Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:40 amI'm townreading a lot more than just you lololMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:46 am ilario why is nanook a better slanker chop than tsp?
ironically theyre both townreading me and literally nobody else
Alexa, ender, esooa
Yeah but he’s very performative in that quote I’m referring to, I haven’t really noticed that from him this game
Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.
maybe i'm not giving him enough credit but i don't think scum!LC can post like this? it's like... really natural sounding and not stiltedLime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:57 am I had a call for a dentist appointment during that. I reached to page 22.
I know you would know how bad my scum range is. But still...Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:54 amYou think LC has an amazing scum range?Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:27 ammeMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:23 amsuch as?
ilario
alexa
lime coke
esooa
alison
probably u
as for the rest of the players i don't know what they are or aren't capable of
I'm actually townreading for Mac for that post, I'm including the Esooa reply because it's funny and true.Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:56 amMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:55 am if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team
if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing
if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario
if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf
if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing
I wouldn't see a mafia player making THAT many preflip partner/non partner links. If the man is actually mafia making a post like that, he's a psychopath.
God...dammit
I make a plan pregame to keep people with good scumranges at null until they do something, then Day 1 townread them anyways because fuck it, why not?Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:52 amPeople always have paranoia about town reading players who are good wolvesalexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:50 amyou townread Alison for making one or two posts that were easily within her wolfrange
i townread her after engaging with her about her read on ilario
she is still probably in her wolf range mind you ive heard from multiple people that she shouldn't be townread until she actually buries wolves but after wolfing with her i feel like she's not as hard to read as people say.
I personally say fuck it and hard town read them for dumb tells
Speaking of, I still townread Esooa.
Wait, people actually listen to dead town reads on this site? Holy fuck, my size 7 font legacy reads might be taken seriously then.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:22 am here's the rub
my d1 reads are like whatever. They mean fuck all. They maybe like better than rand (the legit first post reads) but mostly they are just content for the content gods.
If my reads are good I survive most of the time because wolves that know me are afraid of town sheeping my legacy.
So when i die n1 you should never sheep my legacy aside from my wtf one post early game reads but only a little.
Basically this.
ALEXA TOWN
tho.
The self awareness is strong as fuck.alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:28 amlike my towngame but i remove the things people tend to scumread me for as town, so i remove:
-LAMIST posts
-emotional breakdowns
-townreading people off nothing
and i don't buss w/out reason
stuff like that, bit of self-meta. you probably can't apply it here as much though because i've played enough games with people at this table that i'd try to do things specifically to trick them if i was wolfing
here's my best wolf game: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bing-Mafia
he doesn't know me like that
Do you think it would have benefitted wolf-TSP's wincon more to vote on a realistic wagon like Mac?
Honestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:30 am @ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread
I don’t think he was actually pushing u there thoughalexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:56 amhe doesn't know me like that
if you're suggesting people wouldn't push me as scum that's not true
I think at that point in time almost anybody could have voted mac without getting much scrutiny tbh. And tsp has shown he doesn’t really care about scrutiny given his vote was parked on me all of d1.Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:57 amDo you think it would have benefitted wolf-TSP's wincon more to vote on a realistic wagon like Mac?
I think if he did then this vote would have been under a lot more scrutiny, especially if whoever he votes flipped town.
I feel like he's actually doing that here more than normal, Esooa asideilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:58 amHonestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:30 am @ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread
It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.
Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).
If you drop a bad read on me I will tell you in detail why it's bad.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:01 pmI feel like he's actually doing that here more than normal, Esooa asideilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:58 amHonestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:30 am @ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread
It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.
Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).
I've also seen him accuse people as town though and even suggest policy yeets on people FOSing him so it may be NAI? i had to talk him out of his FOS on wiz in deck maf because he was being OMGUSy
did you ever respond to esooa's case on you?Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:06 pmIf you drop a bad read on me I will tell you in detail why it's bad.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:01 pmI feel like he's actually doing that here more than normal, Esooa asideilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:58 amHonestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:30 am @ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread
It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.
Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).
I've also seen him accuse people as town though and even suggest policy yeets on people FOSing him so it may be NAI? i had to talk him out of his FOS on wiz in deck maf because he was being OMGUSy
I pretty much never OMGUS on reads unless I think they're actually wolf motivated though.
lol yeah i guess that was pretty badWiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:10 pm alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).
So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.
Not directly but I think I addressed most of the reasons with Esooa while I was catching up.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:10 pmdid you ever respond to esooa's case on you?Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:06 pmIf you drop a bad read on me I will tell you in detail why it's bad.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:01 pmI feel like he's actually doing that here more than normal, Esooa asideilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:58 amHonestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:30 am @ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread
It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.
Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).
I've also seen him accuse people as town though and even suggest policy yeets on people FOSing him so it may be NAI? i had to talk him out of his FOS on wiz in deck maf because he was being OMGUSy
I pretty much never OMGUS on reads unless I think they're actually wolf motivated though.
There are 7 towns alive.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:11 pmlol yeah i guess that was pretty badWiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:10 pm alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).
So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.
i'm just not used to you getting this type of attention
i would consider you a slot i'd pencil in as "never going down if town" ngl so i'm not sure where you're getting there specifically on me/ilario/esooa. i get the logic to a degree but unless the team is exactly TSP/Nanook I feel like both of them are easier to push as a misyeet this phaseWiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:16 pmThere are 7 towns alive.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:11 pmlol yeah i guess that was pretty badWiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:10 pm alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).
So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.
i'm just not used to you getting this type of attention
Wolves need 3 miselims to win.
I don't think any of you, illario, Esooa will go over this game if town.
You can probably work out the maths from there but in the case that you're t/t/t that means that every other townsperson alive besides one will need to be miselimned this game for the wolves to win.
I seriously doubt I'm going to go over this phase and if I do I bet it'll be because somebody decided that the timing of my explanation of my scumread on Mac was opportunistic (you know, the explanation that I was explicitly asked to give) or similar levels of lolwillage.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:21 pmi would consider you a slot i'd pencil in as "never going down if town" ngl so i'm not sure where you're getting there specifically on me/ilario/esooa. i get the logic to a degree but unless the team is exactly TSP/Nanook I feel like both of them are easier to push as a misyeet this phaseWiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:16 pmThere are 7 towns alive.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:11 pmlol yeah i guess that was pretty badWiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:10 pm alexa, you literally made the argument that the scumreads of me were so bad that you considered me possibly threadspewed wolf (which was bad in of itself but I won't go there).
So yeah maybe take a guess why I've had to shut down so many bad reads on me this game.
i'm just not used to you getting this type of attention
Wolves need 3 miselims to win.
I don't think any of you, illario, Esooa will go over this game if town.
You can probably work out the maths from there but in the case that you're t/t/t that means that every other townsperson alive besides one will need to be miselimned this game for the wolves to win.
obviously a "re-consider at lylo" blahblah but Ender's not going to go out of his way to case and buss LC here if they're w/w.
Would you mind expanding on this?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:52 pmLC/Alexa doesn’t work I think because of how Alexa handled transcend on day 1
The thing that made me ask the question is because if Ender is PoEed (and LC wasn't but I don't think he could win solo as a wolf here tbh) then I could see Ender doing it to distance... in theory.
Ender has not been immediate POE. There'd be no reason for him to push on his partner imo when there's other easier options. You can say to ride the towncred to a win but there's enough being clearing each other that's just a very unlikely approach.Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:00 pmThe thing that made me ask the question is because if Ender is PoEed (and LC wasn't but I don't think he could win solo as a wolf here tbh) then I could see Ender doing it to distance... in theory.
But I think that's in tinfoil land mostly because of the excessive amount of time Ender seems to have put into it that's not directly contributing to distancing if you get what I mean?
Tbh I don’t think the fact that Ender pushed LC is inherently not partnered, I think it's the way that Ender went about pushing it that makes it that way.alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:02 pmEnder has not been immediate POE. There'd be no reason for him to push on his partner imo when there's other easier options. You can say to ride the towncred to a win but there's enough being clearing each other that's just a very unlikely approach.Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:00 pmThe thing that made me ask the question is because if Ender is PoEed (and LC wasn't but I don't think he could win solo as a wolf here tbh) then I could see Ender doing it to distance... in theory.
But I think that's in tinfoil land mostly because of the excessive amount of time Ender seems to have put into it that's not directly contributing to distancing if you get what I mean?
i don't think i read this beforeEsooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:29 am Alexa you're basically being surprised about an early SPF or shady night kill cause they're wrong on their day 1 read
that's just like, not that important when factoring in the night 1 kill
doesn't matter if these players are wrong day 1. They will make your wolf game harder
also trying to NKA with one night kill and no scum flips isn't very easy, there's too many directions to take it
the best approach here is to say "Alison is good so I want to sheep her confirmed town reads"
but not any NKA imo
at least only in decent moderation
