The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:21 pm if you agree it means you're elite

if you don't it means you are poop tier

get on my level

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:25 pm MacDougall please put the crack pipe down and come back to us

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:23 pm today we are going to make the heroic decision to stop letting the Mafia dictate terms and chop their head off instead and it will go down in Syndicate lore as the greatest moment in the history of this fine community.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:26 pm Also is TSP Tim?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:40 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:38 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:33 pm @lost monkey tell us some stuff u observed. your reads. etc etc

I have scottie, you, kza, mac and now Bo as town.

wait you have me as town? I figured u would buy into what jack is trying to feed the players this day phase.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:25 pm Scotty is gonna surprise everyone and sheep me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:23 pm today we are going to make the heroic decision to stop letting the Mafia dictate terms and chop their head off instead and it will go down in Syndicate lore as the greatest moment in the history of this fine community.

I disagree with chopping Tim right now.

I do agree that he could be scum if it’s one of us 3. But I don’t think he’s the gamble right now. We need a boneafide wolf flip lynch today.

What’s wrong now with marmot and/or mog?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:25 pm Scotty is gonna surprise everyone and sheep me.

Put that hypno spiral down man, it’s indecent

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:26 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:40 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:38 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:33 pm @lost monkey tell us some stuff u observed. your reads. etc etc

I have scottie, you, kza, mac and now Bo as town.

wait you have me as town? I figured u would buy into what jack is trying to feed the players this day phase.

No I don't buy that you are scum. If town read someone D1 and i somewhat stick with it till now I am continuing with it. Its a waste of time to self doubt on my already limited leads. Marmot i have not seen as scum before but i dont mind lynching him over you if it comes to that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:28 pm Also Mac, when we followed your lead to sheep onto Flanders yesterday, it also seemingly came out of the blue.

Why are you not pursuant of that lead again?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:23 pm today we are going to make the heroic decision to stop letting the Mafia dictate terms and chop their head off instead and it will go down in Syndicate lore as the greatest moment in the history of this fine community.

I disagree with chopping Tim right now.

I do agree that he could be scum if it’s one of us 3. But I don’t think he’s the gamble right now. We need a boneafide wolf flip lynch today.

What’s wrong now with marmot and/or mog?

I don't feel like the wagons that have been static for most of the day in this gamestate are likely to be our best flips. Even if it turns out to be a wolf flip by now the wolves will have it set up to get max cred from it. I feel compelled to 180 the day.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.

So you are okay with scum getting the artifact, why?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:23 pm today we are going to make the heroic decision to stop letting the Mafia dictate terms and chop their head off instead and it will go down in Syndicate lore as the greatest moment in the history of this fine community.

I disagree with chopping Tim right now.

I do agree that he could be scum if it’s one of us 3. But I don’t think he’s the gamble right now. We need a boneafide wolf flip lynch today.

What’s wrong now with marmot and/or mog?

I don't feel like the wagons that have been static for most of the day in this gamestate are likely to be our best flips. Even if it turns out to be a wolf flip by now the wolves will have it set up to get max cred from it. I feel compelled to 180 the day.

But we can see the progressions of sheeping or ignoring that flip. That’s the cool thing about forum mafia.

Just because they’ve been static and not too much has happened is WIFOM.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:43 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:31 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:31 pm I think this is where my head was at when I left. Bo, KZA, and Made are all basically confirmed town. Tim and Scotty are probably town but not confirmed. Gavial, Daisy, Kyle, and falcon are all townleans.

Any objections with this list?

I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?

My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?

You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?

The most recent occurrence I saw was his needling of me here.

I also came across this post, which at first looked fine, but now I'm questioning the legitimacy of the Flanders read. He used the word angleshoot, but that feels a little lazy, along with the suspicion of Mac. Also, he locked in a townread on Mog here based on the Flanders read.

@falcon45ca do you believe in the Flanders read that much that you're ignoring Mog's content?

Is it possible that SSF was scum, and so is Mog? Of course, I don't have a green check on them.



But I've nailed SSF as scum many times (& he's nailed me), we have what I'd say is excellent meta on each other. Flander's was town, I'd bet your life on it.

Tony Soprano over here

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:49 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.

Are town usually afraid to discuss their scum reads?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm Oh ffs

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:34 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.

Have you caught up on the setup? Are you genuinely unconcerned by "holding additional artifacts will unlock additional secret powers for the wolves, above and beyond the basic powers of the artifact itself"?

Presumably the wolves know what those secret additional powers are, and yeah if I get a sense that someone has an unhealthy investment in fighting for those powers that indicates they know what they are fighting for I'm intending to kill them.

I’m not concerned to the point where we start voting off townreads over it.

If I was a wolf, I would loooove the idea of the town giving my team a free pass during the day and our choice of nightkill in exchange for fuck all. Wolves win by getting X misyeets. You’re proposing we give the wolves one on a silver platter because of mechanics that we don’t even know what they are.

That’s a bad strategy bordering on openwolfing. Every time I see several players make an argument to yeet someone even if they are town, at least half those players end up being wolves.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm Oh ffs

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.

So you are okay with scum getting the artifact, why?

So you are okay with lynching town, why?

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:43 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:31 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:45 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:36 pm

I don't really know the Bo reasoning for being town although Scotty alluded to it earlier.

I agree with your townleans with the exception of Falcon - why do you think that he's town?

My memory of falcon is that he's brazen and unabashedly all over the place, which I'm accustomed to seeing from him, and to me, it means that he isn't concerned with other players' view of him.

What's your take on him?

You're right that he's brazen and unfocused. I don't like that he doesn't seem attached to much of anything at all - he's willing to take potshots but he doesn't really have firmly held beliefs which means he's giving off more trying to survive vibes then trying to figure things out vibes.

What's a push of his that you liked in particular? Can you quote something for me?

The most recent occurrence I saw was his needling of me here.

I also came across this post, which at first looked fine, but now I'm questioning the legitimacy of the Flanders read. He used the word angleshoot, but that feels a little lazy, along with the suspicion of Mac. Also, he locked in a townread on Mog here based on the Flanders read.

@falcon45ca do you believe in the Flanders read that much that you're ignoring Mog's content?

Is it possible that SSF was scum, and so is Mog? Of course, I don't have a green check on them.



But I've nailed SSF as scum many times (& he's nailed me), we have what I'd say is excellent meta on each other. Flander's was town, I'd bet your life on it.

Tony Soprano over here

Falcon, would you at least give Mog a read? But yes I do get why you'd insist on another player being a particular alignment for reasons (it's the only reason I survived Congress of Vienna was because of a persistent townshield).

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm Oh ffs

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

????????

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:33 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:46 pm Marmot. Please. For the love of god. Talk about your scum suspects.

I'm already pretty deep in this whole defending you from death thing - please don't let me get egg on my face the second I pop into thread.

Lemma read ISOs and get back to you. My suspect list is very short right now, consisting of Mog and Mac.

Yes it does appear to be another M scum team.

No I'm not on it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:34 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm Oh ffs

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

????????

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

Didn't realize you felt so strongly about Tim

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:47 pm @Marmot
Cross vote Mog

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:34 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

I agree that the wagons of today aren't great.

I disagree that the best solution to this is to axe someone at random. This is currently just a big distraction, which pushes us closer to the end of day which means that scum can continue to CFD onto yet another townie because you don't really need reasoning when there's an hour left before a lynch.

This is not the way.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:25 pm I predict Marmot will be poop tier and TSP will prove himself to be elite.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:34 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm Oh ffs

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

????????

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

Didn't realize you felt so strongly about Tim

I don't feel that strongly about Tim. I do feel strongly about lolwagons, which is what this is.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:47 pm I mean I don’t want to axe a town by any means, but Tim and others do have a point. Hell, Bo has a point. Though he dug his own grave here, instead of waiting for KZA and others to come in. His timing of claiming was...less than ideal.

And jack blasting Tim for making this point could be construed as town- hell, he’s making cases- but I think it’s slick town appealing. I’m perhaps tunneling now, but still.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:25 pm I predict Marmot will be poop tier and TSP will prove himself to be elite.

I did have a multi-tiered poop this morning, this is correct.

Why do you suspect me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:35 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:34 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

I agree that the wagons of today aren't great.

I disagree that the best solution to this is to axe someone at random. This is currently just a big distraction, which pushes us closer to the end of day which means that scum can continue to CFD onto yet another townie because you don't really need reasoning when there's an hour left before a lynch.

This is not the way.

It's not random. I have determined there is min 1 wolf between Scotty and Tim and Scotty has had a decidedly better d3 than Tim (and is now voting him).

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:35 pm And I am splendidly tilted when my top townread decides to follow Mac down a useless garden path because that usually means more will follow.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:59 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:57 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:55 pm Going through with the reads made by a randomizer isn't very smart either

you should see his normal reads

I've seen them. Part of me think Gavial is scum because he isn't saying things like
"There's always at least one scum in TSP/BoKnows/Marmot" all the time.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:35 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:34 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pmScotty why

I agree that the wagons of today aren't great.

I disagree that the best solution to this is to axe someone at random. This is currently just a big distraction, which pushes us closer to the end of day which means that scum can continue to CFD onto yet another townie because you don't really need reasoning when there's an hour left before a lynch.

This is not the way.

It's not random. I have determined there is min 1 wolf between Scotty and Tim and Scotty has had a decidedly better d3 than Tim (and is now voting him).

Tim stated very early on he would be around very little today, nor would he likely be around at EOD.