why wouldn't they avoid it? Put it on the civvies until they have numbers?Tranq wrote:Read my posts, Dom. I said the Circle could NK MM, not NK SVS.
Why didn't you reply to the question i asked here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p204938
- The Circle could NK MM. Let's say they have no other targets other than MM, why wouldn't they NK him? I guess if they had no other targets they could try to NK you again
- We could lynch SVS as the very last baddie and end the game with MM still alive.
Neither of these are fool proof ideas but at the very least i want to reduce Circle numbers until Timmer appears on the poll again.
I think you're Circle, fwiw. I think Matt was right about you. I don't expect you to change your vote. You clearly aren't considering any option other than not lynching a Circle today
Itis also possible that I'm civ and right about Dom, lol. As I've said, I think Dom is civ aligned. I know I am a civ. Anyway, I will likely vote TH. I fee like he's talking in circles and that he is missing things in the thread and coming to conclusions that just don't make sense (like that he's the one being protected by gollum--which really makes little logical sense) which doesn't seem in character for him. I feel like he's spewing whatever comes to mind in hopes of saving himself.Tranq wrote:I said if you want to lynch a Circle. If you'd rather see yourself lynched today, well that's up to youMetalmarsh89 wrote:You keep telling me I can't win, yet you want me to do what you say?Tranq wrote:@ MM: How realistic do you think the odds of a Sorsha lynch are today? I'd say pretty low, and i'm not even fully convinced she's bad atm. Vote TH if you want to lynch a Circle member.
Which reminds me. Golden, did you learn anything from your backtracking of Sorsha?
Timmer has atleast 2-3 teammembers left. If it isn't Sorsha, then given his behavior Dom would make the most sense and as i think you and Dom are on the same team, that means you aswell. It's also possible you are civ and wrong about Dom. Or you are Circle and are playing him. Either way, my suspicion of you isn't set in stone and you helping to lynch a Circle member today could clear things up.LoRab wrote:I agree it makes more sense to lynch circle. But I also don't think we can depend on them to kill who we want to.
What makes you think that I'm circle?
You said you agree it makes more sense to lynch Circle today. Where do you think your vote is going to?
In light of Matt's flip, what do you think of the Dom vs Matt stuff?
Most of the names are fairly ambiguous. A couple of them seem like things that could be combined with others, but maybe not--I'd think one would need to find recipe or something in order to do that. I know there is a poison cure, but that doesn't seem to be what TH is saying.Tranq wrote:@ LoRab: Does the list of items include an item that sounds like the one TH claims he used?
I'm still down to vote for Golden if you are. Funny how I'm the one accused of spewing nonsense. Golden hasn't made sense in daysS~V~S wrote:So you think lynching someone who you don;t need dead to win is cool? Host verified?
My entire concept of you has changed, tbh.
Those of you that have item lists; have you heard of "warping potion"?
It's a straw man argument to say I don't need him dead to win. My win condition does not need him dead to win. However, I believe in practice I almost certainly will not win unless he is dead. I have to be alive to win, SVS.S~V~S wrote:So you think lynching someone who you don;t need dead to win is cool? Host verified?
My entire concept of you has changed, tbh.
this.Golden wrote:It's a straw man argument to say I don't need him dead to win. My win condition does not need him dead to win. However, I believe in practice I almost certainly will not win unless he is dead. I have to be alive to win, SVS.S~V~S wrote:So you think lynching someone who you don;t need dead to win is cool? Host verified?
My entire concept of you has changed, tbh.
#1) Why so snide? As you said before, it doesn't suit you well.S~V~S wrote:Calling it a fancy name like "straw man" or whatever jargon does not change that you are voting for someone who is no threat to you just because. You aren't paying attention.
Hiding behind strategy terms does not make it better tbh. If you think I am bad, have some balls and vote for me. But voting for MM becasue he trusted you and told you the truth about his role sucks.
So, yeah. I understand that technically, MM does not need to die for a civ win, but in practice-- he does.A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
I was talking to Golden, actually. I missed the Linki. And I did not think i was being snide; and if you think I have been being snide, you don't know me as well as I thought you did. I think Golden is misguided, and I am somewhat upset about that, but I don't think "snide" is fair. And yeah, strawman is the kind of thing Llama & Epi pepper their posts with. So I know what it is. I would not expect you to defend it.Dom wrote:#1) Why so snide? As you said before, it doesn't suit you well.S~V~S wrote:Calling it a fancy name like "straw man" or whatever jargon does not change that you are voting for someone who is no threat to you just because. You aren't paying attention.
Hiding behind strategy terms does not make it better tbh. If you think I am bad, have some balls and vote for me. But voting for MM becasue he trusted you and told you the truth about his role sucks.
#2)So, yeah. I understand that technically, MM does not need to die for a civ win, but in practice-- he does.A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
Posts like this only make me more sure you're bad. You're attempting to use emotion to manipulate me into backing off you. You've done it in this game before.S~V~S wrote:I was talking to Golden, actually. I missed the Linki. And I did not think i was being snide; and if you think I have been being snide, you don't know me as well as I thought you did. I think Golden is misguided, and I am somewhat upset about that, but I don't think "snide" is fair. And yeah, strawman is the kind of thing Llama & Epi pepper their posts with. So I know what it is. I would not expect you to defend it.Dom wrote:#1) Why so snide? As you said before, it doesn't suit you well.S~V~S wrote:Calling it a fancy name like "straw man" or whatever jargon does not change that you are voting for someone who is no threat to you just because. You aren't paying attention.
Hiding behind strategy terms does not make it better tbh. If you think I am bad, have some balls and vote for me. But voting for MM becasue he trusted you and told you the truth about his role sucks.
#2)So, yeah. I understand that technically, MM does not need to die for a civ win, but in practice-- he does.A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
Not really the argument I made, but sure.S~V~S wrote:So if I am rude,I am being snide, and if I am nice I am bieng manipulative?
Gotcha
How suicidal would it really be?S~V~S wrote:I didn't
Killing people on the same square would be suicidal.
Only if they survive...S~V~S wrote:I didn't
Killing people on the same square would be suicidal.
Oh trust me, I know all about that this gameS~V~S wrote:Um, bodies are still lying around. Leaving bodies behind you would be lame. Plus there are ways to know who was on what square.
The thing that disturbs me most about this game is the stupid things I am being accused of doing. Seriously, guys.