Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Turnip Head]

Maybe if he gets everyone in the game to answer his riddles, then his win condition will be met.

Those knock knock jokes were directed to certain people. Though he stopped asking people specifically pretty soon after asking Golden and Bullz yesterday, so maybe not.

My question still stands- Enrique, did you ever reveal the piece of evidence that made you go back on your sus of Matt?

linki: Dom, if so, who targeted him for the knock knock jokes? Because no one is talking in knock knock jokes today.

yeahh and then i went back on that too its a mess tbh im over it

Why do we fall Scotty?

[Turnip Head]

bea idk why but it pings me when you agree with posts without elaborating at all Just thought you deserved to know.

[Scotty]

I'm glad we decided to keep Matt around.

The thing is, if he were to actually answer questions posed to him instead of just Shakeing it up over here, then maybe we would be less wary of him. But his behavior does not come off as that of a civ at this point.

In the later comics, the Riddler actually helps Batman. And generally he drops clues for the cops to solve, but I'm at a loss for how any of this is helpful to the town. I'm not sure we're seeing anything but a guy with his own sillypoopoopants agenda.

[Turnip Head]

Yeah but it's fun to keep him around as a pet. He's like the ugly best friend you hang out with to make yourself look more attractive

[DharmaHelper]

There is no excuse for any Superman film to be R Rated I am so mad

[Scotty]

Maybe if he gets everyone in the game to answer his riddles, then his win condition will be met.

Those knock knock jokes were directed to certain people. Though he stopped asking people specifically pretty soon after asking Golden and Bullz yesterday, so maybe not.

My question still stands- Enrique, did you ever reveal the piece of evidence that made you go back on your sus of Matt?

linki: Dom, if so, who targeted him for the knock knock jokes? Because no one is talking in knock knock jokes today.

yeahh and then i went back on that too its a mess tbh im over it

Why do we fall Scotty?

You can only fall so many times before you break a hip.

I think Enrique is literally Humpty Dumpty. Batman's arch-eggesis.

linki:

[bea]

I'm not ignoring it. It's just not anything I'd refer to as cheerleading. Here's that post:

Sig and nero... Sig, the ultimate in mislynch meta and nero who I've never played with before. Both ping me for different reasons.

Sig - Well, I am seeing an unusually thorough sig. He's held together. Usually civ sig is a little more mealy mouthed lol. His responses to being put under threat here are a little alarming.
Nerolunar - There was the thing on day 1 where he tried to jump in on the Turnip Head suspicion and when TH growled at him he backed off all like "lol jks bra" and tbh that is arguably the most surface scummy thing that has occurred. Coupled with Matt wanting him lynched...

I think I'd endorse Nero being lynched over sig.

You make broad generalizations about sig's play and you refer to the specific ping about Nero. You conclude by saying "I think I'd endorse Nero over sig." If you call that cheerleading I disagree, I've seen you "cheer lead" a lynch before and it doesn't look like that. You made the cases against both.

Where have you seen me cheer lead a lynch before?

LC is game of champs comes to mind....

[MacDougall]

I cheer lead LC's lynch on GoC?

[bea]

I cheer lead LC's lynch on GoC?

yea - I kept reading on and realized I was backwards thinking. Came back here to clarify for the real timers...

I read cheerlead as defend. like jjj style. I wasn't thinking cheerlead like lets all keep voting this baddie!

I'm rediculous sauce sometimes.

still plugging along though....

[bea]

Dom- what do you think of TH's case on BR?

I'm not dom but I find it interesting as well. I'd like to hear what BR has to day, but TH raises a darn fine point.

[bea]

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Hamlet! I thought your posts were reading familiar....

but also srrsly? twice in a row??

[bea]

I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

He's Riddler man.

How so?

[bea]

I also think Enrique is suspicious. I'd like to discuss players who've not been discussed lately too though. What does everyone think of juliets, Lorab, and Typhoony?

All of that said, sig is my number one suspect.

JC feels like JC.
Typh feels like Typh.
Lorab is out of the country being awesome so it's super hard to read her. She's a tough read when she is in the country and fully engaged. On the road and doing the trek to the motherland? Yea...hard to get a solid read on her.

These are far from illuminating, but thanks for answering anyway.

Also, sig is my number one suspect.

tbh, I felt a bit like wabbit answering them. Just that I don't see anything from them that sticks out to me yet, ya know?

[bea]

Matt and MP do you think plagueing the thread with this stuff is helping us find bad guys?

You must bear with me:
Pray you now, forget and forgive: I am old and foolish.

Lear?

[Scotty]

In case I die tonight, my reads for Mafia are now Dom, zebra, and Sorsha.

why? or were they the ones that voted you day 2 and I'm stupid?

Dom's tone was bugging me. It almost felt like he had a conscious switch from antagonizing and quarrelsome to lighthearted and careful since Nero was lynched. Something I can't put my finger on. I'm not even sure what this signifies. Did anyone else notice that, or is it just me?
zebra seemed like an eager beaver early on then dropped off the map considerably. Moot point now, but I didn't see her as a civ.
As for Sorsha, I don't have a case, and actually shouldn't have put her name out yet, because looking back through her posts, I'm not seeing what I thought I saw.

I do think that if Typh isn't Penguin- like a bunch of people are agreeing on- then his MP vote seemed off to me, and might actually be a candidate for mafia.

linki: bea, Matt is a loosy goose. Don't give him bread or he will spew useless jargon at you.

[bea]

bea idk why but it pings me when you agree with posts without elaborating at all Just thought you deserved to know.

thanks for letting me know - it's hard to add being terminally behind. lol. When you are as complete as you guys are, it's hard to have anything more to say than yup.

And even when I say yup - about 3 pages later then I'm all - oh fuck. No ok. That makes sense too. My catch up struggle is real TH...

[MacDougall]

I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

He's Riddler man.

How so?

He's posting in riddles two days in a row. Different kinds. Day 1 knock knock jokes. Day 2 Shakespeare. Can't be double targeted...

I don't think that makes him anti-town though.

[Scotty]

I'm wondering what Matt's ailment is. He's obviously speaking in some sort of Shakespearean cadence. But i would assume people aren't allowed to target the same person twice in a row...so...what different curse would be causing 1st grade knock knock jokes followed by medieval tonguesmith.

Joker -> Riddler?

Or has Matt been targeted by the Penguin early on? Do we know that the Penguin's target has to vote a certain way, or just has to act a certain way?

He's Riddler man.

How so?

He's posting in riddles two days in a row. Different kinds. Day 1 knock knock jokes. Day 2 Shakespeare. Can't be double targeted...

I don't think that makes him anti-town though.

So should we humor him and call and response his quotes from shakes' canon then? bea just called out Lear, so we're well on our way. I wonder if we can get him to get into the poems...

[bea]

Now that I am caught up - here is my main issue with typh = penguin = the reason MP has a number 1 favorite vote evah.

The blackmail aspect of the role feels like a cursing role. I would think that typh has played enough games with skilled people at cursing roles to write stipulations into the curse to make what MP is doing null the curse. He was around for all of the Hunger's various forms if I remember correctly at the *very* least. What ever MP has been hit by feels like it was sent from someone who hasn't had a lot of experience with that sort of role and doesn't quite know what to do with it.

linki - so you are saying that the riddles is a thing HE has to do as part of his role then, not something he targets someone else with?
That doesn't make sense to me. Why would the hosts make him out himself so hard if he were the Riddler? Are you seeing it something like Mr. Popularity - where the more attention he gets, the more powerful he becomes?

linki again - IDK if it was lear for sure. I guessed. I didn't want to cheat and google it.

[Scotty]

Now that I am caught up - here is my main issue with typh = penguin = the reason MP has a number 1 favorite vote evah.

The blackmail aspect of the role feels like a cursing role. I would think that typh has played enough games with skilled people at cursing roles to write stipulations into the curse to make what MP is doing null the curse. He was around for all of the Hunger's various forms if I remember correctly at the *very* least. What ever MP has been hit by feels like it was sent from someone who hasn't had a lot of experience with that sort of role and doesn't quite know what to do with it.

linki - so you are saying that the riddles is a thing HE has to do as part of his role then, not something he targets someone else with?
That doesn't make sense to me. Why would the hosts make him out himself so hard if he were the Riddler? Are you seeing it something like Mr. Popularity - where the more attention he gets, the more powerful he becomes?

linki again - IDK if it was lear for sure. I guessed. I didn't want to cheat and google it.

If not the Penguin forcing a vote, what other role is it? MP says he hasn't found the antidote to the poison, and he can't be targeted twice in a row, so we know it isn't Poison Ivy. I would hardly classify being forced to vote one person as an extension of Joker's "insanify".

As for why Matt is posting in Riddles: I think it has to have something to do with his win condition. The Riddler intrinsically wants the cops to figure it out, but only after they suffer through the strenuous process of solving his riddles.

It was indeed Lear; you know your Shakespeare!

[Scotty]

Lastly, before I go to bed: how long do we give Equivocate before we vote for him? I don't necessarily wish to do that right now, because the mafia are still killing. I think we have some data that can pick apart (which is why I wanted to vote a no-show in day 1, before you cite me for hypocrisy again, Dom)
But tomorrow will mark a week since he has logged in.

[MacDougall]

Lastly, before I go to bed: how long do we give Equivocate before we vote for him? I don't necessarily wish to do that right now, because the mafia are still killing. I think we have some data that can pick apart (which is why I wanted to vote a no-show in day 1, before you cite me for hypocrisy again, Dom)
But tomorrow will mark a week since he has logged in.

Why Equivocate and not Bass, or even worse Floyd.

[bea]

Now that I am caught up - here is my main issue with typh = penguin = the reason MP has a number 1 favorite vote evah.

The blackmail aspect of the role feels like a cursing role. I would think that typh has played enough games with skilled people at cursing roles to write stipulations into the curse to make what MP is doing null the curse. He was around for all of the Hunger's various forms if I remember correctly at the *very* least. What ever MP has been hit by feels like it was sent from someone who hasn't had a lot of experience with that sort of role and doesn't quite know what to do with it.

linki - so you are saying that the riddles is a thing HE has to do as part of his role then, not something he targets someone else with?
That doesn't make sense to me. Why would the hosts make him out himself so hard if he were the Riddler? Are you seeing it something like Mr. Popularity - where the more attention he gets, the more powerful he becomes?

linki again - IDK if it was lear for sure. I guessed. I didn't want to cheat and google it.

If not the Penguin forcing a vote, what other role is it? MP says he hasn't found the antidote to the poison, and he can't be targeted twice in a row, so we know it isn't Poison Ivy. I would hardly classify being forced to vote one person as an extension of Joker's "insanify".

As for why Matt is posting in Riddles: I think it has to have something to do with his win condition. The Riddler intrinsically wants the cops to figure it out, but only after they suffer through the strenuous process of solving his riddles.

It was indeed Lear; you know your Shakespeare!

dunno if not penguin who? my issue was more the linear line of thought that was laid out. Or to be more clear - I don't think typh did this to MP because I think he would have accounted for "making it obvious" in his cursing. The sort of "you have to post x is your number 1 suspect" in every post feels like it came from someone who's not played many games with cursing roles.

And yay! Those 5 Shakespeare classes I took in college are finally paying off for me! (I was an English teacher in another life.)

[MacDougall]

Yeah but like, MP making it obvious doesn't have to be part of the curse. If the curse was "you have to vote for sig" then MP making it obvious could be just MP telling us so.

But the fact that he has mentioned it in every single post, says otherwise.

[bea]

lol I can't tell if you agree with me or not mac.

[Scotty]

Lastly, before I go to bed: how long do we give Equivocate before we vote for him? I don't necessarily wish to do that right now, because the mafia are still killing. I think we have some data that can pick apart (which is why I wanted to vote a no-show in day 1, before you cite me for hypocrisy again, Dom)
But tomorrow will mark a week since he has logged in.

Why Equivocate and not Bass, or even worse Floyd.

Well, Equiv has posted the least and has actually not logged in in a week.
Floyd was here yesterday. (That actually is quite troubling...)
Bass's activity is hidden, so I'm not sure what his deal is.

linki: bea, I and someone else laid out that if, in fact, we assume Penguin blackmailed MP, then the only legit option to be seen is Typh. Unless SVS was blackmailed to do something subtle like cough. OR he chose not to blackmail,,,but that's like winning $20 off a scratch-off and deciding to use it as kindle in a fire instead.

[bea]

Lastly, before I go to bed: how long do we give Equivocate before we vote for him? I don't necessarily wish to do that right now, because the mafia are still killing. I think we have some data that can pick apart (which is why I wanted to vote a no-show in day 1, before you cite me for hypocrisy again, Dom)
But tomorrow will mark a week since he has logged in.

Why Equivocate and not Bass, or even worse Floyd.

Well, Equiv has posted the least and has actually not logged in in a week.
Floyd was here yesterday. (That actually is quite troubling...)
Bass's activity is hidden, so I'm not sure what his deal is.

linki: bea, I and someone else laid out that if, in fact, we assume Penguin blackmailed MP, then the only legit option to be seen is Typh. Unless SVS was blackmailed to do something subtle like cough. OR he chose not to blackmail,,,but that's like winning $20 off a scratch-off and deciding to use it as kindle in a fire instead.

fair enough I suppose. I was just looking to see if there was anything that could poke holes in the theory and that was what stood out to me. You know - no stone unturned and all that....

[Scotty]

Lastly, before I go to bed: how long do we give Equivocate before we vote for him? I don't necessarily wish to do that right now, because the mafia are still killing. I think we have some data that can pick apart (which is why I wanted to vote a no-show in day 1, before you cite me for hypocrisy again, Dom)
But tomorrow will mark a week since he has logged in.

Why Equivocate and not Bass, or even worse Floyd.

Well, Equiv has posted the least and has actually not logged in in a week.
Floyd was here yesterday. (That actually is quite troubling...)
Bass's activity is hidden, so I'm not sure what his deal is.

linki: bea, I and someone else laid out that if, in fact, we assume Penguin blackmailed MP, then the only legit option to be seen is Typh. Unless SVS was blackmailed to do something subtle like cough. OR he chose not to blackmail,,,but that's like winning $20 off a scratch-off and deciding to use it as kindle in a fire instead.

fair enough I suppose. I was just looking to see if there was anything that could poke holes in the theory and that was what stood out to me. You know - no stone unturned and all that....

totes mcgoats. There's a lot of unknowns in some of these roles, and I don't like unknowns. I like knowns. You know?

[bea]

yup. I know.

[MacDougall]

Lastly, before I go to bed: how long do we give Equivocate before we vote for him? I don't necessarily wish to do that right now, because the mafia are still killing. I think we have some data that can pick apart (which is why I wanted to vote a no-show in day 1, before you cite me for hypocrisy again, Dom)
But tomorrow will mark a week since he has logged in.

Why Equivocate and not Bass, or even worse Floyd.

Well, Equiv has posted the least and has actually not logged in in a week.
Floyd was here yesterday. (That actually is quite troubling...)
Bass's activity is hidden, so I'm not sure what his deal is.

linki: bea, I and someone else laid out that if, in fact, we assume Penguin blackmailed MP, then the only legit option to be seen is Typh. Unless SVS was blackmailed to do something subtle like cough. OR he chose not to blackmail,,,but that's like winning $20 off a scratch-off and deciding to use it as kindle in a fire instead.

Floyd is the better lynch then if you're going after lurkers. I am quite sure Floyd hasn't posted since DAY FUCKING ZERO and has been here.

[S~V~S]

I had work related lastnight, and I am just seeing the last post. I just did not get hime till late last night and could not get online yesterday as corporate was in the house at work.

Right as I was logging off, Typh asked me to clarify something; in that post, primarily I was talking about suspecting DH of bussing,primarily, although there were a few other names flying aroud that made no sense to me, re the whole bussing business. Doesn't anyone just vote for who they suspect anymore, why is always "bussing". So I have not read anything else since, so if I have anything else to address, I will do so over the course of the day.

And Good Luck at the new job Typh!

[S~V~S]

To clarify, I did not understand the suspicion of DH re the Nero vote during the discussion going on about that lynch. That ^^ could have been read ewither way.

[juliets]

As I start the day today I'm considering three people for a vote tonight.

I believe DH's theory that Typh is the penguin though what bea said about him being more restrictive with a curse does cause me pause because Typh is indeed that experienced. I really would like to hear what he has to say about it though and since he's working now I hope he comes on when he gets home.

The BR case comparing her from one game to another also appeals to me. Again though, I'd like to hear what BR has to say about herself. I did reread her yesterday and I don't have anything I can add to the case.

I'm still dithering over the Mac case. It's hard because I read him so hard as civ and to consider a vote for him I have to bring my mind around to see him as bad. I also thought he did a good job defending himself. If he is bad it sounds like he's mafia where as Typh looks like an independent and I don't know about BR. My point is he could be the worst of the three if all three are "bad".

I don't get the remarks being made about Matt. To me it looks so clear that he was cursed by a different person last night than the one who cursed him the night before. I know Matt can be a little crazy but I find it difficult to believe he chose to post in lines from Shakespeare. So in short, i don't understand why there is suspicion on him.

[Dom]

"Hey guys, what if there's a role that has to only post in "riddles" like knock knock jokes and quoting shakespeare and we called it The Riddler. LOL woudln't that player just have teh best time!?"

[juliets]

"Hey guys, what if there's a role that has to only post in "riddles" like knock knock jokes and quoting shakespeare and we called it The Riddler. LOL woudln't that player just have teh best time!?"

But wouldn't that out the person almost immediately?

[Bullzeye]

"Hey guys, what if there's a role that has to only post in "riddles" like knock knock jokes and quoting shakespeare and we called it The Riddler. LOL woudln't that player just have teh best time!?"

Probably just as great as a role that gives a posting curse to anyone who targets it, thereby outing the role and revealing that the other person has a targeting ability!

[juliets]

Enrique, I'd still like to hear your case on sig in time for him to respond before the vote. Also, you said last night you had a conspiracy theory?

[Dom]

"Hey guys, what if there's a role that has to only post in "riddles" like knock knock jokes and quoting shakespeare and we called it The Riddler. LOL woudln't that player just have teh best time!?"

Probably just as great as a role that gives a posting curse to anyone who targets it, thereby outing the role and revealing that the other person has a targeting ability!

Unless there's multiple sources of the curses

[Bullzeye]

"Hey guys, what if there's a role that has to only post in "riddles" like knock knock jokes and quoting shakespeare and we called it The Riddler. LOL woudln't that player just have teh best time!?"

Probably just as great as a role that gives a posting curse to anyone who targets it, thereby outing the role and revealing that the other person has a targeting ability!

Unless there's multiple sources of the curses

I think there probably are. I think Matt has been the victim of two separate people. Perhaps he genuinely did target the Joker as well on night one and has an incentive to not say so. Pure speculation though. I was more highlighting the contradiction of Mac completely dismissing the Joker theory but going all in with this Riddler theory as if they don't both have the exact same flaws.

[juliets]

Bullz and Dom, who are you looking at for a vote today?

[Bullzeye]

Bullz and Dom, who are you looking at for a vote today?

A bunch of people really. I've already said I like some of the case against Mac and I particularly don't like how he was so quick to dismiss the theories about the Joker and has now come up with one about the Riddler which is basically the same exact thing yet somehow not flawed.

I want to develop an opinion on MP because I find it weird he seems so invested despite claiming to have no time for the game and has apparently stopped caring about living. He's got a funny way of showing that IMO, if I didn't care I just wouldn't bother. I dunno about him.

Enrique has said some things I've found strange but I can't reconcile him being bad and him doing what he did the other day to save Matt. They just don't add up to me. He does come off very over-dramatic with some of the Matt/TH stuff as well.

Scotty, despite the amount of 'target painting' that went on earlier in the game has said some things that make me wonder if people were wrong to assume he's a likely civ.

Other than that it's like where even are half the players. There are a lot of people I don't think anything at all about and looking at the poll I see names I don't remember content from. So I want to revisit some people but may not prioritise that yet.

[sprityo]

Okay so the whole thing on "typh is more experienced and wouldn't do such a not good blackmail." If it's not him then who would it be?

[juliets]

Okay so the whole thing on "typh is more experienced and wouldn't do such a not good blackmail." If it's not him then who would it be?

I don't have an answer to this which is why i think it probably is Typh. The experience thing gives me pause but in the end i can't see another answer besides Typh is Penguin. I do still want to see his defense though. i like all sides of the story I can get.

[juliets]

EBWOP: sprityo is Typh your leading candidate for a vote?

[Bullzeye]

Someone point me to the Typh = Penguin argument? I must have missed that.

[juliets]

Bullz i think it was DH's theory. I'll look for it.

[juliets]

First there is this comment by TH:

perhaps someone who is suspecting of sig (that isnt MP of course)

but that could be almost anyone, right?

If this is the Penguin's doing then it's one of these three amigos

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DharmaHelper (13), Dom (15), Typhoony (22) 9%

Then there is this comment by DH:

I voted for SVS Day 1, Dom voted for Scotty. IIRC, neither of them seem to have exhibited Penguinifications.

Typhoony voted for Wilgy, who died before any such blackmailery could take place.

That is pretty much the case Bullz.

[Bullzeye]

Thanks JC! I'd been searching 'Typh' in the search bar and only finding references to the discussion, not the original theory. For some reason searching Typh's full name never occurred to me. It does look pretty convincing. The only question I have is, how much does it matter? The Penguin wins by surviving and doesn't seem so great a threat that we'd desperately want him out just yet IMO.

[juliets]

Thanks JC! I'd been searching 'Typh' in the search bar and only finding references to the discussion, not the original theory. For some reason searching Typh's full name never occurred to me. It does look pretty convincing. The only question I have is, how much does it matter? The Penguin wins by surviving and doesn't seem so great a threat that we'd desperately want him out just yet IMO.

Yes, I had that same thought. That's one of the reasons I said if Mac is bad, Neros partner, then he's mafia and that would definitely be worse in my mind than Typh being the penguin.

[Scotty]

Scotty, despite the amount of 'target painting' that went on earlier in the game has said some things that make me wonder if people were wrong to assume he's a likely civ.

Go on...