The Syndicate

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:16 pm Also I lost a quote from Achro talking about how ow was townreading Hk and we should follow that legacy or something and I hate it. But I hate more the fact that it is probably right so going to try to think of a V!hk world too wowee. Thats why Im kinda going with Esooa first weh

also one thing I was thinking about re:Achro posting that Santy is posting to please everyone, is that EVERY time Santy talks to me he acts like he's down playing his scum read of me or not that strong on it and such, but since like mid day 1 he's literally never had me as scum and I don't rly see a towny doing that especially with the constant doubts Santy expresses like "oh it's just a lean" or such things

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:57 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:44 pm Should we just have like a reset on the vibes in the game.

What can we do to fix the vibes in the game?

Not even joking but like locking me town so I can just Mac the place up properly would certainly work for me lol.

Okay. Mac lock town.

I'm not pushing Lily. I just want HK to flip.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:57 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:44 pm Should we just have like a reset on the vibes in the game.

What can we do to fix the vibes in the game?

Not even joking but like locking me town so I can just Mac the place up properly would certainly work for me lol.

Okay. Mac lock town.

Okay. Step 2. Flip HK.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:21 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:18 pm Mac not seeing sabi obvtowning is pinging me too. So I could prob see them as wolf tbfh.

I think you're all just looking at sabi as a polarised player and assuming sabi can't make this many posts as mafia.

Outside of sbpc what makes sabi town exactly?

sbpc how about that

@santygrass we flippen HKs out here.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:21 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:18 pm Mac not seeing sabi obvtowning is pinging me too. So I could prob see them as wolf tbfh.

I think you're all just looking at sabi as a polarised player and assuming sabi can't make this many posts as mafia.

Outside of sbpc what makes sabi town exactly?

sbpc how about that

Sure whatever.

even disreagrding sbpc stuff one thing I've noticed from Sabi is they're constantly asking for followup and doing more than they ever really need to (which obviously contributes to sbpc) and that's a lot for anyone as a wolf, especially not sabi though lmao no offense

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:55 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:47 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:46 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:37 pm There are almost 4300 posts in this thread (and like half of them are people complaining they aren't being heard and/or talking past each other) of course nobody has a strong will to play any more lol

I don't necessarily disagree but it makes it impossible to do anything which makes me not want to be in thread lol

And that's different from how someone like esooa or I feel how? You can't complain about people not wanting to be in thread and then also not want to be in thread lol

Lol. I think you misunderstand my intent

Is it something besides "I can't play with my clique the way I want to so im gonna pout about it" or

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:55 pm don't think they meant to disparage anyone with what they were saying and it's understandable, but also I think we already have like 7-800 posts today so it seems people are wanting to play fine despite what's been said lol

Yeah I wasn't trying to be a dick just honest. I don't disagree or think the reasons for not wanting to play are bad I just am saying I can't solve this game because of it and I also am struggling to stay in the thread and play.

I'm excessively honest with my feelings I dunno.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:00 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:57 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:44 pm Should we just have like a reset on the vibes in the game.

What can we do to fix the vibes in the game?

Not even joking but like locking me town so I can just Mac the place up properly would certainly work for me lol.

Okay. Mac lock town.

Okay. Step 2. Flip HK.

I think I'm on HK still so okay lol

Seems to me the biggest issue in this game is that people are placing too much stock in their own reading of the game and not enough town are just mindlessly sheeping their top kek. Literally.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:01 pm even disreagrding sbpc stuff one thing I've noticed from Sabi is they're constantly asking for followup and doing more than they ever really need to (which obviously contributes to sbpc) and that's a lot for anyone as a wolf, especially not sabi though lmao no offense

This is similar to how I feel about Sabi.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:01 pm even disreagrding sbpc stuff one thing I've noticed from Sabi is they're constantly asking for followup and doing more than they ever really need to (which obviously contributes to sbpc) and that's a lot for anyone as a wolf, especially not sabi though lmao no offense

This is similar to how I feel about Sabi.

I dunno what sbpc is though

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:01 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:55 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:47 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:46 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:37 pm There are almost 4300 posts in this thread (and like half of them are people complaining they aren't being heard and/or talking past each other) of course nobody has a strong will to play any more lol

I don't necessarily disagree but it makes it impossible to do anything which makes me not want to be in thread lol

And that's different from how someone like esooa or I feel how? You can't complain about people not wanting to be in thread and then also not want to be in thread lol

Lol. I think you misunderstand my intent

Is it something besides "I can't play with my clique the way I want to so im gonna pout about it" or

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:55 pm don't think they meant to disparage anyone with what they were saying and it's understandable, but also I think we already have like 7-800 posts today so it seems people are wanting to play fine despite what's been said lol

Yeah I wasn't trying to be a dick just honest. I don't disagree or think the reasons for not wanting to play are bad I just am saying I can't solve this game because of it and I also am struggling to stay in the thread and play.

I'm excessively honest with my feelings I dunno.

im trying my hardest to play and not show my frustration with the toxicity of this game and im sorry if i'm not doing well enough to hide it personally, dont want to contribute to people not having fun

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:02 pm Seems to me the biggest issue in this game is that people are placing too much stock in their own reading of the game and not enough town are just mindlessly sheeping their top kek. Literally.

I only sheep

Bahhhhh

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:03 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:01 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:55 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:47 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:46 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:37 pm There are almost 4300 posts in this thread (and like half of them are people complaining they aren't being heard and/or talking past each other) of course nobody has a strong will to play any more lol

I don't necessarily disagree but it makes it impossible to do anything which makes me not want to be in thread lol

And that's different from how someone like esooa or I feel how? You can't complain about people not wanting to be in thread and then also not want to be in thread lol

Lol. I think you misunderstand my intent

Is it something besides "I can't play with my clique the way I want to so im gonna pout about it" or

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:55 pm don't think they meant to disparage anyone with what they were saying and it's understandable, but also I think we already have like 7-800 posts today so it seems people are wanting to play fine despite what's been said lol

Yeah I wasn't trying to be a dick just honest. I don't disagree or think the reasons for not wanting to play are bad I just am saying I can't solve this game because of it and I also am struggling to stay in the thread and play.

I'm excessively honest with my feelings I dunno.

im trying my hardest to play and not show my frustration with the toxicity of this game and im sorry if i'm not doing well enough to hide it personally, dont want to contribute to people not having fun

Your fine everyone is fine I don't blame anyone I don't think anyone is being unreasonable I just don't know how to solve around it.

And I'm like... overly susceptible to emotions if that makes any sense

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:57 pm I think I'll prolly take a quick relook at their EoD. Cuz I def felt like they didnt care about the yeet. And they said smth about being busy/thinking it was later but... Bruh I was doing groceries out in the street and still pending on how the votes were going, cuz I had a scumread there and trying to analize how the wagons were and just people positioning there. While Esooa was fluffing mostly, and then procceeded to lash at me in a weird way when I called them out

bruh lol idk you should just die

it's really not that hard to understand why someone wouldn't want to play much of an EoD where HK was a thing and uh, sorry you are just built different I guess? But maybe even try? To not make up flaccid af reasons to wolf read people all game

The correct thing to do here is flip HK. Anyone who is not doing that is playing the game with too much ego or a wolf trying to prolong HKs survival to a later day so they can just miselim him on a worse day.

Which are you non HK voter?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:09 pm The correct thing to do here is flip HK. Anyone who is not doing that is playing the game with too much ego or a wolf trying to prolong HKs survival to a later day so they can just miselim him on a worse day.

Which are you non HK voter?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:09 pm The correct thing to do here is flip HK. Anyone who is not doing that is playing the game with too much ego or a wolf trying to prolong HKs survival to a later day so they can just miselim him on a worse day.

Which are you non HK voter?

get me on ur side then, i specifically have said either you or hk goes today and i am willing to see your side

Nobody is being toxic and the mood isn't even that bad. It's just unproductive.

Everyone knows HK needs to die.
Some people are town who think he probs flips town and don't understand or refuse to accept that it's just correct.
Those people are pushing onto players who aren't consensus suspects which is creating this talking past each other dialogue of which Nanook speaks.
I also get the impression that some of the posters who have the higher volume aren't actually reading posts at all and are just posting in sprees of live posting, picking out things to argue with or amplify and not thinking about things with an actual solving process. I've been guilty of that tbh.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:19 am I'm retiring from mafia soon. I have very waning wim. I'll try to do stuff but I've lost the spirit for it tbh.

This is my true strength. I can suck shit in a game, take a deep breath, and then love mafia a day later.

My WIM will never die, it is an ever-burning flame.

I blame my thyroid medication.

I respect that I wish I could play mafia like how you have this game lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 pm Nobody is being toxic and the mood isn't even that bad. It's just unproductive.

Everyone knows HK needs to die.
Some people are town who think he probs flips town and don't understand or refuse to accept that it's just correct.
Those people are pushing onto players who aren't consensus suspects which is creating this talking past each other dialogue of which Nanook speaks.
I also get the impression that some of the posters who have the higher volume aren't actually reading posts at all and are just posting in sprees of live posting, picking out things to argue with or amplify and not thinking about things with an actual solving process. I've been guilty of that tbh.

there's no toxicity rn yeah

fuck it ill vote hk

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 pm Nobody is being toxic and the mood isn't even that bad. It's just unproductive.

Everyone knows HK needs to die.
Some people are town who think he probs flips town and don't understand or refuse to accept that it's just correct.
Those people are pushing onto players who aren't consensus suspects which is creating this talking past each other dialogue of which Nanook speaks.
I also get the impression that some of the posters who have the higher volume aren't actually reading posts at all and are just posting in sprees of live posting, picking out things to argue with or amplify and not thinking about things with an actual solving process. I've been guilty of that tbh.

idr if you've said anything but do you not care about the Visor NK? Why does HK need to die?

@MacDougall what are ur current opinons of santy

Now I feel like I'm part of the issue for saying something.

I'm sorry.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:09 pm The correct thing to do here is flip HK. Anyone who is not doing that is playing the game with too much ego or a wolf trying to prolong HKs survival to a later day so they can just miselim him on a worse day.

Which are you non HK voter?

get me on ur side then, i specifically have said either you or hk goes today and i am willing to see your side

You don't need to be on my side. It is my view that if the gamestate is toxic just do the logical thing and solve the d1 wagons. It is easy, it avoids pushing into things that perpetuate that gamestate. Not even HK himself is objecting to it and frankly the fact that it's not occurring and the gamestate is emo and toxic ish is indicative of him being a hit with active partners shielding him.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm Now I feel like I'm part of the issue for saying something.

I'm sorry.

there's no issue, if I don't wanna post as much in thread it's not a problem it's me rather spending some of my time doing other things and you didn't make anyone feel worse about it except maybe nanook but that was for no reason tbh so you're fine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:09 pm The correct thing to do here is flip HK. Anyone who is not doing that is playing the game with too much ego or a wolf trying to prolong HKs survival to a later day so they can just miselim him on a worse day.

Which are you non HK voter?

get me on ur side then, i specifically have said either you or hk goes today and i am willing to see your side

You don't need to be on my side. It is my view that if the gamestate is toxic just do the logical thing and solve the d1 wagons. It is easy, it avoids pushing into things that perpetuate that gamestate. Not even HK himself is objecting to it and frankly the fact that it's not occurring and the gamestate is emo and toxic ish is indicative of him being a hit with active partners shielding him.

i dont need to but id like to see where you're coming from so ty

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 pm Nobody is being toxic and the mood isn't even that bad. It's just unproductive.

Everyone knows HK needs to die.
Some people are town who think he probs flips town and don't understand or refuse to accept that it's just correct.
Those people are pushing onto players who aren't consensus suspects which is creating this talking past each other dialogue of which Nanook speaks.
I also get the impression that some of the posters who have the higher volume aren't actually reading posts at all and are just posting in sprees of live posting, picking out things to argue with or amplify and not thinking about things with an actual solving process. I've been guilty of that tbh.

idr if you've said anything but do you not care about the Visor NK? Why does HK need to die?

See this is what I mean. You're absolutely guilty of playing without reading the content. I've said multiple times that the Visor kill says nothing about HKs alignment. HK goes into any night chat assuming he dies d2 and all n1 kills exist to benefit the other two mafia either by removing a threat or locking his reads in place. HK is not the person who would have dictated that decision.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:17 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 pm Nobody is being toxic and the mood isn't even that bad. It's just unproductive.

Everyone knows HK needs to die.
Some people are town who think he probs flips town and don't understand or refuse to accept that it's just correct.
Those people are pushing onto players who aren't consensus suspects which is creating this talking past each other dialogue of which Nanook speaks.
I also get the impression that some of the posters who have the higher volume aren't actually reading posts at all and are just posting in sprees of live posting, picking out things to argue with or amplify and not thinking about things with an actual solving process. I've been guilty of that tbh.

idr if you've said anything but do you not care about the Visor NK? Why does HK need to die?

See this is what I mean. You're absolutely guilty of playing without reading the content. I've said multiple times that the Visor kill says nothing about HKs alignment. HK goes into any night chat assuming he dies d2 and all n1 kills exist to benefit the other two mafia either by removing a threat or locking his reads in place. HK is not the person who would have dictated that decision.

lmao what I'm literally catching up

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:16 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm Now I feel like I'm part of the issue for saying something.

I'm sorry.

there's no issue, if I don't wanna post as much in thread it's not a problem it's me rather spending some of my time doing other things and you didn't make anyone feel worse about it except maybe nanook but that was for no reason tbh so you're fine

you are correct but also if you have lost place in this game it would be better for the game health if you played follower

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:16 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm Now I feel like I'm part of the issue for saying something.

I'm sorry.

there's no issue, if I don't wanna post as much in thread it's not a problem it's me rather spending some of my time doing other things and you didn't make anyone feel worse about it except maybe nanook but that was for no reason tbh so you're fine

you are correct but also if you have lost place in this game it would be better for the game health if you played follower

well I'm currently voting the top wagon so I guess I am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:17 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 pm Nobody is being toxic and the mood isn't even that bad. It's just unproductive.

Everyone knows HK needs to die.
Some people are town who think he probs flips town and don't understand or refuse to accept that it's just correct.
Those people are pushing onto players who aren't consensus suspects which is creating this talking past each other dialogue of which Nanook speaks.
I also get the impression that some of the posters who have the higher volume aren't actually reading posts at all and are just posting in sprees of live posting, picking out things to argue with or amplify and not thinking about things with an actual solving process. I've been guilty of that tbh.

idr if you've said anything but do you not care about the Visor NK? Why does HK need to die?

See this is what I mean. You're absolutely guilty of playing without reading the content. I've said multiple times that the Visor kill says nothing about HKs alignment. HK goes into any night chat assuming he dies d2 and all n1 kills exist to benefit the other two mafia either by removing a threat or locking his reads in place. HK is not the person who would have dictated that decision.

lmao what I'm literally catching up

Then you're just not reading my posts but also I don't see the benefit of getting into this with you. We are in repair the gamestate mode and Mac engaging Esooa back and forth on the subject of whether Esooa is doing the right thing isn't gonna repair anything lol.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:16 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm Now I feel like I'm part of the issue for saying something.

I'm sorry.

there's no issue, if I don't wanna post as much in thread it's not a problem it's me rather spending some of my time doing other things and you didn't make anyone feel worse about it except maybe nanook but that was for no reason tbh so you're fine

you are correct but also if you have lost place in this game it would be better for the game health if you played follower

well I'm currently voting the top wagon so I guess I am

okay whatever lol

It could be true that HK just figured he was dead and killed Visor not caring about it re:HK I suppose, I'll look at it more

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:14 pm @MacDougall what are ur current opinons of santy

I don't think santy is likely to be a hit. He has spent a lot of the game defending me which doesn't make sense for a wolf to be doing. He exists in certain worlds. I think even if you assume I'm a wolf it doesn't make sense for my partners to be shielding me as anyone who has wolfed with me will attest that my wolf methodology takes into consideration that I rarely ever endgame due to mac paranoia. I mix it up sometimes but as a default I don't let my partners speak up in defense of me.

Santy probably only exists as a wolf if HK is anyway no? If HK is town why is Santy voting me here and not Santy?

well I've got other things to do so I'm stopping at 3600 lmao

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:56 pm game is fine let's just kill scum and then party hard

Ew icky icky

I love parties

I say we lean into the toxicity and get middle school catty with each other

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:41 pm I say we lean into the toxicity and get middle school catty with each other

lol nobody even likes you

Oh I lost my post when I was doing cuz of some stupid refresh and now when I want to bring up the quotes a error jumps out so I lost the quotes. Lesgo me

Eh, it was something irt to sabi pairings that I could understand them . And like, also noticing that Jack approach I think should be something to take into account regardless of the alignment you think I am.

@Esooa main difference with Porscha and Lily is how many times we played and the trust I have in Lily reading me. Lily knows me more, I could understand them wavering in me bcuz being different D1. Now not so much

And I still dont feel like voting HK. Like regardless of what he flip people are going to sus me and its going to suck , cuz even if I see the arguments and I've been fighting them and denying it feels like the read is mostly confbiased there so just wowee

Also didnt like Esooa vote on me fwiw. But I am like almost feeling that its so uphill that is ut even worth the struggle of trying to solve? Specially when my death could break the status quo some players have regarding their reads and point about how some sussy players joined my wagon/let it happen? Weh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:41 pm I say we lean into the toxicity and get middle school catty with each other

lol nobody even likes you

Ur mom likes me alllll night

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:41 pm I say we lean into the toxicity and get middle school catty with each other

lol nobody even likes you

Ur mom likes me alllll night

my mum is dead corpsefucker

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